Police in San Bernardino, California say they shot and killed a 15-YEAR-OLD KIDNAPPING VICTIM

[Nevilledog]

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Judd Legum
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Sep 27, 2022
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This story is insane.

Police in San Bernardino, California say they shot and killed a 15-YEAR-OLD KIDNAPPING VICTIM

According to the police she was wearing "tactical gear" and "ran toward deputies."

vvdailypress.com
Authorities fatally shoot Amber Alert suspect in Hesperia, injured teen transported to hospital
Anthony John Graziano, 45, was pronounced dead at the scene after he fired multiple rounds at law enforcement from his fleeing car, officials said.

There was an AMBER ALERT issued for the 15-year-old.

Police are saying "the girl may have fired back at the deputies." But that seems unlikely as "only one AR-15-type rifle was found at the scene."

And her kidnapper was firing at the cops.

The girl, Savanna Graziano, "was abducted by her father, Anthony Graziano, after he shot and killed the girl's mother during a domestic violence-related incident Monday morning"

foxla.com
15-year-old at center of Amber Alert killed in shootout between deputies, suspect on 15 Freeway
Savanna Graziano, the 15-year-old girl at the center of an Amber Alert, was killed during a shootout between deputies and the alleged kidnapping suspect. The suspect, Anthony Graziano, was also...

Police are being pretty cagey about what happened: "This investigation is going to take at least 24 hours before we're able to provide you with more information as to what happened and exactly what the circumstances are as it relates to the officer-involved situation"
5:49 PM · Sep 27, 2022

https://www.foxla.com/news/amber-alert-girl-killed-in-shootout-sbsd-15-freeway

[brush]

1. Shoot first, ask questions later. So often with cops.

[MustLoveBeagles]

2. Omg!

[IcyPeas]

3. There was a press conference about 90 minutes ago, it was said she was shooting too

[Nevilledog]

4. But they only found one gun and he was shooting it

[Kaleva]

12. According to reports, he was shooting while driving

[Nevilledog]

14. She was shot and killed running away from dad and towards cops.

She was not in the vehicle when she was shot.

[Kaleva]

16. I didn't read any report she was running away from her dad

You are assuming she did that.

[Nevilledog]

18. Cops said she was running towards them. Nobody says dad was also running.

Not sure that's an assumption, but I guess we'll only find out what happened if there's bodycam or bystander video.

I don't tend to give a lot of weight to purely cop driven accounts.

[Kaleva]

20. I don't give a lot of weight to tweets either

I think it best to wait till more information becomes available. Right now, people are believing what fits their agenda

[Nevilledog]

24. First video I've seen

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"The kidnapping victim was wearing tactical gear, you can't blame the cops for executing her"

It seems counter-productive to respond to an Amber Alert by shooting up the car with the 15-year-old kidnapping victim inside it


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And this is on the freeway overpass not even near the side of the freeway it happened on. Deputies were shooting FROM the overpass down into the car. I’m surprised no one else was hit. There’s a video from the Golden Corral which is closer to the white truck
6:31 PM · Sep 27, 2022

Haven't seen the Golden Corral video yet

I think they were shooting of the overpass on the left

From the first article:

At a Tuesday press conference, San Bernardino County Sheriff Shannon Dicus said the teenage girl exited the passenger side of the vehicle wearing tactical gear and ran toward deputies when she was shot by deputies while Graziano was dead in the truck.

[tishaLA]

8. may have been

the sheriff's department's statements are super sus though. They want me to believe that a 15 year old who's been kidnapped after her mother was killed decides to turn into Bonnie Parker? And how much you wanna bet there's no body cam footage? The best we can hope for is a bystander capturing some of it on call phone.

[sheshe2]

9. Liars!

[70sEraVet]

5. This is one of those stories that will get more depressing as more info comes out

Like the Uvalde shooting.

[FSogol]

6. "This investigation is going to take at least 24 hours before we get our stories straight."

[2naSalit]

27. +1

[Mike Nelson]

7. So sad...

... I recall seeing the Amber Alert for her on the phone (I'm in California). Same photo... so horrifying... the family, the police... just 15... RIP...

[Scottie Mom]

10. San Bernardino PD... I'm shocked...

...NOT!!!

The Inland Empire.

[questionseverything]

11. Stuff like this makes it nearly impossible not to hate cops

[Kaleva]

13. Was the girl taken by force or did she go with her father willingly?

[Nevilledog]

15. Dad killed mom. Took girl. Obviously somebody told cops she was taken.

[Kaleva]

17. Cops responded to reports of gunfire

I didn't read any reports that witnesses said the girl was taken by force

[Nevilledog]

19. They got the info from somebody to issue an Amber Alert that she wad kidnapped.

[Kaleva]

22. Amber alerts can be issued if it's believed a child is in grave danger

It doesn't have to be a forced abduction.

[Effete Snob]

25. That's not the question

The word “kidnapped” does not mean what you think it means.

If you do not have the authority to take a child somewhere and you do so, then you are engaged in kidnapping.

That has nothing to do with whether the child wanted to go with you or not.

Obviously there are a lot of unknown facts in this situation.

[Nevilledog]

26. I know what kidnapped means. I've done several kidnapping trials thru the years.

[Effete Snob]

30. Okay

https://abc7.com/hesperia-shootout-amber-alert-fontana/12276351/

Graziano, 45, had moved out of the family's home a month or two before the mother's killing, as the couple went through a divorce, Fontana police Sgt. Christian Surgent told The Associated Press and confirmed to ABC7. Savannah Graziano left with her father, while her younger brother stayed with their mother.

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Neither parent was on probation or parole at the time and investigators believe Savannah was being home-schooled while she lived with her father, whom police said liked to camp out in the desert and mountains in his pickup truck.

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[Nevilledog]

31. So you're saying the girl went with the dad to kill her mother?

[Effete Snob]

34. I doubt that

I'm saying that when you look at the night sky and you see several points of light, you can draw a lot of pictures around those points.

It might be a dipper, a bear or a wagon.

However, a lot of the social media commentary appears to be based on a picture in which the girl was taken hostage against her will and was shot while fleeing her captor. There is a high level of "social media certainty" around that scenario.

Now, obviously, this is not a man who should have been in charge of the care of any minor at all. The notion that he was "homeschooling" her, and that she apparently chose to live with a man with murderous tendencies, is a set of points around which some very ugly pictures might be drawn, such as of what that "homeschooling" may have consisted - or what was driving the marital disharmony in the first place.

[Nevilledog]

35. The problem is exacerbated by narratives being set by the cops.

I haven't read anything by other family members. I think that would be enlightening, at least to understand the family dynamics.

I wonder how heavily edited body cam footage will be, if/when it's released.

[Effete Snob]

36. I'm not sure body cam footage is going to be all that helpful

From the looks of things, it doesn't seem like the shooting occurred at close range.

[Nevilledog]

37. I've seen two videos

One was from the inside of a restaurant....I did a search for San Bernardino police shooting and a fuckton of OTHER San Bernardino police shootings popped up... Yikes.

I'm quite frankly shocked that a million videos by bystanders aren't showing up.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

21. FTP.

[ripcord]

23. Why would anyone post a Twitter story that was so wrong?

This never came near San Bernardino, it began in Kramer Junction, proceeded across the 58 freeway and down the 15 ending in Heserpia. The agency involved was San Bernardino County Sheriff and they followed the suspect for 45 miles taking accurate fire from the truck most of the way, this is why they think the daughter might have been shooting, have you considered the logistics of driving a pickup at freeway speeds while firing an AR-15 rifle well enough to put holes in one cruisers windshield and disabling another? They also won't know who shot the 15 year old girl until they do an autopsy, the father was firing also and could have very well killed her. I don't think you could have found less factual, more biased report of this incident if you tried.

[uncle ray]

28. "I don't think you could have found less factual, more biased report of this incident if you tried."

well, who knows, maybe someone might parrot some police talking points.

[BlackSkimmer]

32. Thank you.

I never stop being amazed at how people believe anything posted on twitter. No matter how many times the tweets are proven wrong.

[Joinfortmill]

29. WTHH?

[Torchlight]

33. Man, this is an absolute tragedy.

These worst-case incidents jar my own balance pretty badly, I can''t come close to imagining the weight of despair on Savanna's grandparents.

[Eugene]

38. Cops Who Described Amber Alert Teen As A Threat To Officers Under Review For Her Killing

Cops Who Described Amber Alert Teen As A Threat To Officers Under Review For Her Killing (HuffPost)

San Bernardino County Sheriff Shannon Dicus initially said that the minor, 15-year-old Savannah Graziano, had likely been shooting at deputies and was clad in “tactical gear.”

But on Wednesday, the department turned over its investigation to state authorities, as is required to do when an unarmed civilian is shot and killed by law enforcement.

The state’s attorney general’s office believes Savannah was likely unarmed, the Los Angeles Times reported Thursday. The office confirmed in a statement that it was reviewing the incident in accordance with Assembly Bill 1506, a 2020 law covering officer-involved shootings.

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The entire tragic incident has attracted controversy on social media after a local news station credulously recounted the sheriff’s version of events, describing the likelihood that Savannah was unarmed as a “stunning new twist.” It sparked renewed discussion on whether news media is generally too deferential to law enforcement, as it remains unclear whether Savannah was actually leaping out of the truck in order to seek help from the police when they ― perhaps mistakenly ― shot her.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/cops-who-described-amber-alert-teen-as-a-threat-to-officers-under-review-for-her-killing_n_63385f4de4b04cf8f3634a39