Is it just me who thinks the most important questions are being ignored right now.

[Samrob]

Trump didn't get these documents on his own. He didn't have a clue where to look at first.

Who the fuck was the custodian(s) of the documents before Trump was given access to them? The documents just didn't float through the air to him.

From where did the documents originate? In other words, who prepared the docs?

Is what they found at Mar-a-logo originals or copies?

Who else was present when Trump was given first look at the documents?

Were these documents actually stolen by someone and then given to Trump?
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Seems to me that all TS docs should be transcribed on paper or media that has embedded tracking material that sets an alarm when outside a SCIFF

[Scrivener7]

1. This has been my question from the beginning. Because the answer points to people

still in place who could steal our most sensitive national secrets.

[cachukis]

2. You have to think your questions are no different than the smarts minds

of the investigators.
We have no choice but to trust them.
If WE decide that they are untrustworthy, then the comeuppance unfolds.
The unsmart are few, but noisy. The wallflowers are just that.
WE are the mountain movers. We didn't get this far by being unsmart wallflowers.
They will have their noise.
WE will return them to hiding like cicadas or grasshoppers. A pestilence, for sure, but just that, a pestilence.

[soldierant]

25. Yes. If the questions are sensitive, so will the answers be.

I have the questions too. But I am not expecting any answers to be public.

[Emile]

3. They are called "The Trump Crime Family"

for a reason.

[jmbar2]

4. Who was responsible for document control

I'm reading that in normal times, you need to be granted access to the most sensitive documents, they need to be viewed in SCIFs with no access to cameras, and the docs checked in and out with a responsible person.

What broke down? How did he get the documents out, away from the normal document security controls?

I haven't seen that discussed anywhere. Needs to be addressed and fixed.

[Solomon]

5. i was at a dinner party on Monday and said my question was something nobody seemed to be asking

which is how did he get the documents? I was lambasted like its a stupid question. Who and what process did he change which allowed him to get the documents? I want names and processes. It's not a stupid question but points to all sorts of evidence like intent and who else should be charged with crimes. I remember thinking, no wonder we can't get anywhere. Even some of the people on our side are stupid and uninformed.

[sop]

15. It's a good question.

Someone with top secret clearance made this stuff available to Trump, and then let him keep it. Surely there must be a record.

[maxsolomon]

27. the simplest explanation is that he just kept them after the briefing.

he was the president.

"sir, it's imperative that you read this document." "i'll look at it tonight." "YES SIR!"

he took them (or had his girl friday take them) to the private residence; threw them in a pile.

[purr-rat beauty]

6. Originates in a Comm Center

so yes, there are doors and windows and walls and cameras and clearances people need to be around these messages, who passed them on and to whom?

[usonian]

7. Classified documents are signed out.

Only Little Free Libraries on the street let you borrow stuff without signing it out.

THESE ARE CLASSIFIED FREAKIN DOCUMENTS.

And you've got three guesses as to who did so. Hint: rhymes with "Flynn". But that's just a guess.

If there was unaccounted access to them, that's a complete breakdown of protocol (no doubt, the law) and worthy of investigation.

As is the mishandling of them. DOD people are fanatical about document control. How this massive leak happened at all is bigger than all the espionage scandals put together. IMNSHO.

[Ponietz]

8. That requires investigation

and whether Agent Wray is working diligently to answer these questions is unknown, but there are ample reasons to doubt.

[BOSSHOG]

9. I spent a long time in the Navy

Classified documents were accounted for ALWAYS. I can’t understand how a chain of custody was broken IN THE FRIGGING WHITE HOUSE. Unless, of course it was Donald trumps White House.

I dreaded going anywhere near a SCiIFF, because they contained info I had a need to know, but also info I did not have a need to know.

[Cozmo]

10. I had the answer to this automatically, he surrounded himself with flunkies who would do his bidding

[Bread and Circuses]

11. Conspiracy of Confederates

RICO laws apply here. Probably 50 -100 people were involved in the espionage, conspiracy to overthrew the country

[onecaliberal]

12. Flynn did it. It was the first thing they did when the tick gained access to the oval.

I would bet money on it. Why do you think no one could attend or listen to meetings between the bloated tick and putrid?
There are several people who know exactly how it happened.

[gab13by13]

16. I think Kash Patal and John Solomon were the Gofers.

[onecaliberal]

20. Someone checked the docs out. If not, they were swiped.

[gab13by13]

13. I know someone who was around Trump most of the time,

his Chief of Staff Mark Meadows. However Trump got the documents, Meadows should know.

I want to know how the documents that are supposed to be in a safe in a SCIF made it to Mar-el-Loco? If those documents were requested by trump at the Oval Office then a "courier" brought them in a locked briefcase and the documents were signed out and when Trump was done with them they needed to be signed back in.

[merrifield]

14. I have a theory--shoot it down if needed.

I have wondered some of the same things those above have asked. How in the world was it missed when the documents weren't signed back in???? Is the system that porous? Wouldn't they have noticed these documents were not returned? That got me thinking that maybe the IC was on to Trump from the get-go and actually gave him phony documents. That might explain why they didn't seem to care about custody of them for almost a year and a half. Maybe they set a trap for Trump?

[gab13by13]

18. Pull bam.

[onecaliberal]

21. I would love that to be the case. Just don't think it is.

[Seinan Sensei]

17. Jared knew what was valuable

Stolen info = a $1.2 billion payday.

[gab13by13]

19. Wasn't it 2.1 billion?

[msfiddlestix]

22. To which I suggest: perhaps, just perhaps it might be good to have a sit down with Ratcliff?

Former U.S.Senator Ratcliff, a major traitorous asshole as a Senator, then appointed as DNI in the last year of the former freak's term.

I just think it might be a good idea. I never read any mention of him, either on this board or mentions in media postings

His hands are dirty and so is his motivations and agenda which was laid bare in the Senate.

So why isn't he considered as a potential major player in this affair of stolen national security documents?

That's my question that I think is being ignored.

[Jarqui]

23. I have a pretty good feeling we are going to find out

As he's going down, Trump will blame every one else to see if he can make any of it stick.

Nixon went through most of his staff trying to find someone to take the fall.
Trump will be more ruthless.
Nixon cared some about what people thought of him and how history would regard him.
Trump is incapable of such thoughts. There's only one person on the whole planet Trump cares about and he has little regard for history.

[SheltieLover]

24. Absofuckingloutely!

[Smackdown2019]

26. Remember when the Russians visited Trump in the oval office

Blah bing blah bong.......

Wondered what documents lefted to Moscow that day?

[Warpy]

28. who lugged them into the private apartment where more boxes wouldn't be noticed?

TFG's too out of shape and I can't see Melania risking a nail.

They need to get the whole nest of vipers in for questioning. They need to get the SS guys who were always present in for questioning.

This time, GOP crimes can't be simply swept under a rug. This is way too serious, especially since some of the intelligence data were on another country. I think our allies are going to be watching this very carefully.

[Samrob]

29. You know Trump didn't ask for the docs on his own. He was asked to ask for them by someone.

They should be able to match dates of document movement with visitors to both the WH and Mar-a-logo when Trump was in office.

[Meowmee]

30. No you are not the only one

I was just going to do an op on this and now I don’t have to.

Media and all are conveniently ignoring how top secret documents were removed from a room, when they are never allowed to be removed etc. No one notices it happening and that they are gone… no one says anything… it has to be a large conspiracy. So who else is involved? According to what we have been told people need security clearance to even enter these rooms and more.

They are ignoring in their efforts to excuse what he has done all of this and that this is automatically a crime.

And we know this was all going on the whole time he was in office most likely as well.

[fightforfreedom]

31. Meadows knows everything.

[kentuck]

32. In my opinion, when he saw a document, secret or otherwise, he knew if he wanted to keep it...

So he would carry it to the residence and put it in a box to be moved later.

He fought real hard for Jared Kushner to get his TS security clearance and the records show that Jared spent more time with the secret documents than anyone else in the White House. He was probably the major source for documents for Trump.

However, he did hire an incompetent out of the House to be the head of the ODNI, John Ratcliffe, and he had access to all the secret information from all the agencies. He would have had no problem giving Trump whatever he wanted.

Trump kept moving pieces around until had enough pieces to do his bidding and he did that with every Department. He did it with his Chief of Staff 5 times until he found Mark Meadows. He did it with his AGs until he found Bill Barr. He did it with his Secretary of Defense until he found Chris Miller. The failure was in Congress that permitted him to do it without any confirmation, most as "acting" Secretaries.