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kpete

(72,010 posts)
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 09:16 AM Sep 2022

YES, IMPOTUS Leaked Secrets [Empty Wheel]

The Geogre
Sep 19, 2022 at 04:30:52 AM

The Department of Justice lawyers working on the appeal and stay in the “documents case” of Mar-a-Lago and Donald J. Trump for the 11th circuit are smart. The ones trying for a stay from Cannon were smart, too, and smarter than she is.

Marcy Wheeler, at Empty Wheel blog, notes that, in their appeal, they drop a note that Donald Trump has leaked top secret material. I’m going to add emphasis:
https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/09/17/in-motion-for-a-stay-doj-raises-prospect-that-trump-leaked-classified-documents/

Aileen Cannon’s order only permitted the government to review the classified documents for hypothetical risk of future disclosure. It notes that that would prohibit the government from investigating whether these documents have already been disclosed. It then raises the empty folders as a problem that must be solved, in part by identifying the patterns of Trump’s theft to identify what else he may have stolen.

The injunction also appears to bar the FBI and DOJ from further reviewing the records to discern any patterns in the types of records that were retained, which could lead to identification of other records still missing. See A42 (describing recovery of “empty folders with ‘classified’ banners”). And the injunction would prohibit the government from using any aspect of the seized records’ contents to support the use of compulsory process to locate any additional records.

Disregarding a sworn declaration from a senior FBI official, the court dismissed such concerns as “hypothetical scenarios” and faulted the government for not identifying an “emergency” or “imminent disclosure of classified information.” A11. But the record makes clear that the materials were stored in an unsecure manner over a prolonged period, and the court’s injunction itself prevents the government from even beginning to take necessary steps to determine whether improper disclosures might have occurred or may still occur.


As she says,

The government came very close to saying that Judge Cannon has prohibited the government from preventing leaks in process.


This is short for Empty Wheel, so think it through for a moment. Justice, on behalf of FBI, is saying that the materials were held for months without security. There are empty folders. The empty folders MUST be investigated, but Cannon prohibits the investigation, since those would be “hypothetical” and of things in the past. She is only allowing a security review of future harms.

So, a Fake Rothschild, someone looking for a towel and opening the wrong closet, or just K$$$ and John Solomon evacuating the good stuff but leaving the wrapper? The jackets without files tell us that there are Top Secret goods that HAVE leaked. They may or may not have been transmitted, but they have escaped containment and governmental control.

The Espionage Act case has already been proved.
https://www.dailykos.com/comments/2123626/84550542#comment_84550542
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dclarston13

(412 posts)
1. I think Cannon ruling forces the DOJ's hand
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 10:03 AM
Sep 2022

They may have to indict him on one of the many crimes he has committed.

KPN

(15,649 posts)
13. Hell, they ought to indict the judge for aiding and abetting espionage. I k ow, nice pipe-dream,
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 12:31 PM
Sep 2022

but she has a law degree for crying out loud, so she isn't that stupid. There are some things that look like, walk like and talk like a duck that are in fact a duck. We all know that. This is one of those things, only more important.

Response to KPN (Reply #13)

Response to kpete (Original post)

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
4. Marcy Wheeler and team are smart as whips. She gets so far into the weeds it's sometimes hard to
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 10:18 AM
Sep 2022

follow which makes lists like this informative.

Nevilledog

(51,178 posts)
17. Where are you getting that info?
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 08:58 PM
Sep 2022

Not that I'm doubting you, I've only seen the info she provided on her congressional questionnaire.

stopdiggin

(11,348 posts)
18. it IS thin, I'll admit
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 09:38 PM
Sep 2022

(with the exception of education and work) and that would appear to be deliberate. And - in today's day and age - I can't say as I blame anyone for taking that position.

I don't have any special sources or insight. On the other hand - from what I do see - I can't point to anything that looks even remotely suspicious. (unless the bi-lingual, dual-citizenship thing qualifies) And testimony from former workmates and classmates (unlike some other judges we're aware of) - seems to be pretty uniformly thumbs up and supportive.

stopdiggin

(11,348 posts)
20. I read it someplace - and now can't find it again
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 09:51 PM
Sep 2022

And - Columbia does not automatically grant birth-right citizenship, so ...

Until I have better information - I'm going to back up to 'unsubstantiated.'

LaMouffette

(2,039 posts)
9. The DOJ should arrest Traitor Trump now and keep him until (1) the documents from the empty
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 11:28 AM
Sep 2022

folders are returned; AND (2) the Special Master has completed his review.

Then after he is released, he should be put on probation that would include the requirement of not leaving the US. Any violation of that probation would put him back in jail.

Orrex

(63,220 posts)
11. He should, in short, be treated like a citizen of the USA
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 11:58 AM
Sep 2022

And not like the incarnate god-king of an insurrectionist KKKult.

LaMouffette

(2,039 posts)
14. Absolutely. The fact that he was president should be all the more reason to hold him accountable,
Mon Sep 19, 2022, 02:34 PM
Sep 2022

not a reason that he should be handled with kid gloves.

Plus, just think of what kind of damage he could still be doing. Traitor Trump is an active, ongoing threat to our national security.

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