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tblue37

(65,490 posts)
Mon Sep 12, 2022, 07:05 PM Sep 2022

15,000 nurses in Minnesota walked off the job to protest understaffing and overwork.



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15,000 nurses in Minnesota walked off the job to protest understaffing and overwork.

This is the largest strike of private-sector nurses in U.S. history and it should be one of the biggest stories in the country.
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15,000 nurses in Minnesota walked off the job to protest understaffing and overwork. (Original Post) tblue37 Sep 2022 OP
They are already spending millions to hire scab, multigraincracker Sep 2022 #1
Who should care for the patients while the strike continues? MichMan Sep 2022 #5
The employers should get their shit together, stay at the table, and keep bargaining so there isn't WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #6
That was the problem. multigraincracker Sep 2022 #9
Same people who have been caring for the patients before the strike - Ms. Toad Sep 2022 #13
Are there a significant number of unemployed nurses available to work? MichMan Sep 2022 #14
There is a serious nursing shortage. Ms. Toad Sep 2022 #15
Don't private duty nurses negotiate their own fees and working conditions? FakeNoose Sep 2022 #2
They work at private hospitals, not public/academic institutions. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2022 #3
OK thanks for explaining that FakeNoose Sep 2022 #4
Public sector... 2naSalit Sep 2022 #8
Think you're thinking of contractors rather than private-sector Hugh_Lebowski Sep 2022 #11
Kicking for visibility SheltieLover Sep 2022 #7
When investment corporations own hospitals... 2naSalit Sep 2022 #10
DURec leftstreet Sep 2022 #12

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,452 posts)
6. The employers should get their shit together, stay at the table, and keep bargaining so there isn't
Mon Sep 12, 2022, 07:32 PM
Sep 2022

a strike.

Ms. Toad

(34,103 posts)
13. Same people who have been caring for the patients before the strike -
Mon Sep 12, 2022, 09:54 PM
Sep 2022

pretty much no one.

Something has to give. I've been hospitalized twice since April. The first time I sat incapacitated (vertigo so severe I could not open my eyes without vomiting) in the "inner waiting room," which was a dark room separate from the regular waiting room. I sat with my back to the staff who were supposed to be keeping an eye on me. I could easily have died without them noticing for hours.

I arrived at about 6:00 PM. The second and last time any nursing staff checked on me was 10:00 PM. At about 3:00 AM I needed to go to the bathroom. I sent my spouse to find them and let them know, since they did not give me any means to summon help. (The two others in the "inner waiting room" had no one with them, and would have had no means to get help.) Their response to my spouse was: She can go. My spouse informed them that I needed assistance since I could not open my eyes or move without vomiting. They came, reluctantly. I told them to treat me as if I was blind (tell me how many steps, which way), since I couldn't open my eyes. They were incapable of doing that - so I had to open my eyes. I started throwing up immediately. When I was done, they draped the three blankets which had been keeping me warm (in the 60 degree room) around my neck and deposited me back in the "inner waiting room" and left.

My spouse went to the main desk again and asked for the nurse to come and give me something for the nausea so I could stop throwing up long enough to reposition the blankets around me so I didn't freeze. The nurse refused because I hadn't been seen by a doctor yet, so there was nothing she could do. This is despite having drawn blood twice - so someone obviously was capable of writing some orders.

About 2 hours later I was finally seen in the ER and admitted. Some of the tests they were doing were to test for a stroke or a heart attack, both of which need attention sooner than 11 hours after presenting in the ER. The nursing care did not improve much once I got to the floor.

This was at a Cleveland Clinic hospital - not a second or third class institution.

I have compared notes with friends who have been hospitalized in the same time period (one of whom is a nurse), and found their experiences to be similar - also in institutions with national, if not international, reputations for quality.

I am not blaming the nurses. The reality is that most hospitals are critically understaffed. Everyone is pushed to the breaking point - and can't do any more than they are currently doing. Patients are at risk even with nurses are on duty, and will continue to be at risk until the critical staff shortage is resolved. If it takes a strike to solve the problem - temporarily having no nurses isn't a heck of a lot worse than the current level of staffing.

MichMan

(11,981 posts)
14. Are there a significant number of unemployed nurses available to work?
Mon Sep 12, 2022, 10:32 PM
Sep 2022

Sounds like there are nursing shortages everywhere, not just this one company. Is their claim that the hospital isn't actively recruiting nurses?

Would they be pirated from other hospitals, which just moves the shortage somewhere else ?

Ms. Toad

(34,103 posts)
15. There is a serious nursing shortage.
Mon Sep 12, 2022, 11:21 PM
Sep 2022

Some have left the field because of the trauma of the past few years. Nursing pays more than training new nurses, so at least locally (and I suspect nationally) the spaces in nursing programs are very limited because there are not enough teachers to train new nurses. So new nurses are not being trained quickly enough to fill the normal shortages, let alone the new ones created by COVID.

And I suspect word is getting around that nursing is not the field it used to be. The nurse friend of mine who has a similarly awful experience in the hospital told me that she would not go into nursing, again, if she was starting over. Nursing today isn't really providing quality, loving care for patients now, so much as it is doing triage. A friend of hers, also a nurse, agreed with her.

But you are also correct that, at least to some extent, the shortage is just moving around. Nurses have discovered that if they are willing to move around, there is more pay in being a travel nurse. So nurses who used to have permanent jobs in hospitals are traveling to earn more money (and have more flexibility about their work schedule).

FakeNoose

(32,781 posts)
2. Don't private duty nurses negotiate their own fees and working conditions?
Mon Sep 12, 2022, 07:17 PM
Sep 2022

Maybe I'm not understanding what "private-sector" nurses are....

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,452 posts)
3. They work at private hospitals, not public/academic institutions.
Mon Sep 12, 2022, 07:22 PM
Sep 2022

Nurses who work in university health systems are often public employees.

2naSalit

(86,817 posts)
8. Public sector...
Mon Sep 12, 2022, 07:40 PM
Sep 2022

Means they work for a government. Private means non-governmental, including commercial.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
11. Think you're thinking of contractors rather than private-sector
Mon Sep 12, 2022, 08:53 PM
Sep 2022

There's overlap of course but they're separate concepts.

2naSalit

(86,817 posts)
10. When investment corporations own hospitals...
Mon Sep 12, 2022, 07:47 PM
Sep 2022

They will grind their workers into their graves. If they have been trying to gain more for their thankless work, they should strike.

Don't forget what we the public have demanded of them over the past few years. They are trying to not leave the profession and they have been heavily taxed without adequate compensation.

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