It's really too bad there is not room in the Democratic Party for people like Liz Cheney.

[kentuck]

Personally, I am not fearful of conservative voices in the Democratic Party so long as they vote with the Democrats in the big picture. (There are probably more conservative Democrats than will admit it, in the Party today) I think it would make our Party stronger to have those opposing views on some issues.

I know this is not a popular position. But, if we are a big tent Party, we should not fear opposing viewpoints. Everybody should not have to believe the same thing. Just my opinion.

If some conservatives no longer feel welcome in the Republican Party, where should they go?

It's not like they are going to convert every other Democrat to switch to their philosophy. Nothing would change in actuality, except the number of "Democrats" in the House or Senate.

Tell us how this is a terrible idea.

[onecaliberal]

1. I don't fear their voice, I fear their policy positions. She called us baby killers, so no.

We already have fake Dems serving now.

[LakeArenal]

3. No kidding. Cheney voted toxic 93% of the time.

She very much helped to create the Rep Party as it is today. I appreciate her very late participation in Democracy. Better late than never.

[kentuck]

11. Was she in the majority with her votes?

Or did she vote with the minority?

I don't understand the threat, I guess?

[hedda_foil]

42. She voted straight party line R more than 90% of the time T was in office.

She's brilliant. She's a patriot. She believes in the Constitution. She also a true conservative. She will vote for the Dem candidate over a Trumpist, but she does not believe in Democratic values. We're fortunate to have her in this fight with us, but she's not a Democrat.

[kentuck]

8. Do you fear she will persuade other Democrats to change their positions?

Or perhaps they could persuade her to moderate her position?

[onecaliberal]

14. If I thought there was a slight glimmer of hope of that, I'd be down for it in a NY minute.

I guess at the end of the day, I don’t believe any of them would come to the table on any given issue to solely find a solution that is good for working people. Wealthy people have 20 homes, 4 planes and 6 yachts, while other people are sleeping outside with nothing. Children are going to bed and waking up hungry. There are so many unserious people in government now, it’s difficult to envision them actually working for us.

[LeftInTX]

47. Liz will probably end up working for an outside group on her pet issues

Some are non-partisan, although somewhat right leaning. (National security policy..for example)

She won't be working for or against taxes, health care, social issues.

[onecaliberal]

50. And that's my point. We need to do what she's going to do, but there is way too much

Need in the rebuilding of the bottom and upwards to continue to ignore it. There are more than 40,000 people living on the street in Los Angeles. We truly are at a turning point. MAGAS know the jig is up. We see them for what they are. MAGAS are resorting to every kind of political and social violence they can incite with impunity. We’re in uncharted water for sure.

[LeftInTX]

45. Liz is not going to run for office in the near future

She will probably join a policy think tank and focus on her pet issues. (national security stuff etc)

It may be a non-partisan thing where she may lobby Democrats from time to time.

[Irish_Dem]

2. They should become Independents.

We know they do not support the majority of Dem issues.
They are vehemently against them.

[kentuck]

9. Yes, they are the majority Party in America today...

...from what I have read?

Would that weaken the Democratic Party?

[Irish_Dem]

17. An influx of R's into our party would weaken it worse.

We do not want to become GOP lite.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

30. I'm not registered under any party...

... but I haven't voted for a Republican in about 40 years. (A local mayoral election.)

I even look up the political affiliations of judges, and others whose party isn't identified on ballots, to vote all-Democrat.

I think that you're mostly correct about Independents, though.

[Irish_Dem]

34. You are a registered Buckeye and voted Dem for the past four decades.

Good enough for me what ever you call yourself.
Go Bucks.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

35. Thanks.

[ProfessorGAC]

67. Just Like Me

I voted for 1 Republican ever. 3 times.
County board member active in emergency management. He was an Eisenhower/Rockefeller republican, not a radical, right flame throwing whiner.
Other than that, all Ds, even though technically I'm an independent.
I actually worked on Halverson's campaign twice, but still considered an indie.

[SoCalDavidS]

4. What If She Doesn't Want To Be In The Party Regardless?

Just because she's on our side for this issue, doesn't mean she doesn't object to our positions on 95%+ of the other issues.

Why do people continue to forget that she voted WITH TFG some 95%+ of the time during his term.

[inthewind21]

68. It's the nano second memory

of the America public. Only thinking in the right now.

[we can do it]

5. She is extremely far right on every issue other than not blowing up our democracy.

[zipplewrath]

6. No

We need those voices to get back control of the GOP so that we can then have open and honest debates on the issues. Right now we have democrats advocating for their positions, and the GOP screaming insanity about gazpacho police and Jewish space lasers. That's no way to run a country.

[pandr32]

7. I don't think it is a terrible idea at all.

[empedocles]

12. Right. Purity tests are not good for actually passing legislation

[Mike Nelson]

10. Hmm...

... while I admire her courage and position against The Donald, I do know that her policy positions are directly opposed to the Democrats' positions. There was a time when both parties had "Conservative" and "Liberal" members. The Bush family was once considered liberal... Liz Cheney would probably be too far right to even be a conservative Democrat. BUT, she could change... it has happened.

[Handler]

13. She is no democrat. It would like having another Manchin.

[we can do it]

25. Manchin votes with Dems over 90% of the time.

Cheney votes with traitors over 90% of the time.
She is much worse.

[Handler]

70. https://justfacts.votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/7547/joe-manchin-iii

This doesn’t look a 90% pro democrat voting record to me. I did see where Fox News reported he voted 91% of the time with democrats . Careful of your sources.

[we can do it]

72. Politifact agrees. Your link does not support your claim.

[Handler]

73. Did you read the voting data in the link? Or do think it's fake news?

[BlueTsunami2018]

15. She's diametrically opposed to everything we stand for.

I don’t want her anywhere near our party. She’s as bad or worse than any other Republican, she’s merely not a traitor. That’s it. The lowest possible bar an elected official has to clear.

No thanks.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

16. I'd prefer there be a more grounded, less insane GOP providing her a home party.

[LeftInTX]

46. Yes..

That's what she wants.
I think she will work on reforms, may not get anywhere..

[kentuck]

18. I think there are many areas of this country that conservative Democrats could do very well...

...rather than just give the seats to radical, fascist Republicans.

[empedocles]

40. . . . and actually pass Democratic legislationm rather than just have some rant?

[Bucky]

19. "Where should Republicans go?" -- They should go to Iraq

They should go see the long-term results of the insane neo conservative policies they advocated under Bush.

Then they should go to a cemetery and Florida or Alabama and count the headstones marking all the lives that we lost because they refused to take covid seriously and treat it like a disease.

They should look at the consequences of the horrible short-term decisions they've been making all these years. Then maybe they'll quit being Republicans

[NewHendoLib]

20. It's not opposing "viewpoints". It's values. It's about right and wrong

It wouldn't work.

[Gaugamela]

21. Sounds like a recipe for more Manchins and Sinemas. Let them start

a third party and split the right wing vote. Otherwise we’ll live in a country with one Conservative party and one fascist party.

[brooklynite]

22. What big picture would Cheney vote with Democrats on?

[David__77]

23. Who or what is stopping her? Does she need a "unity commission" or red carpet?

…

[Ocelot II]

24. She'd have to change most of her policy positions by 180 degrees.

If she did that she'd be welcome, but just opposing TFG isn't enough.

[Kaleva]

26. Liz Cheney couldn't win in WY as a D

So she'd be voting as a private person and not as a member of Congress.

[haele]

27. Ummm, no. She's like her Dad. She's still out for her elite self.

That she is smart enough to know that she and her class ultimately thrives better in a 'rule of law' democracy than under the chaos of a dictatorship is barely a virtue.
The incoherence of a populist mob 'government' lead by the loudest false prophet/mafioso of the year is bad for long term business. That's where she comes from.
She doesn't care if children starve, communities are impoverished, or people have rights. Her concern is that her class does not lose comfortable power, and that her financial portfolio is sufficient for her interests and ambitions. I met her father a couple times; people did not matter to him - only his power and prestige. Her voting record and public statements show she is her father's daughter.
So yay- she's wanting to slay the dragon in her own party. Kudos to her to be able to recognize the danger Q presents to her party structure and personal power.
She's still a Cheney, and they don't believe in compromise or negotiation.

Haele

[Mr. Ected]

28. Liz Cheney would be as adrift and inconsequential in our party as she is in the new GOP

The question is whether the fascists within the GOP are a passing trend or portend the future of the party.

If it's the latter, the only place for old-guard Republicans would be a splinter party that siphons votes away from the fascist element. That would be a major victory for the Dems in the short run, but might be the best way to apply a pincer attack on the Trump GOP in the years to come.

[MagickMuffin]

29. Only problem with this is pushing our party further right wing

No thanks. I’ve seen this played out before.

[viva la]

31. Anyone can join a party

So she could become Democrat if she wants to.
However, if all that means to her is "not Trumplican," then that wouldn't be much more of a party than the GOP has now.

The Democratic party stands for things, even if not every single Democrat agrees on every one of those things-- Labor rights, civil rights, women's rights, RIGHTS, social safety net, voter access, and so on.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with a focus on those Democratic ideals isn't going to be comfortable being a Democrat.

Truth is, Cheney would do better-- and do better for the country-- to stake her claim in the Republican Party, say, "This is what we are and what we believe," and ... well, wait for Trump to die or whatever.

Were I her, I'd hunker down with other traditional Republicans- the Cheneys, the Bushes, the Romneys-- and make a lot of GOP noise, get donations, and be there waiting when the Trumplican party collapses.

[TigressDem]

32. I think she isn't done kicking her own party's ass. Let her do that. Help her do that.

Don't ask her to change everything she is.

Just accept that she is strong enough to stand up for Democracy even if she doesn't agree with DEMS on much else.

Kudos where due, but don't ask her to change who she is.

[MOMFUDSKI]

33. When a person shows you who they are -

believe them the first time.

[Hortensis]

37. :) First, most of us know it, but +1 for membership strictly an individual's choice

and not a damned thing those who think it should be a club for their own "tribe" can do about it. We're the LIBERAL party, no accident our members include every group capable of cooperation and respect for others.

Still, gotta be careful what we wish for. Conservatives swarmed the Republican-Democratic Party early in the 19th century, with southern and frontier conservatives taking the Democratic name and turning it into a conservative, pro-slavery party. Late in the century liberals reversed the process and swarmed the bitter nest of conservative anti-Yankee loathing that the Democratic Party had degenerated to and took it back for liberalism and progressivism in government.

I feel we have enough conservatives to consider ourselves a true big tent and that it's a good thing that we have to find ways to satisfy them without being ruled by them. This IS a representative democracy after all. Someone has to act like it, or it won't be.

Liz would be welcome, but god forbid 30M conservatives who decided they wanted a new home followed her.

Worst someday case, though, liberals would establish a new party. Where conservatives tend to be emotionally negatively reactionary, without solid ideological philosophy, and as a result dangerously manipulable, liberals tend to be positive and ideologically solid and stable. No way we would or even could change our ideals for them.

[LeftInTX]

43. We still had the conservatives (the Dixiecrats) with FDR...

It is kinda strange, how they persisted until the 1960's. (Actually they started to break off in 1948)

I feel that Liz will be doing behind the scenes work on policy anyway. Hopefully non-partisan. She may start an effort to reform the GOP, but I don't feel her voice is strong enough.

[Hortensis]

58. Well, of course Southern cons hated the Yankee party of Lincoln

even more than they hated the (mostly ex-Yankee) liberals who took over their broken Democratic Party. They'd been a racist southern Democratic institution for generations by then too and didn't need to leave the party to know themselves for who they were.

I guess we should admit that for all their faults, the southern Democratic faction was both solidly anti-fascist (and of course socialist) and strongly for the New Deal's progressive policies, which aligned them in those critical respects at least with the despised liberal majority. Hitler and American fascist leaders tried to get them to unite as fellow racists, but failed. Then.

I'm sure you're right about that last. What's happening on the right is part of giant RW authoritarian forces once again threatening to swamp many nations now. I'm assuming only a wave of "the people" (millions of conservatives) can reform or replace the Republican Party by rejecting enough of their current leaders for better. If it eventually happens, she should be well positioned to be one of them, though. Hope, hope.

[Gore1FL]

38. She might have to agree with a Democratic policy or two, first. nt

[Bev54]

39. Just Nope

She does not have the values of a democrat - She is not even a moderate republican.

[LeftInTX]

41. She could switch parties, but would never win in Wyoming

However, she might work on the outside with a non-partisan group/reform group like the Lincoln Project or something similar.

As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure she will be doing something on the outside, however I'm not sure what...

She has her pet issues, (national security etc) so I think she will focus on those areas and probably not on other issues

[Emile]

44. Oh hell no. She is in the right party!

[karynnj]

48. I agree that Cheney has shown both integrity and intelligence on the J6 committee,

But she would not WANT to be a Democrat, because on most issues she is not just a Republican, but a conservative one. She not not agree with our big picture, except on some current very important issues nsuch as the rule of law and democracy.

The odd thing is when I first was interested in politics in the 60s, the parties were less ideologically homogeneous. The Democrats ranged from liberals/progressives to the worst Dixiecrats. The Republicans had a similar broad range. Both parties have become more homogeneous, but the shifts are not comparable. Many of the Republicans of today are backing John Birch Society and white supremist policies that were considered fringe in the 1970s and 1980s. If this were 1970, many politicians might be comfortable in either party. Now that might be true only for the most moderate and it might be no Democrat could exist for long in The zrepublican party.

[KentuckyWoman]

49. No thanks

The Republicans just need to fix their own shit. They created this. They need to fix it.

[JHB]

51. There's plenty of room for her, but not for her positions

She's an arch-conservative who only differs with her party about the insurrection and its ongoing attempts to overtly overthrow the electoral process. She's fine with the rest of it -- including the less overt methods of election manipulation (i.e., making it harder for most people to vote).

If she and others no longer feel welcome in a party that they themselves let fall to shit, they don't get to drag their shit into our big tent. They can wash up first. Maybe stop talking about us like we're a pack of monsters. Maybe acknowledge that what even our most leftward members want looks more like the Eisenhower administration than a communist police state -- and that what their current (or recently former) party wants does look like a police state.

No one is stopping her from switching parties. We're just not rolling out a red carpet nor rolling out a welcome wagon.

Tell us how many House and Senate seats rolling those out would get us. Because so many of the rest of us tally those numbers as "none" and potentially creates losses from further spalling off on our side from current supporters who see loud support of those conservatives as betrayal and appeasement.

[Mz Pip]

52. Very anti choice

That’s the red line for me.

She’s made comments saying Democrats kill babies already born. It’s bull s… and she should know it.

[mike_c]

53. she's not a conservative democrat.

She's a conservative republican. I cannot imagine she would bring anything good to democratic politics. I appreciate her stand on Trump, but that's a no brainer for most of us. It's literally the least she can do.

[WarGamer]

54. More Cheney adoration... sigh.

Other than hating Trump, she's still a skunk.

In Fact, I can't give her credit for hating Trump because she's LYING when she talks about "Country over Party and defending Democracy, etc blah blah..."

It's all lies.

She hates Trump because he DESTROYED the Neocon movement that Liz, her Daddy... Shrub, Papa Bush, Bill Kristol, Steve Schmidt and their ilk have been building for 40 years.

Look into the Neocon movement. It was a full court press by some of the most powerful people in the Country... they threw the occasional bone to Christians, the occasional populist grunting but 99.999% of their allegiance was to money and power... and the concept of American Imperialism after the fall of the Soviet Union.

Neocons have caused more pain and destruction in the last 40 years than anyone... Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Libya, Yemen...

They called Obama the "Father of ISIS" when in reality, it was shrub.

F**k neocons and f**k Liz and her Daddy.

[nini]

55. She doesn't agree with the Democrat's policies

We’d have to change our platform for her because she did one right thing?

Hell no.

[Brother Buzz]

56. If she didn't' lose her primary, she could comfortably....

caucus with the Blue Dog Democrats. She's going to be a voice of reason to old school Republicans down the road.

[dsp3000]

57. TOtally okay with more manchins as long as we have more than 50 senators

[RANDYWILDMAN]

59. I give Ron Reagan JR a pass, Liz NO

Her Daddy is a monster and she follows him big time.


Yeah she stood up on one issue, yes a big one, to me she is no better then Romney, she is party first.

[Tom Rinaldo]

60. She is not remotely like a Conservative Democrat.

She is what an extremely conservative Republican was like before Trump: In the "respectable" right wing of what was formally thought of as a "respectable" right wing party. She happens to be sane. She happens to be intelligent. She happens to have integrity and she happens to have courage. I respect all of those things about Liz Cheney, but she isn't remotely a Democrat, and if the party was expanded somehow to include those like her in it it would need a new name. The least common denominator term that includes both Liz Cheney and folks like me would be called "American", or to be a tad more narrow in scope; "principled Americans."

[The Unmitigated Gall]

61. Respectfully...

There doesn’t seem to be room in Liz Cheney for the Democratic Party.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

62. "so long as they vote with the Democrats in the big picture." Lol which Cheney almost never does.

But, if we are a big tent Party, we should not fear opposing viewpoints.

Opposing viewpoints are generally fine if the opposition is how to get to a common goal. People with entirely different goals? Bye.

If some conservatives no longer feel welcome in the Republican Party, where should they go?

That sounds like a problem they'll need to address themselves.

[W_HAMILTON]

63. But Liz Cheney doesn't vote with the Democrats in the big picture.

She seems to be aligned with us when it comes to issues stemming from January 6th, but that's about where it begins and ends.

[d_r]

64. I would say

it is too bad that there isn't room in the republican party for people like Liz Cheney

[kentuck]

65. It seems common-sensical to me that a conservative Democrat in a red state would be better...

...than a right-wing Republican in that state. They are not going to affect the votes of the rest of the Party. I see it as a "bonus" vote on some issues, such as choosing the Speaker or Majority Leader.

I do not understand the theory that they might pollute our philosophy in some manner?

LBJ had a lot of those types of Democrats and he did a pretty good job.

[inthewind21]

69. You are aware her own party

Stripped her of her ranking/positions and made sure she wouldn't be back in congress yes? Republicans WON'T vote for her. They just showed that. I mean good lord, a Cheney lost Wyoming ffs! You think Dems in a red state could carry her? Would it even matter if ALL DEMS voted for her in a solid red state? Nothing common-sensical about that at all. And LBJ, 60 years ago? Looking back to republicans of years gone by and how they behaved is EXACTLY what got us where we are today. "Oh ROE will never get overturned, it's settled law." Oh Republicans would NEVER have the balls to do anything like that, that would be against the will of the people." How's that looking backward worked out so far ?

[Crataegus]

66. Don't be fooled

The common ground between Liz Cheney and the Democratic party is only a sliver. She is just like her daddy. Have we all forgotten who he is? Darth Cheney. A far right Neocon warmonger.
The enemy of our enemy is not necessarily our friend.
Temporary alliances are temporary.

[Handler]

71. Right you are 👍

[867-5309.]

74. The day I find myself in the same party with Liz Cheney...

is the day to reevaluate.