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Baitball Blogger

(46,761 posts)
Mon Sep 12, 2022, 02:41 PM Sep 2022

The conventional wisdom in this country is all wrong.

The current breed of Republicans operate on a belief system so wrong and warped that it continues to drive this country into deadends. It all stems from the theory that downsizing and deregulating government will create less burden on the taxpayer and business people, and, like magic, everyone will thrive in a country with easy access to clean water, affordable energy, housing etc.

Where they go wrong: Money is an incentive. It has always been an incentive. And you would think that people who promote Capitalism would know this. But consider for a moment that Republicans originated from the business sector before they infested and poisoned the government process -- you follow that trail and it becomes clear that their own true specialty is blaming everyone else but themselves when everything goes south.

Let's start by looking closely at what has happened to the labor force in fifty years. Today, all baby boomer-aged managers are blaming Millennials for poor work ethics, when in reality, the Millennials are the workforce that a degraded and imbalanced Capitalist system inspired and created. Money was always used an incentive. When did we forget that fact? Did everyone suddenly forget that our labor force remained loyal to their corporations until they retired at an old, ripe age. The allure was job security that helped everyone plan their lives; and pensions that would pad the retirement years.

The Millennials don't have those incentives. They know the truth about today's workforce. If they want to advance in promotion and salaries, they have to be prepared to jump ship often. And they are responsible for their own retirement plans. There is no point in remaining loyal as a cog in a wheel, because there's no huge pay-off at the end of their careers. Loyalty only turns them into an exploited victim of these economic times. And shame on their baby-boomer aged managers for blaming them for responding to a system that the boomers helped to create, each time they voted for Republican policies.

As long as they continue to ignore this connection between salaries, pensions and a stable workforce, we're just going to end up with two sides that are not listening to each other.

And in light of that lesson unlearned, we have Republicans now saying they're going after military benefits and pensions. Yeah, because the lesson of Putin's underpaid army defecting at the front lines isn't a strong enough message.

Well, I always wondered how many conservatives would stop flocking to the military if there was no money in it. I guess I'm going to find out. I never worried about the Democrats. I met enough good public servants to know they would continue to enlist for all the right reasons. Which, sadly, will only make them a target for further exploitation.

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The conventional wisdom in this country is all wrong. (Original Post) Baitball Blogger Sep 2022 OP
My own wisdom: Too many people at the top are super PIGS. Brainfodder Sep 2022 #1
A total tragedy of the commons. Baitball Blogger Sep 2022 #2
Yup, gross AF & sad AF at the same time. Brainfodder Sep 2022 #6
Good post. But I'm a Democrat baby-boomer and I fed at the trough also. erronis Sep 2022 #3
erronis, I think you mean you're a Democratic boomer. The term "Democrat" as an adjective was coined Martin68 Sep 2022 #9
Right you are. I was thinking as I was typing but my fingers are faster than my brain. erronis Sep 2022 #10
Thanks. Martin68 Sep 2022 #19
Why don't liberal companies bring back pension plans? jimfields33 Sep 2022 #4
What's a liberal company? WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #17
Well stated op Johnny2X2X Sep 2022 #5
Cons who say "Run govt like a biz" don't know that successful biz always INVESTS in PEOPLE Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2022 #7
Part of it is the focus on short-term profits TheRealNorth Sep 2022 #12
My point is smart CEOs *do* care about their employees. Stupid CONs think people are expendable. nt Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2022 #14
Republicans join the military for different reasons. Some do because it is a family tradition. Martin68 Sep 2022 #8
Imagine the irony. Conservative MAGAs are getting worked up about Gavin Newsom texting everyone Baitball Blogger Sep 2022 #13
Trickle-down worked wonderfully for the 1%. Not so much for people who actually work. Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2022 #11
Well yeah, because nothing ever trickled down .. it was all a hoax FakeNoose Sep 2022 #15
Jobs are created by consumers, Mr.Bill Sep 2022 #16
Couldn't Agree More RobinA Sep 2022 #18

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
1. My own wisdom: Too many people at the top are super PIGS.
Mon Sep 12, 2022, 02:53 PM
Sep 2022

If I had B dollars, after I buy everything I want, still at B, hmmm what to do.

How much to convert... into affordable housing? [Still income, don't corporatize it]

How much to convert... into affordable daycare right next to that affordable housing? [Still income, don't corporatize it]

Too much is lowest bidder in this country and not taking stock of the quality?

LOOKING AT YOU FAILING INFRASTRUCTURE, some of which 100+ years old?

Desalinization, some best effort here? [Still income, don't corporatize it]

Obscenely rich assholes taking people for joy rides in space for profit, yeah how about other priorities?
OINK! OINK!

Baitball Blogger

(46,761 posts)
2. A total tragedy of the commons.
Mon Sep 12, 2022, 02:56 PM
Sep 2022

If there is no one to guard the borders of the commons for all to benefit, it eventually gets usurped by the greediest.

Same thing with laying out infra-structure to sustain a country of over 350,000,000.

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
6. Yup, gross AF & sad AF at the same time.
Mon Sep 12, 2022, 03:24 PM
Sep 2022

Human flaws exposed.

Thanks to the flaws, looks like Mother Earth is going to clear us out sooner rather than later?

But instead of hedonism, some get: NO YOU MAY NOT HAVE ACCESS TO A PRIVATE, SAFE, AND EASY ABORTION!

Meanwhile which party has the actual: FAMILY VALUES deficit?



I would kick in some on a kickstarter to buy the Republicans: SOME SHAME!









erronis

(15,370 posts)
3. Good post. But I'm a Democrat baby-boomer and I fed at the trough also.
Mon Sep 12, 2022, 02:58 PM
Sep 2022

There was good money to be made working for the big corps and the defense contractors. Many of us looked at the (r)epuglicon leadership (and neo-liberal too) with distaste while continuing our contracts, etc.

Martin68

(22,898 posts)
9. erronis, I think you mean you're a Democratic boomer. The term "Democrat" as an adjective was coined
Mon Sep 12, 2022, 04:15 PM
Sep 2022

by the right to separate the concept of democracy from name of the Democratic Party.

erronis

(15,370 posts)
10. Right you are. I was thinking as I was typing but my fingers are faster than my brain.
Mon Sep 12, 2022, 04:20 PM
Sep 2022

I'm a Democrat. I'm a Democratic boomer.

I'm against almost anything that the current manifestation of the (r)epuglicon party is espousing.

I think any decent (R)epublicans have died or fled. The rest are living in fear of the various forms of tea-parties, maggats, trumpers, RWNJs, racists, putin-loving anti-democracy scum.

There - hope this works.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,453 posts)
17. What's a liberal company?
Mon Sep 12, 2022, 07:13 PM
Sep 2022

Companies that administer pensions hold the risk, which is why they don't do it much. That, and pensions are expensive. At least, how they're all structured now.

Johnny2X2X

(19,137 posts)
5. Well stated op
Mon Sep 12, 2022, 03:13 PM
Sep 2022

People work hard for their futures, if your employer doesn't give you a chance at a future, you'll look elsewhere.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,047 posts)
7. Cons who say "Run govt like a biz" don't know that successful biz always INVESTS in PEOPLE
Mon Sep 12, 2022, 03:36 PM
Sep 2022

When you do things like guaranteed healthcare, you get big economic dividends, as just one example.

Everywhere in communities that a basic income plus an apartment has been given to people needing it, the communities have thrived.

It is the blind moralism of cons who think giving people things, even basic necessities (food, shelter, healthcare), is immoral and promotes crime, ... it is that moralism that blinds them to helping people who need it, you know, like real christians do.

TheRealNorth

(9,500 posts)
12. Part of it is the focus on short-term profits
Mon Sep 12, 2022, 04:30 PM
Sep 2022

CEO's don't care about 10 years from now, they are looking for what can boost profitability in the next year.

Martin68

(22,898 posts)
8. Republicans join the military for different reasons. Some do because it is a family tradition.
Mon Sep 12, 2022, 04:13 PM
Sep 2022

Others enlist because they are authoritarian by nature and they want the power of bearing arms in a war zone. Military service is also a stepping stone to a career with the police, and we all know why authoritarians are drawn to that field. However, most educated Republicans (a distinct minority) go into business or law/politics to make money and gain power.

Baitball Blogger

(46,761 posts)
13. Imagine the irony. Conservative MAGAs are getting worked up about Gavin Newsom texting everyone
Mon Sep 12, 2022, 05:00 PM
Sep 2022

to conserve power for one day, and in contrast, the Republicans in Congress are going to ask them to take cuts in military pensions and benefits.

Oh, how I laughed.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,464 posts)
11. Trickle-down worked wonderfully for the 1%. Not so much for people who actually work.
Mon Sep 12, 2022, 04:28 PM
Sep 2022
Dear Republicans: We Tried Your Way and It Does Not Work (a thread)

[ ... ]

17/ Republicans told us if we just cut the top tax rate on the morbidly rich from the 74% it was at in 1980 down to 27% it would “trickle down” benefits to everybody else as, they said, the “job creators” would be unleashed on our economy.

18/ Instead of a more general prosperity, we’ve now ended up with the greatest wealth and income inequality in the world, as over $50 trillion was transferred over 40 years from the bottom 90% to the top 1%, where it remains to this day.

19/ The middle class has gone from over 60% of us to fewer than half of us. It now takes 2 full-time wage earners to sustain the same lifestyle one could in 1980.

[ ... ]

FakeNoose

(32,787 posts)
15. Well yeah, because nothing ever trickled down .. it was all a hoax
Mon Sep 12, 2022, 06:49 PM
Sep 2022

Reagan told many private jokes about it, and none of his people ever believed a word of it. BUT they all got super-mega-wealthy because of it. We paid our taxes and made them rich, and they never even thanked us for it.

RobinA

(9,896 posts)
18. Couldn't Agree More
Mon Sep 12, 2022, 07:20 PM
Sep 2022

I'm a younger Boomer, so I've watched the diehard company loyalists get decimated, and I've rolled my eyes at my millennial office mate when she leaves at 1p because she "just isn't feeling it today." But I can't really blame her. Her kids aren't going to find her hanging from a beam in their garage after being laid off.

I work for state government, went there specifically for the pension. When I got there in 2008 the institutional memory was incredible. Most people older than I have retired now. They've gotten rid of the pension for new employees, and guess what? Now they can't get staff and the people they do get don't stay. Why should they? It's government. Working conditions suck, your phone is 50 years old, and the money is the same or better elsewhere. And the pension that used to help keep people despite that crap is gone, gone, gone for newcomers. I'm not feelin' it either.

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