Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump presented his Russia hoax theory to a court. It went poorly.
Link to tweet
Tweet text:
Philip Bump
@pbump
·
Follow
Donald Trump and his friends spent years cultivating a theory about the Russia probe in the safety of their conversational universe.
Then he brought it out into the real world and showed it to a judge and the judge laughed at it and stomped on it.
washingtonpost.com
Analysis | Trump presented his Russia hoax theory to a court. It went poorly.
Perhaps the theory should have been kept in the media bubble where it originated and thrived.
9:26 AM · Sep 9, 2022
Philip Bump
@pbump
·
Follow
Donald Trump and his friends spent years cultivating a theory about the Russia probe in the safety of their conversational universe.
Then he brought it out into the real world and showed it to a judge and the judge laughed at it and stomped on it.
washingtonpost.com
Analysis | Trump presented his Russia hoax theory to a court. It went poorly.
Perhaps the theory should have been kept in the media bubble where it originated and thrived.
9:26 AM · Sep 9, 2022
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/09/trump-2016-russia-clinton/
No paywall
https://archive.ph/xgpT2
One of the hallmarks of Donald Trumps tenure in American politics has been the extent to which he remained cocooned in his own world.
As president, that was often literal: He moved from the White House to his properties to tightly controlled events and to boisterous political rallies, rarely coming across critics or skeptics. It was also true of his presence in the public conversation. He had his Twitter universe and his Fox News conversations and he was content. Outsiders would peek in and report on what he was doing and saying and how it was received, but with a Star-Trek like result: There was no observable impact on the universe being watched.
It was a rhetorical terrarium, self-contained and self-sufficient. An ecosystem where nonsense thrived and spread, where conspiracy theories competed Darwinistically for dominance. So his vague dismissals of the Russia investigation as a hoax in early 2017 had, by 2021, become complicated organisms, vines stretching and intertwining throughout the pro-Trump media universe.
And then, earlier this year, a change. Trump proudly removed his Russia theory from its home and presented it to the court, like a kid digging up a dandelion hed been watching in his yard and offering it as a horticulture contender at the state fair. The verdict, offered in a filing on Thursday, was probably not what Trump would have hoped.
Suffice it to say, he did not earn a blue ribbon.
*snip*
InfoView thread info, including edit history
TrashPut this thread in your Trash Can (My DU » Trash Can)
BookmarkAdd this thread to your Bookmarks (My DU » Bookmarks)
3 replies, 1619 views
ShareGet links to this post and/or share on social media
AlertAlert this post for a rule violation
PowersThere are no powers you can use on this post
EditCannot edit other people's posts
ReplyReply to this post
EditCannot edit other people's posts
Rec (23)
ReplyReply to this post
3 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Trump presented his Russia hoax theory to a court. It went poorly. (Original Post)
Nevilledog
Sep 2022
OP
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,321 posts)1. Why Trump World is suddenly focused anew on the Russia scandal
The Senate intelligence committee found that Russia interfered with the 2016 election but TFG and his supporters want to rewrite history and pretend that Putin did not help elect TFG
Link to tweet
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trump-world-suddenly-focused-anew-russia-scandal-rcna45243?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma
To be sure, on the surface, this isnt altogether new. Republicans were eager to dismiss, discredit and disregard the Russia scandal since its origins, largely out of partisan necessity: The truth was a disaster for Trump and his political operation, so their allies set out to assure Americans that we need not trust our lying eyes.
But the matter has taken on new urgency in recent weeks, as the former president faces an intensifying scandal over classified materials he brought to his glorified country club and didnt want to give back. The implicit pitch from Trump and his allies is far from subtle: Sure, federal law enforcement is investigating a series of possible felonies, and sure, it looks like the former president is in real legal jeopardy. But the Justice Department took the Russia scandal seriously, too......
But for everyone else, now seems like a good time to review five core truths about the Russia scandal.
Russia attacked the American elections in 2016
Every U.S. intelligence agency and lawmakers from both parties have long agreed that the Kremlin launched an expansive and expensive covert military intelligence operation that targeted the U.S. political system in 2016. This basic fact is no longer contested except by Trump, who publicly declared that he found Vladimir Putin more reliable than his own administrations officials and its importance is too often overlooked.
Russias goal was to put Trump in power
The Kremlins operation was not politically neutral: Moscow attacked our elections in the hopes of helping dictate the outcome. According to the findings of U.S. intelligence agencies, the Mueller investigation, and the multi-step investigation from the GOP-led Senate Intelligence Committee, Russia saw Trump as a prospective ally and believed it would be in its interests if the Republican were in the White House.
Russia and Team Trump were political allies
As regular readers know, investigations from Special Counsel Robert Muellers team and the GOP-led Senate Intelligence Committee documented the extent to which Trump and his team welcomed, received, and benefited from Russian campaign assistance. (They also obstructed the investigation into this assistance by some measures, 10 times.)
The evidence also showed there was coordination and high-level connections between Trumps political operation and those responsible for the attack on our elections. The Senate Intelligence Committees report at one point literally described a direct tie between senior Trump Campaign officials and the Russian intelligence services.
Team Trump lied about its communications with Russia
No, really, Team Trump lied about its communications with Russia. A lot. Out loud and on record. Over and over again, Trump and his spokespersons insisted there were absolutely no interactions between the Republican, his political operation, and their Russian benefactors. We now know definitively that they were lying though they still havent been forthcoming about why.
The Russia scandal led to a series of felony convictions and prison sentences
For an alleged hoax, the Russia scandal led to an amazing number of federal prosecutions. In fact, the investigation the one Lowry derided as a national fiasco led to the convictions of, among others, Trumps White House national security advisor, campaign chairman, deputy campaign chairman, foreign policy advisor, personal lawyer, and to the indictment of 13 Russian nationals who interfered in our elections as part of the larger plot.
But the matter has taken on new urgency in recent weeks, as the former president faces an intensifying scandal over classified materials he brought to his glorified country club and didnt want to give back. The implicit pitch from Trump and his allies is far from subtle: Sure, federal law enforcement is investigating a series of possible felonies, and sure, it looks like the former president is in real legal jeopardy. But the Justice Department took the Russia scandal seriously, too......
But for everyone else, now seems like a good time to review five core truths about the Russia scandal.
Russia attacked the American elections in 2016
Every U.S. intelligence agency and lawmakers from both parties have long agreed that the Kremlin launched an expansive and expensive covert military intelligence operation that targeted the U.S. political system in 2016. This basic fact is no longer contested except by Trump, who publicly declared that he found Vladimir Putin more reliable than his own administrations officials and its importance is too often overlooked.
Russias goal was to put Trump in power
The Kremlins operation was not politically neutral: Moscow attacked our elections in the hopes of helping dictate the outcome. According to the findings of U.S. intelligence agencies, the Mueller investigation, and the multi-step investigation from the GOP-led Senate Intelligence Committee, Russia saw Trump as a prospective ally and believed it would be in its interests if the Republican were in the White House.
Russia and Team Trump were political allies
As regular readers know, investigations from Special Counsel Robert Muellers team and the GOP-led Senate Intelligence Committee documented the extent to which Trump and his team welcomed, received, and benefited from Russian campaign assistance. (They also obstructed the investigation into this assistance by some measures, 10 times.)
The evidence also showed there was coordination and high-level connections between Trumps political operation and those responsible for the attack on our elections. The Senate Intelligence Committees report at one point literally described a direct tie between senior Trump Campaign officials and the Russian intelligence services.
Team Trump lied about its communications with Russia
No, really, Team Trump lied about its communications with Russia. A lot. Out loud and on record. Over and over again, Trump and his spokespersons insisted there were absolutely no interactions between the Republican, his political operation, and their Russian benefactors. We now know definitively that they were lying though they still havent been forthcoming about why.
The Russia scandal led to a series of felony convictions and prison sentences
For an alleged hoax, the Russia scandal led to an amazing number of federal prosecutions. In fact, the investigation the one Lowry derided as a national fiasco led to the convictions of, among others, Trumps White House national security advisor, campaign chairman, deputy campaign chairman, foreign policy advisor, personal lawyer, and to the indictment of 13 Russian nationals who interfered in our elections as part of the larger plot.
crickets
(25,981 posts)2. Ah, that was a pleasure to read. nt
Duppers
(28,125 posts)3. K & R