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The U.S. Navy says that releasing any additional UFO videos would harm national security and told a government transparency website that all of the governments UFO videos are classified information. In a Freedom of Information Act request response, the Navy told government transparency site The Black Vault that any public dissemination of new UFO videos will harm national security as it may provide adversaries valuable information regarding Department of Defense/Navy operations, vulnerabilities, and/or capabilities. No portions of the videos can be segregated for release.
The Black Vault was seeking all videos with the designation of unidentified aerial phenomena. This is an interesting response from the Navy because, often, military agencies will issue a so-called GLOMAR response, where they neither confirm nor deny that the records (in this case videos) exist, and refuse to say anything more. In this response, the Navy is admitting that it has more videos, and also gives a rationale for releasing three previous UFO videos. While three UAP videos were released in the past, the facts specific to those three videos are unique in that those videos were initially released via unofficial channels before official release, it said.
Those events were discussed extensively in the public domain; in fact, major news outlets conducted specials on these events. Given the amount of information in the public domain regarding these encounters, it was possible to release the files without further damage to national security. Its true that the three videoswhich were leaked to former Blink-182 singer Tom DeLonge and the New York Timesdidnt originally come out via official means. But in recent years, the Pentagon has regularly talked about UFOs, and earlier this year it showed additional clips from UFOs to Congress. The military has seemingly wanted to tell the public and Congress that UFOs are very much real and a threat, and that it needs more funding to determine what they are and, perhaps, protect us against them. But it continues to hold the videos close to the vest.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/4axn8p/navy-says-all-ufo-videos-classified-releasing-them-will-harm-national-security
Orrex
(63,225 posts)Chainfire
(17,647 posts)GregariousGroundhog
(7,526 posts)Would the Navy be any more inclined if the FOIA request specifically called out any footage of UFOs taken from any aircraft system retired prior to January 1, 1990.
The navy would be able to deny footage from the F-35 (current being aquired), the F-18 (in service), and the F-14 Tomcats and the F-14 (retired in 2006).
The F-4 phantom was retired in 1987 and is three generations old at this point. Saying that revealing its capability is contrary to national security would be dubious at this point.
FarPoint
(12,451 posts)Has some of these documents on UFO's and ET's on Earth...some of the Mar largo booty...
Irish_Dem
(47,473 posts)In additional to any sexual dirt of friends and enemies.
Bragging rights and to humiliate.
FarPoint
(12,451 posts)He will try and use this exposure to the public threat as leverage with the Feds...
That is his thinking.
Irish_Dem
(47,473 posts)But also to brag with friends and anyone who will listen.
He simply can not keep his mouth shut.
If Trump were smarter and just a sociopath he would know that keeping his mouth shut
increases the value of his stolen material.
But he is such a narcissist who needs constant admiration and attention, he would
brag about the stolen material.
FarPoint
(12,451 posts)Kidd Rock UFO pictures when at the WH.
Irish_Dem
(47,473 posts)Ordered up all the secret stuff he could.
And then showed it all around, sold it, made copies, lost it, boxed it.
Some of the classified UFO pictures are said to be prototype military drones back
before anyone knew what they were. These pictures obviously should not be
made public.
FarPoint
(12,451 posts)He did do this since people he showed to brag to, they spread the story...
He never preformed 1 hour of Presidential duty....
Irish_Dem
(47,473 posts)Playing, making messes, having tantrums, demanding attention.
FarPoint
(12,451 posts)nauseated when I think about his abuse....
Then again, we sure did learn about as a nation how we must set up protections/ boundaries for our Presidential Office so this can not happen again. If we do not...it sure will happen again and much worse.
Irish_Dem
(47,473 posts)We learned so much about what is wrong.
And we found out there are no rules when it comes to POTUS.
It is all on the honor system.
Xoan
(25,324 posts)They're allowed FAKE.
Chainfire
(17,647 posts)canopy or trying to catch Venus.
There is no way that we have been having close encounters with the little green men since WWII without anyone spilling the beans.
FarPoint
(12,451 posts)and/or actual UFO sightings....
Chainfire
(17,647 posts)If a species had the ability for interstellar travel what would they want to hang around with us for? Besides that, with that kind of advanced science, don't you think that they could figure out how not to avoid being seen if they didn't want to be seen? If they wanted to study us as a curiosity, and didn't want to be seen, there would be no reason to come in close to do it, nor would it have taken hundreds or thousands of years to complete a study. They could hang out around Pluto and watch our TV and learn everything that they needed to know. I don't think that we would be very interesting to anyone who figured out how to break the light speed limit and devise interstellar or intergalactic travel.
To me, local ETs make about as much sense as Thor or Bigfoot. That is not to say that I do not believe that there is life outside this planet, because I certainly do. If life is an accident of chemistry, which I believe, it will have repeated itself elsewhere; we just aren't that special. I just don't believe that Ets are here and now. Nor do I believe that our national government has any evidence to the contrary, because, if they did, someone, somewhere would have made a deathbed confession about what he or she knew. It would be the most important discovery in the history of the world, the revelation would make the discoverer nearly immortal; some things are just to big to be kept secret.
The Navy wants to keep their "evidence" secret because the military loves secrets, if there were no national secrets, they would invent them.
Mr. Sparkle
(2,950 posts)it is a compelling / interesting incident
Chainfire
(17,647 posts)It is a story, no more, no less. I will credit the speaker with being a good storyteller. Why would anyone believe that an interstellar traveler would be a humanoid form, on the same scale as a human? Evolution is the story of millions of random causes, driven by environmental factors, that result in an ever changing form. That such a form would repeat, so closely, in and in the same time frame in another ecosystem to me is incredulous. The only way to explain such a coincidence would be through the act of God, and if a person can believe in God, they can believe in anything.
Dr. Carl Sagan said, and I paraphrase, 'that the one thing that he hoped he left his students with was a functioning bullshit meter.' To me, this story smells like a whole rawhide sized herd of male bovines.
Stories are not evidence and incredible claims require overwhelming evidence.
Mr. Sparkle
(2,950 posts)what does he have to gain from the story, when mostly all he will get is grief? If the story is true, i'd imagine the reason he is talking about it is because he is looking for an explanation and answers from that night
I dont know if its true or not, but i do find his story compelling.
Chainfire
(17,647 posts)I don't differentiate between faith and superstition. I did not call the man a liar, I said that he was a story teller, (and a good one) but I will concede that he could have been either lying, drunk, high or dreaming. Like I said, incredible stories require incredible proof. Where is the proof?
I belong to the ancient clan of the Put ups or shut ups. Our clan does not accept faith based science, and never have; it is in our charter.
Mr. Sparkle
(2,950 posts)"To me, this story smells like a whole rawhide sized herd of male bovines." if that's not a reference to bullshit, you may need to change your quirky phases to be a bit more clearer in the future.
Im not trying to convince you of anything, just try and keep an open mind. Closed minds learn nothing.
Chainfire
(17,647 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Vinca
(50,312 posts)Martin68
(22,898 posts)Zeitghost
(3,873 posts)most if not all are our own technology.
mahina
(17,706 posts)I saw something so strange in the sky once decades before what anyone now would readily identify existed- that we knew of.
It was a drone.
Martin68
(22,898 posts)I don't think any video before 2001 at the very least should be relevant to national security. Why don't they put a time cap on it if national security is the issue?
Kid Berwyn
(14,979 posts)Or an occupant, up close?
Thatd fry the pecking order, from The Vatican to Wall Street.
onethatcares
(16,192 posts)"the military has seemingly wanted to tell the public and Congress that UFOs are very much real and a threat, and that it needs more funding to determine what they are and, perhaps, protect us against them."
If some inter planetary species took the time to come here and have the tech to drop in and out there isn't any thing the MIC can do to protect us against them. Sheesh, maybe we could learn from that species
edhopper
(33,634 posts)would reveal too much about out optical and radar systems capabilities.
Or at least that is what the Navy is reacting to.
mahina
(17,706 posts)I mean it seems plausible that there is life on other planets considering how many there are.
But still, this makes sense as otherwise they would be asking for funding for more research in public. I think.
edhopper
(33,634 posts)is there being life on other planets, even intelligent life, even technologically advanced intelligent life, is not an argument that said life has visited this remote planet.
Duppers
(28,127 posts)Unlike total deniers, this allows for the possibility. And who can rule out that possibility?
edhopper
(33,634 posts)because there is no evidence for it. It's not something like perpetual motion, which is an impossibility, but it is a very, very remote possibility. I think the problem is, it is treated as one of several equal possibilities.
Saying we can't completely dismiss it is far from saying it is just as likely.
Martin68
(22,898 posts)visiting the earth from another planet. It would require technology that is so far ahead of our understanding that our planet might not be considered "remote." I'm an agnostic on the subject, admitting I don't know how likely or possible such an event might be. All we can do is analyze any evidence that comes our way. If the military h such evidence, it should be shared with the world. It would be too important to be up to the military to release it.
edhopper
(33,634 posts)does not make it any more likely. It is a very small possibility.
As Sagan said, Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
I have seen to many cases eventually explained by down to Earth reasons to consider it more than a very remote possibility.
Martin68
(22,898 posts)to have it proved a reality? The depressed Voice of Pessimism may think it is being "realistic," but that is only if it knows ALL the facts.
this makes it remain a possibility, but a very, very remote one. I don't know who says it is "impossible". I certainly don't.
But to act as if it is equally as possible as eye witness mistakes or an earthbound explanation is foolish.
If all the facts so far say it is not aliens, we must not keep saying it is just as likely that it is aliens.
I am dealing with reality, unlike those who say it is most likely aliens.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)And not even good for sex.
FakeNoose
(32,787 posts)... unless you're watching a sci-fi flick.
UFO could just as easily be an enemy's weaponized military vehicle that our intelligence people haven't identified yet. They don't know the scope of the threat, but they assume that it IS a threat until they know more. Some of the photos are fakes, some of the them are real. Some UFOs may have come from another galaxy, we don't know. But our intelligence organizations have real reasons for not releasing the documents.
The one thing I know for SURE is, they are NOT Chump's personal property to sell or give away.
edhopper
(33,634 posts)should not be given equal weight. Some are much, much more far fetched than others. Some have zero evidence to support the claim.