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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFarmers have positioned their tractors to form a guard of honour for the late Queen Elizabeth II as
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Lonestarblue
(10,078 posts)Demsrule86
(68,689 posts)born late in life...so I never admired the UK. I don't understand why a system that colonized and destroyed people (remember the potato famine?) is idolized at this point. They arrested the Irish and held them for decades without any charges. Their wonderful justice system wasn't used in Ireland. Free Ireland is still a member of the EU and there are jobs. What will happen to UK and Northern Ireland...they can't even feed their people and the new conservative PM considers tax cuts her most important job and now favors Brexit. Where will the people in Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales, and England find jobs? Despite the dreadful history, I feel bad for the people of the UK. I do not believe in monarchial forms of government either, but surely the worst is the figurehead monarch who does nothing and lives a super-rich life.
pnwmom
(108,995 posts)Sympthsical
(9,120 posts)I'm 100% Irish - I can trace both sides of my family back to famine immigration. I often refer to myself as Potato People.
Honestly, I'm over what the British did. I don't know how far back in history we should reach to find complaint, but I just can't rummage personal offense or personal stakes in things that happened long before my birth. I worry about what is done here and now, because it's the only thing we can have any affect on.
I'm saddened by the queen's death. Not because I idolize her. I don't care about the royal family (I could easily go the rest of my life without hearing about any of them). However, she was given a job she didn't expect, and she gave her life to doing that job without complaint. No matter what was happening in the country, she served. People focus on the wealth and the privilege, but being unable to express oneself, to live authentically, to pursue and experience privacy or partiality is its own kind of hell.
I admire the job she did and the dedication she showed in doing it. She was not emotive in an era where I think people mistake emotion for credibility. Our society is getting a little creepily North Korea-ish with its forced emoting as social signalling, so maybe I just enjoy its opposite in someone like her.
I think it's also hard for people who are not British to understand. I lived over there for a time, and she has largely been seen as the country's ever-present grandmother. Like the monarchy or not, her death leaves a hole in national presence, the ineffable and ungraspable element of national psyche that people in every country feel to some degree whether it be good or bad.
It's a sad moment. It will be over soon. People will move on.
We have our own presences in our lives. Look at the howling that results whenever some cable news figure is absent or gone or fired or retired or what have you. The CNN complaining has gone on and on and on (and on). But a historic moment of the longest reigning monarch in the Anglosphere dying is just too much for these same people to bear.
Americans worship celebrity and power and wealth just like any other country. Yes, us too. We like the powerful and the famous who we perceive to be on our side. Look at the complaints (and other actions) when some think their political favorite is getting insufficient adoration. There are figures from our side that I find it downright bizarre to insert and obsess over to the degree that we do.
The complaints lack in self-awareness, IMO. Humans are gonna human. Just because it's not directed to personal taste matters not at all. It costs me nothing to not care about eight billion things that are splashed across my eyes everyday.
Sometimes I get the impression people really have gotten the notion that all things in life must be tailored to their every mood and whim, and when they are not, it is a moment of greatest unholy indignation.
The greatest fantasy I've ever had shattered was that, once an adult, I would be living in a world of other adults. This prolonged eternal emotional adolescence is absolutely wearying.
Raine
(30,540 posts)I totally agree.
catchnrelease
(1,945 posts)pazzyanne
(6,557 posts)Happy Hoosier
(7,392 posts)Lots of Irish on my Dads side and a little English. All German on my Moms side. Lots to be ashamed of in my heritage, but heres the thing . Im not ashamed of all that history and culture. If some folks feel the need to repudiate every vestige of a history and culture that had some deplorable elements, fine. I dont and refuse to feel bad about it. For me, its about the role those elements play now.
calimary
(81,500 posts)Agreed!
And very well put. Thanks, Sympthsical!
secondwind
(16,903 posts)ananda
(28,876 posts)On Thursday, I was talking to a bridge friend about how I
don't like royalty or the British royal family. I have an
issue with people getting undeserved wealth and estime.
He said, I agree. I'm Irish.
I said: same. My ancestors came over here in 1849 due
to the potato famine.
After I watched the McGann movie on that era, I really
understood how horrible the Brits were to the Irish.
Karadeniz
(22,573 posts)LisaM
(27,832 posts)It reminded me of a service I went to a few years ago for a guy who used to own a gravel and cement company. They brought their cement mixers and pointed the cabs downward in recognition. It was very moving and I was immediately reminded of that tribute.
It it's good enough for Scottish farmers, it's good enough for me.