Nord Stream pipelines damaged, gas leaks into Baltic Sea. Looks like sabatage

[Yorkie Mom]

Progression:

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3. Two more Nord Stream pipelines damaged, gas leaks into Baltic Sea.

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6. ⚡️Germany suspects the Nord Stream gas pipeline system was damaged by an act of sabotage, in what would amount to a major escalation in the standoff between Russia and Europe

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7. CIA warned German government of potential attack on Baltic Sea pipelines, Spiegel reports.

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(Reuters) - Denmark's Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen said on Tuesday that leaks detected in the Nord Stream gas pipelines clearly were caused by deliberate actions and could not have been a result of accidents.

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[regnaD kciN]

1. "The Kremlin does not rule out sabotage as a reason behind damage."

...because they're the ones that sabotaged it?

[WarGamer]

2. But they can just close the valve... why destroy their own property?

This isn't just a roadside bomb... this would involve a complex undersea operation.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

5. False Flag op?

Blame someone else and arrest the suspect(s) who would just happen to be Ukr?
Or maybe someone they purport to be a member of a NATO special ops team?
With Putin, who knows how far his depravity goes.

[WarGamer]

6. Possible.

I mean... how many countries have the ability to go down 80-110m undetected and deliver 100kg bombs?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

7. Not that many. nt

[Irish_Dem]

13. Can you speculate about this operation?

What would it entail to plant these bombs?
How difficult would it be?

And who has the capability?

I can speculate, but it would be a lame ass guess compared to a marine combat engineer.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

16. Not sure of the delivery method, probably a sub,

but I can only think of a few countries that would have the capability to pull off such an op,
The US Navy SEALs for one, Britain's SBS or SAS, Russia's Spetsnaz, maybe France's special ops,
China would have the capability, maybe a few other countries, but for the most part, very few countries would have the capability.

It would be a complex operation that few countries have the technology to pull it off.

[Irish_Dem]

18. Yes, I was thinking special ops along the lines of Navy Seals, SAS, RU marine special forces, etc.

(I don't mean they did it but it would require that level of skill and training.)

But wow I wasn't thinking of subs. That certainly narrows down the field.

But a sub doesn't need the Navy special ops unless they are dropping off the seals to do the underwater
planting of bombs?

The sub could just fire a missile?

But certainly NATO and Denmark have radar off their coasts and would detect a sub?
Certainly there would be tight security around the pipelines?

I guess we are going to have to read more about the crime scene, that will tell us how it was done.

The sub part blows my mind.

Because that means the war has now officially spread to NATO and Europe.

[Lurker Deluxe]

25. Would not be a sub

Any of the dozens of boats running around servicing pipelines and/or wellheads have ROVs that can carry payloads in the thousand pound range easily.

Outside of getting the device any boat, Deepwater Diver for example, has the capability to attach or remove something on a pipeline.

There are diving bells that allow welders to function at extreme depths, but more and more it is drones.

This is not that difficult of a task these days ... outside of getting the devise to cause the explosion.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

26. Thanks for that info,

my MOS had nothing to do with underwater projects, all my experience is on dry land operating heavy equipment.

[SergeStorms]

9. Donald Trump could just THINK about....

it exploding at it would be GONE! 💥

Trump still owes Pootie hundreds of millions of dollars. 😉

[SergeStorms]

8. Plausible deniability.

Who, us? Why would we do something like that (other than freezing western Europe into removing sanctions on Russia) and making everyone believe we wouldn't have done that to ourselves?

Sorry. I know that seems far-fetched, but I put nothing past Putin at this stage.

[Yorkie Mom]

3. A cornered Putin is a dangerous Putin.

[Irish_Dem]

14. Yes exactly, he is going to freeze out Europe.

To stop the sanctions and make Zelensky surrender.

[Calculating]

21. Europe isn't going to freeze

Jeez, people can keep the heat at 50 and wear a damn coat.

[Irish_Dem]

27. Putin plays a psychological game of threats, terror, brutality.

That has always been his way.

[Walleye]

4. I only had to think about it for a few minutes to come to that same conclusion

I’m asking myself who would do this.

[hunter]

11. When your drug dealer shoots his own feet...

... to show you what a tough guy he is.

[sarisataka]

12. That is the obvious culprit

But with the inauguration of the Baltic pipe happening at the same time the list of suspects grows.

Means- not many countries have submarines capable of undersea sabotage. Russia is one of the few, along with the US.

Motive- literally dozens of countries could benefit politically or financially from those pipes being put out of commission. .

Opportunity- it would have to be a country that regularly has shipping, or better fishing, in the Baltic so they would not be remarkable to deploy a team of divers. The other possibility is someone with submarines advanced enough to be 100% sure of going undetected.

Not many countries fit the bill to pull such an operation off.

Tom Clancy wrinkle- it can't be said for sure only one country is behind it. Or any country for that matter.

[roamer65]

10. RuZZian sabotage.

Europe is going to go back to burning coal.

Sad, but true.

[Irish_Dem]

15. Like it or not, the war has now spread to NATO and Europe.

[Tomconroy]

17. It obviously was sabotage.

Am I right in believing there are other pipelines that cross eastern Europe by land?
Yup. Don't know what this means:

https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Major_russian_gas_pipelines_to_europe.png

There are gas lines running thru Belarus and Ukraine. I think they are still working despite the war but I'm not certain.

[Xolodno]

19. This wasn't done by Russia.

The entire point of those pipelines was to avoid transit fee's that eat into Russia's profit. And they already had turned off the spigot on both.

If anything, they need those pipelines once a cease fire is declared and some of the sanctions become relaxed. This is a loss of future income that Russia is going to need.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

22. Your whole premise relies on a sane Russian govt,

which, to this point, is not in evidence.

[Tomconroy]

20. Nordstream 2 never started up. Nordstream 1 the rashists shut

down a few weeks ago but now they can't start it up.
Ukraine?????
Russia destroys Ukraine's infrastructure so Ukraine.....

[sarisataka]

23. Russia destroys Ukraine's infrastructure so Ukraine.....

Sabotages the gas lines to Europe?

It hurts Ukraine's supporters more than Russia.

[Tomconroy]

24. I'm just speculating. I have no idea.