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(31,027 posts)Hekate
(90,708 posts)
from what he said.
I guess, from what I understood, this painter likes to paint a portrait to look like a photograph.
electric_blue68
(14,906 posts)in a photo studio shoot.
ailsagirl
(22,897 posts)Perfect
mopinko
(70,112 posts)rly?
Nevilledog
(51,112 posts)secondwind
(16,903 posts)Aristus
(66,380 posts)tblue37
(65,391 posts)question everything
(47,485 posts)I thought that these were the official portraits?
kskiska
(27,045 posts)Celerity
(43,399 posts)Celerity
(43,399 posts)question everything
(47,485 posts)for the National Gallery and other places?
Celerity
(43,399 posts)Americas Presidents
https://npg.si.edu/exhibition/americas-presidents-reopened
Americas Presidents is newly refurbished with improved lighting and paint, new labels and wall texts, and the addition of interactive touch screens that allow people to explore the context of each presidency and access other visual material. The new, entirely bilingual (English and Spanish) and accessible presentation includes extraordinary works of art, notably Gilbert Stuarts Lansdowne portrait of President George Washington.
Having designed a fresh exhibition layout for Americas Presidents, the Portrait Gallery has grouped the portraits into six historical chapters. Each of the first five sections is organized around a historical era and leads off with a presidential figure: Washington, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt and Franklin Delano Roosevelt, while a sixth section examines the more recent history of the presidency. Updated content provides visitors with improved ways to understand historical eventsboth national and internationalthat coincided with the respective Presidents time in office.
https://americaspresidents.si.edu/gallery
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LudwigPastorius
(9,150 posts)The McCurdy of Obama is just...bland.
And, the one of Michelle makes her look remote and aloof.
While they are realistic visual representations, I don't think either one captures their inner essence.
ShazzieB
(16,412 posts)Sorry, but it doesn't work for me. Love the dress but to me the face seems kind of wooden and not really "her." Skin tone seems off, too. To each their own, I guess.
I love both portraits of Obama and the WH one of Michelle.
spooky3
(34,456 posts)Of Michelle Obama.
barbtries
(28,798 posts)lobointexas
(85 posts)I was in Washington D.C. this summer, and we visited the National Portrait Gallery. Unfortunately, President Obama's portrait was not available because it was "on tour" at the time. I assumed it was the official portrait that was on tour and I was upset that I didn't get to see it.
Dorian Gray
(13,496 posts)at the Brooklyn museum last year. The write up about the symbolism in both was fascinating.
Hekate
(90,708 posts)allegorical oracle
(2,357 posts)msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)and elegant.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)mopinko
(70,112 posts)so, set him in SOME setting that at least ALLUDES to that. this is just malpractice. the art critics will be in a shooting war.
this is not the job where you do what you do. this is a commission and an important 1.
it's fing half done. and half baked.
Maraya1969
(22,482 posts)He fills out the entire canvass all by himself.
question everything
(47,485 posts)wnylib
(21,479 posts)allegorical oracle
(2,357 posts)William Seger
(10,778 posts)wnylib
(21,479 posts)mopinko
(70,112 posts)wnylib
(21,479 posts)next to portraits of other presidents might give a clue?
mopinko
(70,112 posts)esp a commission like this.
PlutosHeart
(1,280 posts)is going to be stunning in many ways. Am all in for his portrait. Fantastic statement.
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wnylib
(21,479 posts)Dignified and formal in his clothing and facial expression, informal and human in his pose.
A man whose dignity allows him to stand alone and stand out, without needing props.
Maraya1969
(22,482 posts)msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)electric_blue68
(14,906 posts)William Seger
(10,778 posts)Qutzupalotl
(14,313 posts)The only color in the portrait is his skin.
I would have gone with the tan suit, but that's why I'm not in politics.
William Seger
(10,778 posts)electric_blue68
(14,906 posts)mopinko
(70,112 posts)you have to have a recognizable style. but when it never changes, never wavers, there's no art there. it's mechanics.
not suitable for such a 1 of a kind human, imnsho.
mopinko
(70,112 posts)that's what he does.
William Seger
(10,778 posts)I was just responding to the post saying the background doesn't reflect Obama's historical significance. If nothing else, the style is unique among presidential portraits, which is fitting. Anyway, I rather like it.
electric_blue68
(14,906 posts)Volaris
(10,271 posts)mopinko
(70,112 posts)maybe that's why he was picked. i dont know.
mopinko
(70,112 posts)this kind of projection is crazy making.
lostnfound
(16,179 posts)mopinko
(70,112 posts)i still dont rly think it's art. i did find more about the guy. it's an arduous process, but he puts nothing of himself into it. that it is laborious just makes it more craft.
it will stand out, that's true. and he chose the guy. but i think his humility got the better of him.
whopis01
(3,514 posts)The lone black man standing in front of a white background.
The white shirt and white tie against the dark suit.
The lighting on face, strongly from one side.
I see the separation of white and black between him and the past behind him, along with a joining of both in his attire and lighting.
Personally, I think it is fantastic.
mopinko
(70,112 posts)that's all this guy does. maybe obama saw it that way, but dont credit the painter for that. it's all the guy knows.
whopis01
(3,514 posts)I'm not asking you to agree with it. I'm not deciding who should or who shouldn't get credit for it.
I'm just looking at a painting and expressing my thoughts about it.
All in all, I like the portrait. If you don't, that is just as valid as my opinion.
mopinko
(70,112 posts)since i am a painter myself. and since i appear to be the only one not on the bandwagon.
and yes, i do have an ax here. when men do this sort of thing it's high art, but women who do fiber, or anything similarly mechanical, it's not art at all.
the art world continues to be sexist, white male dominated, and of all things, art should be free of such.
obamanut2012
(26,079 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)PunkinPi
(4,875 posts)Grokenstein
(5,723 posts)It's not a blank background.
It's a white background.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)progressoid
(49,991 posts)Google his paintings but don't try to access the painter's website. It's down due to too much traffic.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)mopinko
(70,112 posts)it's craft, and lazy craft at that.
Bucky
(54,014 posts)It's an interesting choice. Personally I like the Kehinde Wiley portrait better. But the "consumed by shrubbery" look would be a lot more controversial hanging in the White House.
mopinko
(70,112 posts)i find it sorta sad that he chose to set himself in blankness instead of history.
Cartoonist
(7,317 posts)He's got a beautiful smile. The artist missed that.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)Cartoonist
(7,317 posts)tishaLA
(14,176 posts)the artist he chose doesn't.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)who believe in his goodness, his honesty, etc.
underpants
(182,823 posts)mopinko
(70,112 posts)or the kind you take to shop into another background.
jeez, i hate it.
how this painter likes to paint portraits. At least that is what I heard.
50 Shades Of Blue
(10,004 posts)Metaphorical
(1,603 posts)I think it's a very powerful portrait, and I'm not usually a big fan of portraiture.
Sanity Claws
(21,849 posts)Very modern and cool.
samnsara
(17,622 posts)ornotna
(10,801 posts)Very well done.
mopinko
(70,112 posts)i just checked a couple articles, and didnt see anything about him. i'll go look, but imho this is a bloody crime.
mopinko
(70,112 posts)this is the dude's schtick, so this is on whoever picked him.
but srsly dude, put a little wash, a little light, a little depth.
it's hard to sort cuz of the other 2 paintings.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)Celerity
(43,399 posts)You do realise that Obama himself had complete control over the whole process?
BTW, I LOVE the painting.
Like you said, each president has complete control over the artist and tone of their official portrait. Same with the First Lady.
I think it's magnificent. 😊
Celerity
(43,399 posts)babylonsister
(171,066 posts)artistic yet realistic.
mopinko
(70,112 posts)i dont see the artist at all.
at least he can paint from a photo, which a lot of ppl cant.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)It's not my favorite style. But imagine this portrait in situ in the WH. I'm thinking it will dominate its setting, and he will command attention.
"What I love about Robert's work is that he paints people exactly the way they are, for better or worse," Barack told a lively crowd after the unveiling. "You'll note that he refused to hide any of my gray hairs, refused my request to make my ears smaller. He also talked me out of wearing a tan suit."
Lol, I don't think so.
mopinko
(70,112 posts)so i experience it professionally. there's a lotta ppl out there who stick to a formula, and phone it in. this guy is 1.
it's the utter lack of insight or inspiration here. this isnt art. it's craft.
i get it he picked him, but i think his humility got the better of him.
that doesnt excuse this sterile, lazy bullshit.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)a shallow schtick, an artistic scam that fills a niche. I hope we'll see all their official portraits within a couple of years. Maybe it'll be more "wow" in person.
I wouldn't even consider the artist, though. I want paintings to offer something different, and my own humility would seek a little generosity from the artist too.
mopinko
(70,112 posts)and honestly, of how rotten that world is. to the core.
they teach you in art school that you have to be consistent, to have a style. too never offer disparate styles. which, ya know, it what i thought the point was.
guess it's why i didnt last.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)spouse springing one of THOSE on you.
It's always unfortunate when rigid thinking's in control, but in art! The opinions of office managers on staple placement have much less scope to stifle individuality (and in that sort of case maybe could do some rare good).
tman
(983 posts)Can't say I'm impressed.
Half of his face is in shadow. Is that supposed to be some type of symbolism? It doesn't do anything for me, but then I'm not usually consulted for White House portraits.
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)It will be as unique as a presidential portrait as Obama was as president.
IcyPeas
(21,884 posts)it all looks kind of grey to me. blah
https://npg.si.edu/podcasts/robert-mccurdy-portraits
here's a click through of all the presidential portraits:
https://www.whitehousehistory.org/galleries/presidential-portraits
mopinko
(70,112 posts)i didnt want to guess his color, but i sorta knew.
what.the.actual.fuck.
who picked this clown? i'm not a fan of photo realism, in general, but this just feels lazy.
i mean, i painted figures. i didnt love the background part of the job, they were minimal. but you just dont float a body in space and pretend there's any art in there anywhere. esp this man.
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)heir respective artists before leaving the White House"
Pres Obama seems to be a fan of his work
mopinko
(70,112 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,387 posts)really, few people care what art critics have to say about this piece. I know I dont.
mopinko
(70,112 posts)PlutosHeart
(1,280 posts)if you make the choice to focus upon the person encapsulated in a contained given space and use that as a narrative.
And perhaps that is why Obama chose him. The isolated aspect. The focus not on material items but on the person.
Imagine if one were to look at the artist's work you would end up comparing "how" he made decisions on each personality.
Everyone has different tastes of course. I think it was a particularly gutsy move to choose this portraitist. Especially when it will be hanging next to the others. To me "take a picture" is how I feel about normal portraits. But this....this is different.
mopinko
(70,112 posts)but the artist gets no credit for anything but cranking our 1 more edition of his usual.
ecstatic
(32,705 posts)Yeah, after viewing the other presidential photos, President Obama's portrait is a big wtf moment for me. I think there should have been more color but to each his/her own.
Abolishinist
(1,300 posts)The distance from the top of the painting to the subject's head, where he cuts the body off at the same point between the hips and the knees, the amount of 'whitespace' on each side of the person. The right side of the subject's face (from the viewer's perspective) in the light, and the left side in shadow. One really knows what to expect from him, for better or worse.
Lars39
(26,109 posts)It forces you to look at the man. The black man. I see sorrow and strength, regret and hope.
His character revealed by his face.
No distractions, just the man.
luvs2sing
(2,220 posts)Standing out with confidence on a sea of..whiteness. I love it.
demmiblue
(36,858 posts)I like it!
It also serves as a nice contrast to his portrait hanging in the National Portrait Gallery.
yellowdogintexas
(22,256 posts)Go look at the JFK portrait. It was criticized at the time because it was not traditional and didn't show his face. Mrs Kennedy approved it.
If President Obama had wanted a background there would be one..
IcyPeas
(21,884 posts)Abolishinist
(1,300 posts)Painted years after Kennedy's tragic death, the aesthetic of the painting was shaped by the president's widow, Jackie. "The only stipulation she made," Shikler told People in 1981, "was, I dont want him to look the way everybody else makes him look, with the bags under his eyes and that penetrating gaze. Im tired of that image.'"
Shikler turned to photographs of the late president to prepare the initial sketches, but he eventually choose an image of Ted Kennedy at his brother's grave, to serve as a loose inspiration for the work. According to People, "When Jackie saw the sketch, she chose it over several others at once. 'Lets do this one,'" she said.
But the style of the painting wasn't meant to evoke Kennedy's death.
"I painted him with his head bowed, not because I think of him as a martyr, but because I wanted to show him as a president who was a thinker," Mr. Shikler told The Washington Post in 1971. "A thinking president is a rare thing."
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I find it absolutely stunning.
suncat
(41 posts)i always thought this style was dumb. painting a photo. like the photog did the work, you put zero art into it, and i'm supposed to be impressed.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)And the white backgrond is going to make it pop againsnt others.
Captures the spark in his eyes.
FakeNoose
(32,639 posts)I'm afraid this white background will give the photo-shoppers an easy target. They won't even have to silhouette him because the work is already done. So I wish the artist had used some kind of official-looking background, just to make Obama look more "Presidential."
Even so, Obama is a great-looking man.
Cha
(297,275 posts)in our WH!!
suncat
(41 posts)he looks sad and both hands in his pockets seems odd, almost too casual.
It is really a very beautiful painting, it just doesn't seem to be right for this situation.
Or am I missing the point?
Oh, maybe ...
The whole painting in in grey scale, except his face... what does this mean? And the way his face is half in shadow makes me imagine that he is coming into the light... it is kind of exciting.
The more I reflect the more I really like it!
highplainsdem
(48,993 posts)The Third Doctor
(241 posts)Great work.
herding cats
(19,564 posts)He feels real, bearing the burden of the office yet persevering. Looking at us in the eyes, leading us as a peer and another human being, yet not above us.
Just my first impression.
stumpysbear
(138 posts)LoisB
(7,206 posts)Lunabell
(6,082 posts)The artist is so talented. Amazing.
Random Boomer
(4,168 posts)The Barack portrait looks like a photograph, which is not the point of a painted portrait. The depiction is supposed to be more interpretive and evocative of character, not just a detailed reproduction of their physical appearance. The portrait of Michelle is flat and just not the quality of painting I would expect for such a prominent occasion.
Not every portrait can be a John Singer Sargent, but they could get a lot closer to that standard than this.
Hekate
(90,708 posts)Arent we all thankful that the odious Trumps were too damn odious to even try?
DET
(1,323 posts)Just my uneducated opinion Baracks portrait looks fine, but it could have been better. I dont think that it really captures his personality, and I hate the dark shadows. The background doesnt bother me, especially since it does make him look stately. Michelles portrait is stunning. She looks absolutely beautiful. I noticed that Baracks portrait is much more photo realistic than Michelles. Why is that? Personally, I much prefer these paintings to the ones in the National Portrait Gallery.
happy feet
(869 posts)Doesn't capture his personality, warmness, caring...and I'm still bothered by the half shadow. Takes away from his face & eyes....
But, it's okay.
obamanut2012
(26,079 posts)Classy, minimalist background. Casual but professional. Chilled and intelligent.
LOVE.
tavernier
(12,389 posts)Michelles is amazing.
jmowreader
(50,559 posts)...that most of the people who see this are going to think it's a photograph. EXTREMELY impressive work.
When they get around to hanging the painting of the 45th president, it's going to look more like a mug shot.
Demovictory9
(32,457 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,692 posts)Couldn't be better.
SYFROYH
(34,170 posts)This is a legit issue with photographers and dark-skinned subjects.
Perhaps it is an artistic statement that I don't understand.
Hekate
(90,708 posts)Bluesaph
(703 posts)Michelle for president!
Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)So deep and reassuring.. after 4 years of the non stop whine all the Trumps do, I was about to lose my mind..
Oldtimeralso
(1,937 posts)Have him on standby for tfg!
Joinfortmill
(14,427 posts)MontanaMama
(23,319 posts)Just like the man himself.
Bev54
(10,052 posts)Demobrat
(8,980 posts)Especially Michelle. Neither one captures the essence IMO. He is warm and she is kind, and nothing of that comes through. Not my taste.
Torchlight
(3,341 posts)And simultaneously contrasts his foreground accomplishments against a minimalist background. I think the artist excelled at creating the effects of weariness, formality, sadness, care, happiness, casualness, and even a hint of mischievousness in one single gaze.
Harker
(14,019 posts)And behind us.
Scrivener7
(50,950 posts)Harker
(14,019 posts)My first was that it reminded me of a James Bama painting.
I'd be surprised were it not the artist's statement.
The tan suit might have been over the top, but I would've laughed with glee.
Scrivener7
(50,950 posts)Harker
(14,019 posts)I thought we'd collectively turned the corner with President Obama.
Turns out there's much yet to do.
Spazito
(50,349 posts)beautifully done, imo.
Cha
(297,275 posts)get enough of this! :
Scrivener7
(50,950 posts)sinkingfeeling
(51,457 posts)msfiddlestix
(7,282 posts)And Real Resemblance, no super man or jesus complex suggested in this work.
Rocknation
(44,576 posts)Last edited Mon Sep 12, 2022, 08:55 AM - Edit history (2)
There is one thing I can be grateful to Trump for -- keeping these away from the White House:
Rocknation
gademocrat7
(10,658 posts)Warpy
(111,267 posts)I understand why it's white. It speaks louder than words.
It's beautifully done.
Samrob
(4,298 posts)The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,607 posts)MerryBlooms
(11,770 posts)SlimJimmy
(3,180 posts)SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)Just as a thorn in the side of any republican who might visit the White House in the future. 😉
As the portrait exists, it's a magnificent representation of a handsome, intelligent, honest, determined, and dedicated African American man who lead our country for eight wonderful years.
I love it.
Celerity
(43,399 posts)SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)would be like trying to stitch 300 pounds of Jello into a 3 square foot piece of gauze. Even if you could do it, it's always going to look like crap and the Jello is always going to ooze out of every tiny hole there is.
The only thing Trump would look good in is a casket.
BComplex
(8,053 posts)Trump is a frump.
Hassler
(3,379 posts)Heather MC
(8,084 posts)ecstatic
(32,705 posts)to form a conclusion. However, in the absence of that info, it's obviously a nicely done painting. It captures his thoughtful personality, and maybe the weight that was on his shoulders... but I guess what's throwing me off is that 1/3 of his face is shadowed out.
PlutosHeart
(1,280 posts)What President or any politician does not have secrets or has little public information of all the things they actually enacted while in office. Nope. Good call I say.
onethatcares
(16,168 posts)that guy hiding in his jammies in NJ doesn't hold a straw to him..not a one.
UTUSN
(70,700 posts)onecaliberal
(32,861 posts)purr-rat beauty
(543 posts)But that is fucking amazing
If you read it left to right you see a figurine with it's shoulder forward, tense but determined, coming out of the darkness, his face shadowed with the light in his pupil being the brightest, a slight lowering of the lips which transitions into a black man most notably President Obama in light, a lift in his lips, his shoulder rested, and more comfortable with his place standing ahead of a blank white canvas. If this picture didn't intend to depict it, I see it and it's truly a masterpiece.
betsuni
(25,536 posts)My husband made me laugh by saying it should've been a version of "The Scream."
Emile
(22,776 posts)Niagara
(7,620 posts)This man is the epitome of elegance.
I can say the same about Michelle Obama's portrait as well.
Deb
(3,742 posts)it simply says everything about our man and his time
Danascot
(4,690 posts)why not use one of Pete Souza's great photographs? There's no rule that says it has to be a painting. In the McCurdy Obama just looks worn and tired. There's nothing of his optimism and energy there.
lark
(23,102 posts)Handler
(336 posts)in my photographers mind, photorealism belongs to the photographer. I envy painters in their ability to bring so much more of themselves to the image. I see little of that here. This is a grand image but I think it lacks soul.
Paladin
(28,262 posts)CanonRay
(14,103 posts)I'm not sure why. Don't like the white background, too stark. I don't think of him as a black and white guy.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Sane1
(96 posts)I do remember this one though, when Melania and Macron's wife viewed this portrait....
https://ibb.co/QHhLrfw
wendyb-NC
(3,327 posts)Like looking at a photograph, yet it brings out the essence of his heart, soul and spirit. He is so real, his sincere goodness and brilliant character shines through.
He is my favorite president, and I believe one of the best presidents in U.S. history.