Should be a bigger story..

[cilla4progress]

Iranian women

Link to tweet

?t=jGOJx-cytjkzEDHHapgw_g&s=19

Fighting anti-Fascism just as Ukrainians are!

Slava Ukraine!

This is a worldwide movement.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

1. Thank you for posting this

[50 Shades Of Blue]

2. Chills! K & R!

[cilla4progress]

3. Yes - goosebumps all the way through!

Feminine power is audacious.

Listened to a great NY Times podcast this morning on The Daily.

Catch it if you can!

[Irish_Dem]

4. Why would Iranian men want to keep such beautiful, vibrant, intelligent women all covered up?

[niyad]

7. Fear, self-loathing, and a belief system that says women are evil.

[Irish_Dem]

10. They cannot control themselves around such wonderful women.

It must be the women's fault.

So they keep them covered up, or segregated into back rooms out of sight.

[Probatim]

15. As Jeebus once said - if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out.

If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off.

I wish christians in this country would read those passages. They might be more liberal and tolerant than they are currently.

[Irish_Dem]

18. These are parables about personal responsibility.

When it comes to women, some men cannot take responsibility for their own behavior.

It is always the woman's fault. In my work I interviewed rapists who would typically tell me the 3 yr old they raped was "asking for it."

Same with the abortion issue.
Men are half the equation in terms of reproduction.
But there are no limits, laws, restrictions on them at all.
The incels want rape to be legal.

[Whiskeytide]

62. Or at least blind and unable to pick their noses. n/t

[Probatim]

63. Your esteem for them matches mine.

Or as my aunt once said to a co-worker - there's nothing you can do to lower my expectations of you.

[wnylib]

19. I asked a local Muslim leader once why

women are segregated from men in mosque worship. He said that women would be a distraction to men when they wish to focus on spiritual matters and not on material or physical things.

I left it at that. Did not say what I was thinking about the seeming lack of self control that his explanation implied.

[Irish_Dem]

29. Yes this makes men look very weak and out of control.

Also men blowing up the world is quite a distraction to women, in a bad way.

But women don't put men in shameful clothing and hide them away in back rooms.

[Random Boomer]

46. If only we could

Based on the state of the world today, we'd all be better off.

[Irish_Dem]

53. Men have been in control for 6 million years. They deserve a nice time out/vacation.

Women will take over for awhile.

[grantcart]

23. They don't

The division in Iran is less based on sex than urban/rural and generational.

Young urban makes in Iran reflect similar values as young urban American males. In fact there are pretty clear similarities between America's rural with it's militant Christianity and Iran's militant Islam, both are tied inexorably to an imperialistic nationalism.

Something like 60% of Iran is under the age of 30.

Compared to Saudi Arabia Iranian have much more liberty and freedom. A colorful scarf is required versus SA where a woman is expected to wear a burka or similar attire and only in the presence of male relatives. Iranian women can go to University, become professors and so on

We should advocate for Iranian women but our silence on the oppression of Saudi women is unconscionable.

It is hard to imagine Iran not changing with the generational numbers that exist. It is hard to see how Saudi changes from it's murderous misogyny without external pressure.

[Irish_Dem]

28. Then why are Iranian women rioting?

If the men are not trying to subjugate and humiliate them?

[JI7]

31. The women are not rioting. They are protesting. And MOST men don't support forcing

the hijab on them. Men supporting the women have also been killed in these protests.

[Irish_Dem]

33. 100% certain someone in Iran is threatened by women.

Women don't riot and die for no good reason.

[JI7]

35. The women aren't rioting. They are protesting . And I said MOST men. I didn't say 100 percent of men

Men that support the women are also dying in the protests .

[Irish_Dem]

36. Not buying it. If men want women to be free, they would be free.

Men have the power and they won't use it.

[JI7]

39. lol, Millions more supported Hillary Clinton for President but we still got Trump . This simplistic

non sense ignores the power structures of the country and how they have been denied freedoms decades .

Most people of the country are also young .

Do you think they have a real democracy ?

The revolutionary guards are a terrorist group that controls the country and terrorizes the population.

[Irish_Dem]

41. Men have the power to free women across the globe and they refuse to do it.

Men have subjugated women for 6 millions years, most people just take it for granted.

Just like whites have the power to stop cops from killing POC.
But they refuse to do so.

[JI7]

43. Too simplstiic . Look at the woman elected in Italy recently .

[kcr]

51. There it is

This comment is telling. There is nothing more simplistic than "Women are bad, too!"

[JI7]

54. I didn't say it was equal.

[kcr]

55. If you don't think it's equal

then why is it even relevant in this discussion? Women are oppressed in Iraq, and it's happening for reasons that are clear to the protesters and anyone else paying attention.

[JI7]

58. Because this is about Iran and most young men are also protesting

Follow the conversation.

[kcr]

59. The fact that men are also protesting

Does not change the circumstances of the oppression or why it's happening. Not one little bit. I don't think I'm the one with the problem following conversations.

[JI7]

60. No, it's important to know details because majority of white women supported Trump

in the US. Majority of non white men did not support Trump.

So if we want to actually make changes we need to know details.

Young men in Iran are more liberal than Muslim women in other countries.

[kcr]

61. There is nothing wrong with knowing the details

But part of knowing the details is knowing how they factor in the overall picture. Oppression is structural and systemic, not individualistic. That's why a majority of young men don't support it and yet it still exists

[iemanja]

47. Because the ultra conservative men control Iran

Not the younger, more liberal ones.

[PaulnFortWorth]

48. Iran Is A Theocracy Controlled By "HOLY" Men...

who decided women are secondary to their culture.

[grantcart]

45. You will note that the demonstrations are heavily populated with young urban men.

The split is more rural men/women who support the patriarchy and urban men/women who support modernization.

A similar dichotomy exists in Turkey and the US.

In Turkey the rural population revolted AGAINST the prohibition of wearing hijab by the secular government and installed Turkey's first theocratic government.

In the rural Midwest and the South efforts to restrict women's reproductive rights are frequently led by women with support from outside the cities.

In AZ Kari Lake is only 3% behind Hobbs even though she is advocating completely criminalizing abortion. She will lose Phoenix and Tucson by 20-30 points. She will win the rural areas by a similar percentage.

Characterizing this as men versus women ignores is a two dimensional view missing a much greater sociological/generational movement.

The more interesting question is why those urban/rural divisions are not being seen in Saudi Arabia.

[JI7]

30. Most don't. In fact most of the men in Iran support the women protesting. And most people in Iran do

not consider themselves to be Muslim .

[Irish_Dem]

32. 100% certain someone sees women as a threat in Iran.

The women are not rioting and being killed for nothing.

[JI7]

34. I said MOST . I didn't say 100 percent of men oppose it

[Irish_Dem]

38. Men have the power to free women from subjugation and they refuse to do it.

If enough men put their foot down, the powers that be would back off.

[JI7]

40. What bs. Do you think the country is a real free Democracy ? The country is ruled by a terrorist

group that oppresses the population .

[Irish_Dem]

42. My point exactly. Americans allow psychopaths to be in control of our country.

Americans allow women to be subjugated, killed and imprisoned over reproductive rights.

Americans allow POC to be killed by cops.

Americans allow other Americans to be constantly slaughter by gun violence.

[JI7]

44. So why are you allowing it ?

[WheelWalker]

5. The task is global... and urgent. Time is of the essence.

[Quakerfriend]

6. Wow, that was beautiful & very powerful.

Thanks for posting!

[evolves]

8. Now the Italians just

elected another fascist.

[niyad]

11. We used to say that a feminist nightmare was that the US would finally have

a woman president and vice president. . only they would be phyllis schlafly and anita bryant.

[fierywoman]

9. And, ironically, the Italians just elected a fascist woman to run their country.

[ancianita]

16. Fascists do not consider women equal, so unironically, she is their token face. Their tool.

She'll probably hire Bannon as her dirty tricks adviser.

[erronis]

20. Yes. Bannon has wanted a monestary in Italy asa fascist training camp

[ancianita]

21. Yeah. That nice christo-fascist touch.

And one can't miss the Mussolini optics!

[PaulnFortWorth]

50. Who's In Charge Here?

The photo shows the men celebrating while she meekly stands there letting them do and say whatever. She is ALLOWED to be the "leader" as long as she does what she's told.

Just a fascist woman who knows her place and is grateful to the men who put her in place.

[ancianita]

57. Same question applies in the states.

[Joinfortmill]

12. The struggle for equality for women worldwide continues.

[Lonestarblue]

13. The global right wing has been trying to turn women into second- and third-class citizens

for decades. In Iran, we see the results of extremist religion that denies women the same rights as men to live their lives as they choose. The religious right in the US is trying to do the same. I want to support Iranian women i their struggles for freedom. How do I do that?

[cilla4progress]

14. I want to know as well, Lonestar.

One thing I can right now is amplify their voices.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

17. Antifa look and sound better than the depictions yelled by NatC, fascist Republicans.

Roe, Roe, Roe your vote
against theocracy!
Republicans revoke your rights
and kill democracy!

THESE are the races that will determine control of the House of Representatives:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217192221

Stick 'em up for a blue wave: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217078977

[DinahMoeHum]

22. Ukrainian women, too

Link to tweet

[Kali]

24. I heard this yesterday

either on Democracy Now! or just on the radio itself...beautiful.

[NJCher]

25. glad you posted this

I watched an interview with an Iranian woman last night on one of the news shows, but I can't remember which one. The woman had voluminous hair and red glasses. Did anyone else see it? Maybe there's a clip available. I'd like to post it on this thread.

I've been researching Iranian women and I found this noted scholar, Nikki Keddie, who has studied them all of her academic career. She has numerous books out on the topic. I believe she is now a Professor Emeritus at UCLA. Here is a 16-page .pdf called "Women in the Middle East."

http://nikkikeddie.com/media/nk.auto.pdf

I only got about halfway through it but am excited about finishing it. Prof. Keddie writes in a very personal way, and it was very interesting to read how she got into researching Iranian women.

In addition, on her web page, there are links to other research/writing she has done on Iranian women:

http://nikkikeddie.com/n-keddie/writings/autobiographical-chapters-171

I particularly liked the photo gallery.

I wish the news media would interview Prof. Keddie on this important topic. In fact, they should do an hour-long show on the subject.

In my evening classes I would often get Iranian women. They were so intelligent, classy, and charming. I just loved having them in my classes.

[cilla4progress]

26. Interesting

Thanks.

[tirebiter]

27. I wouldn't join an anti shah protest back in the 70s

Because I saw no improvement in a religious revolution. I was lectured a few years back that I wasn’t culturally sensitive when I questioned the need to force women to wear the hijab. It’s not because I’m all that conservative. I’m a hippy is what it was and is.

[JI7]

37. I think the people in Iran have learned . And Majority in Iran don't consider themselves Muslim now

[Evolve Dammit]

49. Thank you for this post. "This machine kills fascists." Woody Guthrie's guitar

[Jack the Greater]

52. From Wikipedia: A possible origin of the melody was identified by researcher Fausto Giovannardi

A possible origin of the melody was identified by researcher Fausto Giovannardi, following the discovery of a Yiddish melody (Koilen song) recorded by a Klezmer accordionist of Ukrainian origin, Mishka Ziganoff, in 1919 in New York.

[Zilli]

56. I see the media corporate overlords as terrified of female power

and in support of fascism. This will most likely have little traction on MSM and FQX will vilify and demonize this if any attention at all is given to it.
This made me have goosebumps too.

[scipan]

64. Lyrics of the Italian partisan version per Wikipedia

One morning I awakened,
oh bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao, ciao, ciao! (Goodbye beautiful)
One morning I awakened
And I found the invader.

Oh partisan carry me away,
oh bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao, ciao, ciao
oh partisan carry me away
Because I feel death approaching.

And if I die as a partisan,
oh bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao, ciao, ciao
and if I die as a partisan
then you must bury me.

Bury me up in the mountain,
oh bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao, ciao, ciao
bury me up in the mountain
under the shade of a beautiful flower.

And all those who shall pass,
oh bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao, ciao, ciao
and all those who shall pass
will tell me "what a beautiful flower."

This is the flower of the partisan,
oh bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao, ciao, ciao
this is the flower of the partisan
who died for freedom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bella_ciao

Not exactly rabble rousing. But nice sentiment.

[burrowowl]

65. Big K&R!