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Tiedrich truth: about allowing tfg rallies (Original Post) lindysalsagal Sep 2022 OP
Apparently Tiedrich doesn't understand the Constitution AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2022 #1
Huh? Of course he undertands the Constitution. brush Sep 2022 #3
I understand that you don't get to restrict peoples movements AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2022 #4
Again, it's a plea for justice to be bought against an... brush Sep 2022 #6
"Maybe once he's charged people can talk about restricting" Earth-shine Sep 2022 #8
Well, the DOJ should quit worrying about a conviction and make Jeff happy! Maru Kitteh Sep 2022 #39
I think it would be great if he were the gop nominee for President in 2024 BOSSHOG Sep 2022 #10
I have no idea what you are talking about AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2022 #13
AZS, my read is not that Tiedrich is suggesting Trump be prohibited from holding rallies. He is Martin68 Sep 2022 #33
Tiedrich is bemoaning the fact that Trump hasn't been arrested. LudwigPastorius Sep 2022 #16
Yes, the raid and the arrest happened at the same time Silent3 Sep 2022 #21
There's a long Constitutionally-accepted notion of "clear and present danger" Silent3 Sep 2022 #20
multiple parts of the US Constitution may end up being national suicide pacts Celerity Sep 2022 #23
The gerrymandering of state and fed districts is strangling democracy. That and the money from big d lindysalsagal Sep 2022 #24
Wisconsin is the worst, Dems outnumber Rethugs, yet at the US House level the fuckers have Celerity Sep 2022 #25
PA, too. lindysalsagal Sep 2022 #26
How? SleeplessinSoCal Sep 2022 #34
it's that out of control Celerity Sep 2022 #38
TFG is billh58 Sep 2022 #30
Sure You Do smb Sep 2022 #35
Stroke out already, you F'n, murdering, orange TRAITOR**. niyad Sep 2022 #2
From your keyboard to karma's ear! SheltieLover Sep 2022 #5
That would be too good for him. I want the orange bastard broke and behind bars! Solomon Sep 2022 #7
I know that is the general sentiment. But as long as he wastes oxygen, he niyad Sep 2022 #9
Moths flying from his inside out pockets. sprinkleeninow Sep 2022 #17
I like that image! calimary Sep 2022 #28
I take Jeff's tweet as a cut on trump supporters SouthernDem4ever Sep 2022 #11
GOP is starting up the bullshit about want to buy groceries and gas The_Casual_Observer Sep 2022 #12
Their plan is to trickle down. rubbersole Sep 2022 #14
and to kiss the agent orange's ass in public. Justice matters. Sep 2022 #19
Clearly Jeff hasn't received a proper scolding Orrex Sep 2022 #15
Twitter replies: Rhiannon12866 Sep 2022 #18
Agree wtf is he allowed to do his bullshit I_UndergroundPanther Sep 2022 #22
If we had a Republican party functioning in the real world, he would have been out of office Maeve Sep 2022 #27
Someone stillspkg Sep 2022 #29
Gag order his gaping mouth. GreenWave Sep 2022 #31
Would I walk freely after stealing Top Secret documents? Would you? Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2022 #32
Rec n/t malaise Sep 2022 #36
Thinking on Hitler in jail and what to do about a mad man who won't be presidential post presidency. SleeplessinSoCal Sep 2022 #37

brush

(53,794 posts)
3. Huh? Of course he undertands the Constitution.
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 10:27 PM
Sep 2022

Apparently you don't understand a plea for justice to be done about a lying, crooked, document thief of an ex-president who actively encouraged his followers to overthrow the government on in 2021.

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,033 posts)
4. I understand that you don't get to restrict peoples movements
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 10:31 PM
Sep 2022

Or their free speech. Apparently a lot of people don’t understand that. There’s a document called the Constitution that lays it out pretty clearly if you read it.
Maybe once he’s charged people can talk about restricting his travel and speech.
But that doesn’t get likes on Twitter for random bloggers.

brush

(53,794 posts)
6. Again, it's a plea for justice to be bought against an...
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 10:43 PM
Sep 2022

insurrectionist ex-president with active investigation going on against him in NY, Georgia, by the DOJ and the J6 Committee.

Duh!

You're aware of all that, right? Tiedrich has as much Constitutional free speech to voice his views against trump as trump does in voicing his anti-democratic ones.

 

Earth-shine

(4,044 posts)
8. "Maybe once he's charged people can talk about restricting"
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 10:46 PM
Sep 2022

I interpret the tweet as a complaint that he has not been charged.

I don't know what you are complaining about other than Twitter.

Maru Kitteh

(28,341 posts)
39. Well, the DOJ should quit worrying about a conviction and make Jeff happy!
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 09:05 PM
Sep 2022

Because THAT’s important. Make Jeff happy! Charge, charge, CHARGE! Screw actually worrying about doing it right? Make Jeff happy?


No thanks.


BOSSHOG

(37,077 posts)
10. I think it would be great if he were the gop nominee for President in 2024
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 10:53 PM
Sep 2022

Would you vote for him? If not, why not? Spare me the grade school lesson on the Constitution. I served 30 years supporting it and defending it. Let him run. Now. As an old Senior Chief told us back in the day, what’s the fucking book say?

Martin68

(22,825 posts)
33. AZS, my read is not that Tiedrich is suggesting Trump be prohibited from holding rallies. He is
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 05:49 PM
Sep 2022

frustrated that Trump is not in jail for multiple crimes. If he were in prison, as he should be for running frauds for decades, he would not be at liberty to take his demagoguery around the country. The headline for the post is very misleading in my opinion.

Silent3

(15,238 posts)
21. Yes, the raid and the arrest happened at the same time
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 01:24 AM
Sep 2022

It's clear Trump is not being treated as if he is "equal before the law".

Silent3

(15,238 posts)
20. There's a long Constitutionally-accepted notion of "clear and present danger"
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 01:19 AM
Sep 2022

Obviously that's easier to a apply to someone running around with a gun in his hand shooting at people.

Trump, however, has already done more harm than hundreds of serial killers combined. He's a threat to our democracy itself.

I realize the difficulty of trying to apply the "clear and present danger" concept to someone like Trump -- definitely potential there for a slippery slope -- but, on the other hand, "The Constitution is not a suicide pact".

As Jefferson said:

A strict observance of the written law is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest. The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country when in danger, are of higher obligation. To lose our country by a scrupulous adherence to the written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us; thus absurdly sacrificing the ends to the means.


This is what I get angry about when it comes to the slow, plodding nature of the DoJ investigations into Trump. Too much "strict observance", too little urgency for "self-preservation" and "saving our country when in danger".

Celerity

(43,422 posts)
23. multiple parts of the US Constitution may end up being national suicide pacts
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 02:45 AM
Sep 2022

FAR too much faith in 'good faith' actors

Overly absolutist takes on the 1st Amendment that may well pave the way for massive ruptures of and within the Union of the States

The 2nd Amendment's vagueness and ambiguity, which causes not only wanton everyday slaughter, but also helps make RW 'killing fields' scenarios possible, even if not probable

The Electoral College

The very nature of the US Senate, where soon around 30% of the population will control 70% of the seats

Lifetime appointments for the Federal Judiciary

The very nature of the Supreme Court, where 5 (unless the SCOTUS is expanded) unelected, basically unstoppable (other than death) humans, can (going back to the over reliance on good faith) make non-appealable rulings that can say ANYTHING (there is no way to stop a blatantly wrong decision that clearly goes against the Constitution itself, an extreme example being if they were to declare a hypothetical Mississippi law that allows chattel slavery for people deemed to be African-American to be Constitutional, there is no process to actually stop it, other than extraconstitutional means, which likely entails kinetic violence. Or a more easily occurring example, if they were to declare foetal personhood, which instantly outlaws most abortions in all 50 States, then you have a catch-22, wherein the Blue States will NOT comply, which opens up the door to the Red States using that to start to ditch decisions that THEY disagree with OR you have the Federal government enforcing the ruling via the use of force (implied or real), which will likely lead to kinetic civil war and/or secession attempts.)

The first-past-the-post single member district winner-take-all system, which results in a flawed 2 party de facto setup, wherein voter apathy and alienation is paired with a disastrous tendency for one party to gain inordinate power by staking out a ground that appeals to the worst of humanity (the Rethugs, who combine top tier power lust and greed at a system level with hate, fear, racism, fundie religion, etc etc) and welds those voters together into sufficient numbers to manipulate the entire superstructure at all levels.

The over-empowerment of the States to set rules for Federal elections (an example of abuse that can flow from that is State legislatures declaring the popular POTUS vote null and void and sending their own slates of electors, which, IF (going back to the SCOTUS) allowed and approved by the Supreme Court, could flip the POTUS from a Dem (who won the overall popular vote, PLUS the Electoral College if done via those states poplar vote) to a Rethug (AND IF the SCOTUS okays it, it is technically constitutionally legal, but will, more than likely, lead to widespread kinetic violence (perhaps even a civil war) and/or secession attempts) .

The rise of the 'imperial Presidency' due to Constructional loopholes that allow far too much power to be concentrated in it


there are others too, but you get the point I should think

lindysalsagal

(20,695 posts)
24. The gerrymandering of state and fed districts is strangling democracy. That and the money from big d
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 09:53 AM
Sep 2022

donors. We need election reform. The founders couldn't have understood how votes and media would all become a commodity.

Celerity

(43,422 posts)
25. Wisconsin is the worst, Dems outnumber Rethugs, yet at the US House level the fuckers have
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 10:04 AM
Sep 2022

an unflippable majority and at State level they at times have a SUPERMAJORITY in one or both chambers of the legislature.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
30. TFG is
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 05:22 PM
Sep 2022

screaming fire in a crowded theatre, and there is no fire. His hate speech has already caused people to die, and if he is left free to rabble-rouse many more will die.

smb

(3,473 posts)
35. Sure You Do
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 07:03 PM
Sep 2022

The movement of people in prison -- you know, the place where Trump should have gone long ago for his various crimes -- is restricted. That's kind of the point.

niyad

(113,458 posts)
9. I know that is the general sentiment. But as long as he wastes oxygen, he
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 10:50 PM
Sep 2022

is an enormous threat.

SouthernDem4ever

(6,617 posts)
11. I take Jeff's tweet as a cut on trump supporters
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 10:59 PM
Sep 2022

How stupid can a group of people get? Every day they prove they haven't yet reached their apex of stupidity.

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
12. GOP is starting up the bullshit about want to buy groceries and gas
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 11:02 PM
Sep 2022

Again then vote for us.

They haven't got any goddamn plans for any of that.

Orrex

(63,216 posts)
15. Clearly Jeff hasn't received a proper scolding
Fri Sep 23, 2022, 11:31 PM
Sep 2022

Shame on him for questioning The System!

Quick-someone tell him how wrong it is to express frustration at the DoJ's glacial pace! Tell him that he hasn't viewed all the evidence! Tell him that the rich and powerful don't get special treatment, despite 250+ years of undeniable evidence to the contrary!


TELL HIM!

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,480 posts)
22. Agree wtf is he allowed to do his bullshit
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 01:26 AM
Sep 2022

He should be in maximum security alone in a cell getting his meals on a tray through a slot in the door.

Maeve

(42,283 posts)
27. If we had a Republican party functioning in the real world, he would have been out of office
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 10:15 AM
Sep 2022

with the first impeachment and shut down long since!

stillspkg

(93 posts)
29. Someone
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 04:30 PM
Sep 2022
Someone—person or entity— needs to say, “no.”

I agree it is confounding. The info I found, (see attached link) seems clear enough for anyone who is passionate about democracy and knows the affect tfg’s speech had on the crowd on Jan 6, to feel supported in saying, “no.” Someone or entity felt supported enough to send a security person to put the kibosh on the Hitler salute.


] https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/inciting-to-riot-violence-or-insurrection.html

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,126 posts)
37. Thinking on Hitler in jail and what to do about a mad man who won't be presidential post presidency.
Sat Sep 24, 2022, 07:16 PM
Sep 2022

Hitler wrote in jail. Tfg doesn't so much write as pollute the air with his rage at being held to the same standards as us. Who knows what he believes? He's a mess inside a mess, that destroys everything he gets near. We have to protect ourselves from him and his believers. Tiedrich understands that.


"Adolf Hitler was sentenced to five years in jail for leading the Beer Hall Putsch in 1923. His book, My Struggle, sold fewer than 10,000 copies in its first year."

https://www.enotes.com/homework-help/why-did-hitler-go-to-jail-in-1923-1924-how-long-2246011

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