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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe conventional wisdom in this country is all wrong.
The current breed of Republicans operate on a belief system so wrong and warped that it continues to drive this country into deadends. It all stems from the theory that downsizing and deregulating government will create less burden on the taxpayer and business people, and, like magic, everyone will thrive in a country with easy access to clean water, affordable energy, housing etc.
Where they go wrong: Money is an incentive. It has always been an incentive. And you would think that people who promote Capitalism would know this. But consider for a moment that Republicans originated from the business sector before they infested and poisoned the government process -- you follow that trail and it becomes clear that their own true specialty is blaming everyone else but themselves when everything goes south.
Let's start by looking closely at what has happened to the labor force in fifty years. Today, all baby boomer-aged managers are blaming Millennials for poor work ethics, when in reality, the Millennials are the workforce that a degraded and imbalanced Capitalist system inspired and created. Money was always used an incentive. When did we forget that fact? Did everyone suddenly forget that our labor force remained loyal to their corporations until they retired at an old, ripe age. The allure was job security that helped everyone plan their lives; and pensions that would pad the retirement years.
The Millennials don't have those incentives. They know the truth about today's workforce. If they want to advance in promotion and salaries, they have to be prepared to jump ship often. And they are responsible for their own retirement plans. There is no point in remaining loyal as a cog in a wheel, because there's no huge pay-off at the end of their careers. Loyalty only turns them into an exploited victim of these economic times. And shame on their baby-boomer aged managers for blaming them for responding to a system that the boomers helped to create, each time they voted for Republican policies.
As long as they continue to ignore this connection between salaries, pensions and a stable workforce, we're just going to end up with two sides that are not listening to each other.
And in light of that lesson unlearned, we have Republicans now saying they're going after military benefits and pensions. Yeah, because the lesson of Putin's underpaid army defecting at the front lines isn't a strong enough message.
Well, I always wondered how many conservatives would stop flocking to the military if there was no money in it. I guess I'm going to find out. I never worried about the Democrats. I met enough good public servants to know they would continue to enlist for all the right reasons. Which, sadly, will only make them a target for further exploitation.
Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)If I had B dollars, after I buy everything I want, still at B, hmmm what to do.
How much to convert... into affordable housing? [Still income, don't corporatize it]
How much to convert... into affordable daycare right next to that affordable housing? [Still income, don't corporatize it]
Too much is lowest bidder in this country and not taking stock of the quality?
LOOKING AT YOU FAILING INFRASTRUCTURE, some of which 100+ years old?
Desalinization, some best effort here? [Still income, don't corporatize it]
Obscenely rich assholes taking people for joy rides in space for profit, yeah how about other priorities?
OINK! OINK!
Baitball Blogger
(46,761 posts)If there is no one to guard the borders of the commons for all to benefit, it eventually gets usurped by the greediest.
Same thing with laying out infra-structure to sustain a country of over 350,000,000.
Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)Human flaws exposed.
Thanks to the flaws, looks like Mother Earth is going to clear us out sooner rather than later?
But instead of hedonism, some get: NO YOU MAY NOT HAVE ACCESS TO A PRIVATE, SAFE, AND EASY ABORTION!
Meanwhile which party has the actual: FAMILY VALUES deficit?
I would kick in some on a kickstarter to buy the Republicans: SOME SHAME!
erronis
(15,370 posts)There was good money to be made working for the big corps and the defense contractors. Many of us looked at the (r)epuglicon leadership (and neo-liberal too) with distaste while continuing our contracts, etc.
Martin68
(22,898 posts)by the right to separate the concept of democracy from name of the Democratic Party.
erronis
(15,370 posts)I'm a Democrat. I'm a Democratic boomer.
I'm against almost anything that the current manifestation of the (r)epuglicon party is espousing.
I think any decent (R)epublicans have died or fled. The rest are living in fear of the various forms of tea-parties, maggats, trumpers, RWNJs, racists, putin-loving anti-democracy scum.
There - hope this works.
Martin68
(22,898 posts)jimfields33
(16,003 posts)Youd think that would be number one on the list.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,453 posts)Companies that administer pensions hold the risk, which is why they don't do it much. That, and pensions are expensive. At least, how they're all structured now.
Johnny2X2X
(19,137 posts)People work hard for their futures, if your employer doesn't give you a chance at a future, you'll look elsewhere.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)When you do things like guaranteed healthcare, you get big economic dividends, as just one example.
Everywhere in communities that a basic income plus an apartment has been given to people needing it, the communities have thrived.
It is the blind moralism of cons who think giving people things, even basic necessities (food, shelter, healthcare), is immoral and promotes crime, ... it is that moralism that blinds them to helping people who need it, you know, like real christians do.
TheRealNorth
(9,500 posts)CEO's don't care about 10 years from now, they are looking for what can boost profitability in the next year.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)Martin68
(22,898 posts)Others enlist because they are authoritarian by nature and they want the power of bearing arms in a war zone. Military service is also a stepping stone to a career with the police, and we all know why authoritarians are drawn to that field. However, most educated Republicans (a distinct minority) go into business or law/politics to make money and gain power.
Baitball Blogger
(46,761 posts)to conserve power for one day, and in contrast, the Republicans in Congress are going to ask them to take cuts in military pensions and benefits.
Oh, how I laughed.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,464 posts)Dear Republicans: We Tried Your Way and It Does Not Work (a thread)
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17/ Republicans told us if we just cut the top tax rate on the morbidly rich from the 74% it was at in 1980 down to 27% it would trickle down benefits to everybody else as, they said, the job creators would be unleashed on our economy.
18/ Instead of a more general prosperity, weve now ended up with the greatest wealth and income inequality in the world, as over $50 trillion was transferred over 40 years from the bottom 90% to the top 1%, where it remains to this day.
19/ The middle class has gone from over 60% of us to fewer than half of us. It now takes 2 full-time wage earners to sustain the same lifestyle one could in 1980.
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FakeNoose
(32,787 posts)Reagan told many private jokes about it, and none of his people ever believed a word of it. BUT they all got super-mega-wealthy because of it. We paid our taxes and made them rich, and they never even thanked us for it.
Mr.Bill
(24,332 posts)not by rich business owners.
RobinA
(9,896 posts)I'm a younger Boomer, so I've watched the diehard company loyalists get decimated, and I've rolled my eyes at my millennial office mate when she leaves at 1p because she "just isn't feeling it today." But I can't really blame her. Her kids aren't going to find her hanging from a beam in their garage after being laid off.
I work for state government, went there specifically for the pension. When I got there in 2008 the institutional memory was incredible. Most people older than I have retired now. They've gotten rid of the pension for new employees, and guess what? Now they can't get staff and the people they do get don't stay. Why should they? It's government. Working conditions suck, your phone is 50 years old, and the money is the same or better elsewhere. And the pension that used to help keep people despite that crap is gone, gone, gone for newcomers. I'm not feelin' it either.