Earlier this evening, Yevgeny Vindman was on MSNBC (Nicolle Wallace's show???).

[Stinky The Clown]

He said he thought the Ukrainians were, at this moment in time, the most highly trained, skilled army in Europe, at least. He said they could win this war faster if they have the very latest, very best arms their allies (the US, for sure) could provide them. They have proven to be skilled strategists and steadfastly determine to fight gallantly for their country. He said he thought they could capture back all stolen territory by years' end if they had all they needed.

I am no military analyst, but that sure seems a reasonable conclusion.

So what do people think? Should we invest more in the Ukrainian army, make this a real proxy war, and defeat soundly and demonstrably, one cowardly but brutal dictator?

I think we should.

And then stop Putin's westward expansion by allowing Ukraine to join NATO. We could also lobby for them to join the EU.

They have EARNED it!!

[CrispyQ]

1. A Putin loss & Trump's arrest would take the wind out of the sails

Of the white nationalist movement & the cult.

[bucolic_frolic]

2. Advantage always goes to guerilla strategists against conventional warfare

Plus they know their own territory.

[dchill]

3. We should try to develop a reputation for defending freedom...

... where it is being threatened. WhereEVER it is threatened. If you get my drift.

[Srkdqltr]

4. The Ukraine people put their lives on the line. If they fail a lot of other countries will be next.

They all know who they are. Ukraine is worthy of all the help it can get from NATO and every other country in Europe and the US.

[intrepidity]

5. Yes. Give them everything they need ASAP! nt

[Irish_Dem]

6. Ukraine is fighting for all western democracies.

Putin has been working to undermine Europe and the US.
And if he wins in Ukraine will invade other parts of Europe.

To assist Ukraine, is to help all of us.

[BigmanPigman]

7. Provide as much assistance ASAP. Nip Putin in the "bud".

I want to see a real list of what all the countries who verbally promised $$$ and weapons 6 months ago and those who actually met their promises. There are a lot of "I OWE YOUS" out there. It is past time to put their money where there mouths are.

[James48]

8. First- the fighting MUST stop.

And the two sides have to start talking. This isn’t going to end any time soon, unless Putin leaves, and the Russians agree to stop.

[Bavorskoami]

10. The fighting can stop when Russia leaves.

They need to leave all the land that they have occupied in Ukraine since 2008. Then they can start talking about the Russians returning all of the kidnapped Ukrainians and how much they will pay in reparations.

[grantcart]

9. In 1978 30 crack Chinese divisions invaded Vietnam to

Punish them for liberating Cambodia from the Khmer Rouge.

Vietnam defended with 7 divisions and the home militia.

Vietnam handed China a crushing defeat killing more than 30,000.

There is no comparison between the motivation of soldiers who are invading and those fighting to save their homes.

[Bavorskoami]

11. Benefits of a crushing loss for Putin:

I would like to see the Russians weakened so much that Assad has no support from them, that Orban and others realize Putin can do nothing for them, that the Russian oligarchs decide they need to play nice in international business, and the Russian troll farms and fake news operations can't get fat Kremlin bank rolls to do their mischief around the world.