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(11,033 posts)Seems to be pretty common from Twitter pundits.
brush
(53,794 posts)Apparently you don't understand a plea for justice to be done about a lying, crooked, document thief of an ex-president who actively encouraged his followers to overthrow the government on in 2021.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,033 posts)Or their free speech. Apparently a lot of people dont understand that. Theres a document called the Constitution that lays it out pretty clearly if you read it.
Maybe once hes charged people can talk about restricting his travel and speech.
But that doesnt get likes on Twitter for random bloggers.
brush
(53,794 posts)insurrectionist ex-president with active investigation going on against him in NY, Georgia, by the DOJ and the J6 Committee.
Duh!
You're aware of all that, right? Tiedrich has as much Constitutional free speech to voice his views against trump as trump does in voicing his anti-democratic ones.
Earth-shine
(4,044 posts)I interpret the tweet as a complaint that he has not been charged.
I don't know what you are complaining about other than Twitter.
Maru Kitteh
(28,341 posts)Because THATs important. Make Jeff happy! Charge, charge, CHARGE! Screw actually worrying about doing it right? Make Jeff happy?
No thanks.
BOSSHOG
(37,077 posts)Would you vote for him? If not, why not? Spare me the grade school lesson on the Constitution. I served 30 years supporting it and defending it. Let him run. Now. As an old Senior Chief told us back in the day, whats the fucking book say?
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,033 posts)But thanks for your service and sarcasm.
Martin68
(22,825 posts)frustrated that Trump is not in jail for multiple crimes. If he were in prison, as he should be for running frauds for decades, he would not be at liberty to take his demagoguery around the country. The headline for the post is very misleading in my opinion.
LudwigPastorius
(9,156 posts)You know...like anyone else illegally sitting on classified documents would be.
https://www.baltimoresun.com/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-glen-burnie-man-sentenced-nsa-20190719-elck7ytza5f77okxeax4upzmim-story.html
Silent3
(15,238 posts)It's clear Trump is not being treated as if he is "equal before the law".
Silent3
(15,238 posts)Obviously that's easier to a apply to someone running around with a gun in his hand shooting at people.
Trump, however, has already done more harm than hundreds of serial killers combined. He's a threat to our democracy itself.
I realize the difficulty of trying to apply the "clear and present danger" concept to someone like Trump -- definitely potential there for a slippery slope -- but, on the other hand, "The Constitution is not a suicide pact".
As Jefferson said:
This is what I get angry about when it comes to the slow, plodding nature of the DoJ investigations into Trump. Too much "strict observance", too little urgency for "self-preservation" and "saving our country when in danger".
Celerity
(43,422 posts)FAR too much faith in 'good faith' actors
Overly absolutist takes on the 1st Amendment that may well pave the way for massive ruptures of and within the Union of the States
The 2nd Amendment's vagueness and ambiguity, which causes not only wanton everyday slaughter, but also helps make RW 'killing fields' scenarios possible, even if not probable
The Electoral College
The very nature of the US Senate, where soon around 30% of the population will control 70% of the seats
Lifetime appointments for the Federal Judiciary
The very nature of the Supreme Court, where 5 (unless the SCOTUS is expanded) unelected, basically unstoppable (other than death) humans, can (going back to the over reliance on good faith) make non-appealable rulings that can say ANYTHING (there is no way to stop a blatantly wrong decision that clearly goes against the Constitution itself, an extreme example being if they were to declare a hypothetical Mississippi law that allows chattel slavery for people deemed to be African-American to be Constitutional, there is no process to actually stop it, other than extraconstitutional means, which likely entails kinetic violence. Or a more easily occurring example, if they were to declare foetal personhood, which instantly outlaws most abortions in all 50 States, then you have a catch-22, wherein the Blue States will NOT comply, which opens up the door to the Red States using that to start to ditch decisions that THEY disagree with OR you have the Federal government enforcing the ruling via the use of force (implied or real), which will likely lead to kinetic civil war and/or secession attempts.)
The first-past-the-post single member district winner-take-all system, which results in a flawed 2 party de facto setup, wherein voter apathy and alienation is paired with a disastrous tendency for one party to gain inordinate power by staking out a ground that appeals to the worst of humanity (the Rethugs, who combine top tier power lust and greed at a system level with hate, fear, racism, fundie religion, etc etc) and welds those voters together into sufficient numbers to manipulate the entire superstructure at all levels.
The over-empowerment of the States to set rules for Federal elections (an example of abuse that can flow from that is State legislatures declaring the popular POTUS vote null and void and sending their own slates of electors, which, IF (going back to the SCOTUS) allowed and approved by the Supreme Court, could flip the POTUS from a Dem (who won the overall popular vote, PLUS the Electoral College if done via those states poplar vote) to a Rethug (AND IF the SCOTUS okays it, it is technically constitutionally legal, but will, more than likely, lead to widespread kinetic violence (perhaps even a civil war) and/or secession attempts) .
The rise of the 'imperial Presidency' due to Constructional loopholes that allow far too much power to be concentrated in it
there are others too, but you get the point I should think
lindysalsagal
(20,695 posts)donors. We need election reform. The founders couldn't have understood how votes and media would all become a commodity.
Celerity
(43,422 posts)an unflippable majority and at State level they at times have a SUPERMAJORITY in one or both chambers of the legislature.
lindysalsagal
(20,695 posts)SleeplessinSoCal
(9,126 posts)Do Dems not vote? Is gerrymandering that out of control?
Celerity
(43,422 posts)billh58
(6,635 posts)screaming fire in a crowded theatre, and there is no fire. His hate speech has already caused people to die, and if he is left free to rabble-rouse many more will die.
smb
(3,473 posts)The movement of people in prison -- you know, the place where Trump should have gone long ago for his various crimes -- is restricted. That's kind of the point.
niyad
(113,458 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Solomon
(12,311 posts)niyad
(113,458 posts)is an enormous threat.
sprinkleeninow
(20,253 posts)calimary
(81,350 posts)The reality would be so well deserved!
SouthernDem4ever
(6,617 posts)How stupid can a group of people get? Every day they prove they haven't yet reached their apex of stupidity.
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)Again then vote for us.
They haven't got any goddamn plans for any of that.
rubbersole
(6,708 posts)And down. And down.
Justice matters.
(6,935 posts)while loathing it in private.
Orrex
(63,216 posts)Shame on him for questioning The System!
Quick-someone tell him how wrong it is to express frustration at the DoJ's glacial pace! Tell him that he hasn't viewed all the evidence! Tell him that the rich and powerful don't get special treatment, despite 250+ years of undeniable evidence to the contrary!
TELL HIM!
I_UndergroundPanther
(12,480 posts)He should be in maximum security alone in a cell getting his meals on a tray through a slot in the door.
Maeve
(42,283 posts)with the first impeachment and shut down long since!
stillspkg
(93 posts)I agree it is confounding. The info I found, (see attached link) seems clear enough for anyone who is passionate about democracy and knows the affect tfgs speech had on the crowd on Jan 6, to feel supported in saying, no. Someone or entity felt supported enough to send a security person to put the kibosh on the Hitler salute.
] https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/inciting-to-riot-violence-or-insurrection.html
GreenWave
(6,759 posts)Judges have the right to do that.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,364 posts)malaise
(269,087 posts)SleeplessinSoCal
(9,126 posts)Hitler wrote in jail. Tfg doesn't so much write as pollute the air with his rage at being held to the same standards as us. Who knows what he believes? He's a mess inside a mess, that destroys everything he gets near. We have to protect ourselves from him and his believers. Tiedrich understands that.
"Adolf Hitler was sentenced to five years in jail for leading the Beer Hall Putsch in 1923. His book, My Struggle, sold fewer than 10,000 copies in its first year."
https://www.enotes.com/homework-help/why-did-hitler-go-to-jail-in-1923-1924-how-long-2246011