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303squadron

(545 posts)
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 08:33 AM Sep 2022

Edward VIII abdicated because he wanted to marry a divorcee

Now, UpChuck III, a well known fornicator, will be the Supreme Governor of the Church of England.

To terribly misquote the Beatles, "Now we know how many holes it takes to fill the House of Lords."

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Edward VIII abdicated because he wanted to marry a divorcee (Original Post) 303squadron Sep 2022 OP
I really don't care vlyons Sep 2022 #1
It was more than Wallis Spencer Simpson was a divorcee. no_hypocrisy Sep 2022 #2
Also reports that PCIntern Sep 2022 #7
Exactly. no_hypocrisy Sep 2022 #12
Yes and "other weird stuff " as well... PCIntern Sep 2022 #18
And by "supreme Governor" you mean "the guy who does whatever the PM tells him to"? brooklynite Sep 2022 #3
From his abdication speech 303squadron Sep 2022 #4
They were Nazi sympathizers. nycbos Sep 2022 #5
I heard a rumor that he was too friendly to the Nazis. NT raccoon Sep 2022 #6
more than a rumour Celerity Sep 2022 #17
Move on snowybirdie Sep 2022 #8
William and Harry are fine with Camilla, and the Queen came around eventually Freddie Sep 2022 #9
The prudishness of the royalty is a decidedly modern feature. Happy Hoosier Sep 2022 #10
Well said. BlackSkimmer Sep 2022 #15
Yes, it seems to get stricter for them as it gets more permissive in society in general treestar Sep 2022 #19
I don't care. Tommy Carcetti Sep 2022 #11
who cares JI7 Sep 2022 #13
"Fornicator"? BlackSkimmer Sep 2022 #14
I know... I have only ever heard that term from street preqachers! Happy Hoosier Sep 2022 #20
Just finished a book - "Traitor King - The Scandalous Exile kskiska Sep 2022 #16
IMHO, they make up these "rules" as they go along Retrograde Sep 2022 #21

no_hypocrisy

(46,130 posts)
2. It was more than Wallis Spencer Simpson was a divorcee.
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 08:39 AM
Sep 2022

She kept questionable company (Germans) and was known to have loose lips. She couldn't be trusted with being so close to the monarchy.

Not to mention that it was reported that she was sterile and couldn't produce an heir.

no_hypocrisy

(46,130 posts)
12. Exactly.
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 09:27 AM
Sep 2022

It's pretty clear that if Edward (a/k/a David) got on the throne, he'd be ruling by Wallis' decree, not by the advice of his prime minister and cabinet and government.

She'd have surrendered to Germany.

303squadron

(545 posts)
4. From his abdication speech
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 08:45 AM
Sep 2022

"But you must believe me when I tell you that I have found it impossible to carry the heavy burden of responsibility and to discharge my duties as King as I would wish to do without the help and support of the woman I love."

Happy Hoosier

(7,315 posts)
10. The prudishness of the royalty is a decidedly modern feature.
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 09:17 AM
Sep 2022

Need I point out that the C of E was founded by Henry VIII?

History is rarely neat.

The pearl-clutching here is remarkable.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
19. Yes, it seems to get stricter for them as it gets more permissive in society in general
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 11:05 AM
Sep 2022

Charles is a piker compared to Henry VIII. Edward IV did get to marry a woman he loved, still later had mistresses (a major womanizer). Henry I had many illegitimate children, but only two by his wife, and when his son died unexpectedly early, had a succession crisis created - he needed to spend more of his nights with his wife to have a male spare. George IV didn't like his wife, so had one daughter with her and then went back to his mistress. A daughter was enough by then. Amazing Edward VIII didn't just keep Wallis as a mistress.

But now we have Charles expected to either abdicate or not marry someone based on not quite being in love with her, when there was still pressure then about who he'd marry.

kskiska

(27,045 posts)
16. Just finished a book - "Traitor King - The Scandalous Exile
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 10:14 AM
Sep 2022

of the Duke and Duchess of Windsor" by Andrew Lownie. Edward was of the opinion that the U.K. should ally themselves to Germany to avoid the war. He spoke fluent German and was quite close to Ribbentrop and other Nazis who would have removed his brother, George VI, and re-installed Edward on the throne. All that ended when Pearl Harbor was attacked and the U.S. entered the war. Loads of documents were recovered in Germany after the war that proves what the plans were. At any rate, he was totally unfit to be king.

Retrograde

(10,137 posts)
21. IMHO, they make up these "rules" as they go along
Fri Sep 9, 2022, 02:40 PM
Sep 2022

as treestar points out, other British monarchs had not problems with keeping mistresses and being Supreme Governor of the CofE - Edward VIII's grandfather Edward VII, for example, in the early 1900s.

By the 1930s, the power held by the British monarch had greatly declined and the Prime Minister called the shots. The Prime Minister and his party had a lot of problems with Edward VIII aside from his girlfriend, and per a recent bio of George V, Edward didn't much want to be king in the first place. So "can't marry a divorcee" became a convenient excuse.

(Actually, looking back on the English and British monarchs, "well-known fornicator" seems to have been a job requirement for the males)

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