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Coventina

(27,169 posts)
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 03:49 PM Sep 2022

It is with a very heavy heart, I announce the death of my 99 year old grandmother

Life-long Democrat.

WW2 Widow.
Grew up in the Great Depression.

She was more my mother than my "real" mother was.

I am so wrecked right now. I don't know how to live in a world that doesn't have her in it.

I should have known she wouldn't live forever, but for whatever reason, I thought she would.

I'm really struggling with a lot. My "go-to" stage of grief is anger, and I'm really trying not to hate my dad, who I feel killed her.
2 weeks in hospice with no food or water, just morphine. Does that seem right to you?
He insisted her DNR said no feeding or hydration, but TWO WEEKS!?!?!

Anyway, the world is a sadder place without her.

We've lost a wonderful Democrat, and a great lady.

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It is with a very heavy heart, I announce the death of my 99 year old grandmother (Original Post) Coventina Sep 2022 OP
RIP Ohio Joe Sep 2022 #1
I'm so sorry, Coventina Solly Mack Sep 2022 #2
I'm so very sorry for your loss. StarryNite Sep 2022 #3
This is such a sorrowful time! In time, you'll be happy for all the time you had with her. RIP Karadeniz Sep 2022 #4
Please accept my sincere condolences. Hugin Sep 2022 #5
RIP to your dear grandma. Elessar Zappa Sep 2022 #6
RIP H2O Man Sep 2022 #7
hugs to you Coventina Skittles Sep 2022 #8
Thank you, Skittles, I was actually thinking of you. Coventina Sep 2022 #13
oh I remember that! Skittles Sep 2022 #25
Oh my gosh, Skittles, what a great tribute to her. Coventina Sep 2022 #27
aw shucks Skittles Sep 2022 #61
What an absolutely lovely angel of a woman renate Sep 2022 #49
Describes both my grandmother and Skittles! Coventina Sep 2022 #70
I am so sorry, Coventina. She sounds like a woman I truly regret not meeting. hlthe2b Sep 2022 #9
May your good memories with her quickly overwhelm the pain you feel now. Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2022 #10
❤️ ✿❧🌿❧✿ ❤️ Lucinda Sep 2022 #72
I'm sorry for your loss, Coventina. LuckyCharms Sep 2022 #11
So sorry for your loss. greatauntoftriplets Sep 2022 #12
I'm sorry for your loss. Nevilledog Sep 2022 #14
Peace, Coventina world wide wally Sep 2022 #15
I'm so sorry for your loss! awknid2 Sep 2022 #19
Deepest sympathy malaise Sep 2022 #16
I'm so sorry for your loss. Yorkie Mom Sep 2022 #17
Very sorry for your loss Maeve Sep 2022 #18
First, I am so very sorry for your loss. I also deeply loved my grandmother, so I can imagine pnwmom Sep 2022 #20
Thank you for posting this. My mother had a terrible time swallowing at the end of her life. It skylucy Sep 2022 #53
I back Rebl2 Sep 2022 #68
My husband was his mother's person, so I went through that with him. pnwmom Sep 2022 #78
Coventina, your dad made the right call Random Boomer Oct 2022 #108
Very sorry for your loss Picaro Sep 2022 #21
So sorry. we can do it Sep 2022 #22
... Aristus Sep 2022 #23
So sorry. scarletlib Sep 2022 #24
Coventina I'm sorry you lost your grandmother! Emile Sep 2022 #26
Deepest condolences 💓💓💓 SheltieLover Sep 2022 #28
Please accept my deepest sympathy and condolences on your loss. Kid Berwyn Sep 2022 #29
I am very sorry for your loss of your grandmother Meowmee Sep 2022 #30
My condolences. I still miss my grandmothers so much and they've been gone for decades. OMGWTF Sep 2022 #31
I am so sorry for your loss. redstatebluegirl Sep 2022 #32
I was raised by my grandparents, and even though it has been years since they've passed, 70sEraVet Sep 2022 #33
When my dad was in a hospice home, actively dying SheltieLover Sep 2022 #34
Same thing here greblach Sep 2022 #51
They never told us that, but my dad had a brain bleed. SheltieLover Sep 2022 #59
One beautiful thing greblach Sep 2022 #73
Awwwww. SheltieLover Sep 2022 #74
My mother lost the ability to chew at 93. grantcart Oct 2022 #104
Sorry to hear. SheltieLover Oct 2022 #111
Sorry to hear this. Jim__ Sep 2022 #35
My deepest condolences to you virgdem Sep 2022 #36
May your grandmother Rest in Peace and May her Memory be a Blessing. iluvtennis Sep 2022 #37
So sorry Coventina! Hugh_Lebowski Sep 2022 #38
My heart is heavy for you. alwaysinasnit Sep 2022 #39
So sorry for you. usonian Sep 2022 #40
If she was there for two weeks, she was being hydrated Warpy Sep 2022 #41
No, I was there, with her in the hospice. Nothing by mouth, nothing by IV. Coventina Sep 2022 #43
Understood, it's how I felt Warpy Sep 2022 #56
Cessation of food and water is actually a very gently way to die. Ms. Toad Sep 2022 #97
I'm so sorry for your loss Wicked Blue Sep 2022 #42
I am so sorry. murielm99 Sep 2022 #44
Sending love MLAA Sep 2022 #45
I'm so sorry for your loss, Coventina. mia Sep 2022 #46
I'm so sorry for your loss, Coventina wendyb-NC Sep 2022 #47
My deepest condolences. sinkingfeeling Sep 2022 #48
Condolences Higherarky Sep 2022 #50
I am so very sorry for your loss of this truly remarkable woman. niyad Sep 2022 #52
... MiHale Sep 2022 #54
Condolences, Coventina gademocrat7 Sep 2022 #55
My condolences. I lost my mom two weeks ago tomorrow. forgotmylogin Sep 2022 #57
Sorry for your loss and so pleased that you all meant so much to each other ... marble falls Sep 2022 #58
I'm so sorry, and at the same time see you as wonderfully Hortensis Sep 2022 #60
As a former hospice flying_wahini Sep 2022 #62
I am so sorry, but I understand that when someone lives that long, i TNNurse Sep 2022 #63
RIP and condolences to you and your family Celerity Sep 2022 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Sep 2022 #65
I'm so sorry for your loss, Coventina. brer cat Sep 2022 #66
(((hugs))) samnsara Sep 2022 #67
I'm so sorry dflprincess Sep 2022 #69
I have always thought withholding sustenance like that for weeks is cruel. boston bean Sep 2022 #71
It isn't withholding as much as following the dying person's lead. pnwmom Sep 2022 #79
Holding you in the light (n/t) KatK Sep 2022 #75
I am sorry for your loss mercuryblues Sep 2022 #76
I'm very sorry for your loss. samsingh Sep 2022 #77
Please accept my condolences. n/t malthaussen Sep 2022 #80
My deepest condolences on the loss of your beloved grandmother, Coventina. Niagara Sep 2022 #81
My condolences. OldBaldy1701E Sep 2022 #82
I'm so sorry for your loss bluecollar2 Sep 2022 #83
I'm so sorry for your loss bluecollar2 Sep 2022 #84
May I share a quote from our President, soldierant Sep 2022 #85
These words. Rebl2 Sep 2022 #87
I'm so sorry cate94 Sep 2022 #86
I'm so sorry, Coventina. highplainsdem Sep 2022 #88
I'm so sorry for your loss. No matter how well you prepare, MerryBlooms Sep 2022 #89
I'm sorry for your loss. Ms. Toad Sep 2022 #90
Weep Snoopy 7 Sep 2022 #91
Oh, Coventina, I can feel the pain in your words. hamsterjill Sep 2022 #92
Heartfelt condolence to you Coventina. Remember all of your good days with her. n/t SheilaAnn Sep 2022 #93
I'm sorry for your loss. area51 Sep 2022 #94
I am so sorry UpInArms Sep 2022 #95
Aw, Coventina, here's a hug: calimary Sep 2022 #96
Just a few days ago, a different thread on a family loss used... 3catwoman3 Oct 2022 #98
I'm so sorry Raine Oct 2022 #99
I'm so sorry... CaptainTruth Oct 2022 #100
🌸 Donkees Oct 2022 #101
I am so sorry... Trueblue Texan Oct 2022 #102
May your grandmother rest in peace💜 Heather MC Oct 2022 #103
I am so sorry pandr32 Oct 2022 #105
Our Condolences (nt) ProfessorGAC Oct 2022 #106
My sympathies on your loss. -nt CrispyQ Oct 2022 #107
... spanone Oct 2022 #109
Don't blame your dad. Liberty Belle Oct 2022 #110
My deepest condolences, Coventina. Laffy Kat Oct 2022 #112

Hugin

(33,189 posts)
5. Please accept my sincere condolences.
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 03:53 PM
Sep 2022

She sounds like a wonderful person.

So much history to experience.

Elessar Zappa

(14,033 posts)
6. RIP to your dear grandma.
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 03:53 PM
Sep 2022

I dread the day when mine passes. If it helps at all, I was a CNA and we were always taught that the removal of food and hydration at that stage doesn’t increase a person’s suffering. One elderly man at my hospital survived 21 days with no food or hydration and he seemed at peace the entire time.

My sympathies are with you during these difficult times.

Skittles

(153,185 posts)
8. hugs to you Coventina
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 03:54 PM
Sep 2022

try to remember how lucky you were to have that wonderful woman in your life for so long

Coventina

(27,169 posts)
13. Thank you, Skittles, I was actually thinking of you.
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 03:57 PM
Sep 2022

A few years ago, I mentioned her donating $50 to a food bank on this board.
She survived on SS and her War Widow's pension.
(We paid as many of her expenses as she would allow us).

I remember you responded to the thread saying you were making a donation in her honor.
I can't tell you how much that warmed my heart.

Skittles

(153,185 posts)
25. oh I remember that!
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 04:09 PM
Sep 2022

she wished she could have given more so I told you to tell her she inspired me to donate to my local food bank and I promptly made that donation! Before that I had made sporadic donations to them but that made me become a regular donor.....I also donate the gas money I save from working from home (pandemic) to that food bank

renate

(13,776 posts)
49. What an absolutely lovely angel of a woman
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 05:01 PM
Sep 2022

That act of profound kindness and beautiful generosity will live on in the memories of all of us here.

I am so very, very sorry for your loss.

hlthe2b

(102,343 posts)
9. I am so sorry, Coventina. She sounds like a woman I truly regret not meeting.
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 03:54 PM
Sep 2022

I'm also saddened that your own pain is so elevated by the manner in which she died, but which cannot be changed.

I only hope that you can focus on her and the good memories. Thinking of you, just as you've caused me to think back to my own dear grandmother--gone so many years but still dearly missed.

Let her watch over you now.

LuckyCharms

(17,455 posts)
11. I'm sorry for your loss, Coventina.
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 03:56 PM
Sep 2022

Lost my mom when she was 94.

Mom's death was, in a few ways, similar to your grandmother's.

No matter their age, it hits very very hard.

Your grandmother sounds like a great woman.

Don't deny your feelings. You feel like you feel. I still have a lot of anger towards family members due to their actions during my mom's death, so I can relate to your feelings.

You will feel better. Roll with it the best you can.

awknid2

(5 posts)
19. I'm so sorry for your loss!
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 04:04 PM
Sep 2022

She sounds a lot like my Mom was. I hope you will pick up the Democratic mantle for her and try to be like she was. It will be a while before you feel better, but you will! Just keep her in your heart and you'll do fine!

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
20. First, I am so very sorry for your loss. I also deeply loved my grandmother, so I can imagine
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 04:06 PM
Sep 2022

how you feel

Second, with regard to your dad, I hope you can find a way to forgive him.

My understanding is that the dying person suffers less if they DON'T get even water. And so that's not an uncommon thing to have in a DNR.

Here's something about that.

In a situation when the appetite has decreased, family members may become distressed. It is not uncommon for them to force food or fluid upon their loved ones, since eating is seen as a sign of good health. However, hospice nutrition guidelines discourage family members from taking such measures. In fact, forcing them to eat or drink will actually result in a variety of unwanted and uncomfortable side effects, including:

shortness of breath
nausea
vomiting
digestive problems
aspiration

How can we determine how much food a patient can consume, when the metabolism slows down? It’s simple, we observe the patient’s natural signs of hunger. End of life nutrition should be offered in a manner that listens to the patient. Offer them food and water only when they request it. These behaviors will be an indication that they are hungry or thirsty. They know their bodies and know when food and water are needed.

Do hospices prevent patients from eating and drinking? No. It is the patient who determines whether eating and drinking should be stopped. Many family members may visit and note that the patient is eating less, and assume that hospice is the cause of this change. The truth is that it is the patient who makes that decision. So, when a hospice agency denies you the right to provide food or fluids to the patient, they are simply ensuring there are no further complications added to the list.
https://hospicevalley.com/does-food-and-water-stop-when-in-hospice-care/

skylucy

(3,740 posts)
53. Thank you for posting this. My mother had a terrible time swallowing at the end of her life. It
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 05:10 PM
Sep 2022

would set off awful coughing and breathlessness etc. She was in her 90's and did not want her suffering prolonged. Hospice was so kind and helped us make the right decisions at the end. She went peacefully and without pain. She ate very little at the end, but she was so much more comfortable than when food was being forced on her. I feel so bad for Coventina because she obviously loved her grandmother dearly and is in deep mourning, but I hope she takes your words to heart.

The Hospice folks are such angels. I miss my mother and think of her every single day, but I know that her passing was made so much easier by Hospice.

Rebl2

(13,544 posts)
68. I back
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 05:55 PM
Sep 2022

you on everything you say about hospice. I went through this last year with my my Dad. Cleared it with both my sisters and they agreed to put him on hospice. He still ate and drank, but it became more difficult as time went on. I, being the one in charge of his healthcare decisions, I eventually had to enforce the DNR after he had a massive stroke. Once you sign those hospice papers, and something like this happens, I felt there was no going back. Even though my sisters questioned me about having the nursing home take him to the hospital, I said I had to honor his wishes in his will and the DNR. I also reminded them he’s 92 and do you really want that for him. They agreed. I knew he had been miserable the last six years of his life and they knew it too. It’s a hard decision to make. It still bothers me, but I was just following his wishes. Like I said, I watched him go downhill, really the last ten years of his life. It was difficult because you remember how they took care of you, provided for you. Once you are in charge of an elderly person’s healthcare you have to make the hard decisions. My sisters chose me to do that. They had their chance to do so, but they chose me and it has taken a toll on my mental and physical health. I am thankful my husband is here to help me through all of this. I also hope she can find a way to forgive him. I am sure he did not take the decision lightly. I sure didn’t. 🕊

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
78. My husband was his mother's person, so I went through that with him.
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 06:57 PM
Sep 2022

And what we read at the time gave us some peace. I hope it can help Coventina (and you -- I know it's an ongoing process, especially when other relatives have different ideas. We were lucky to not have that happen.)

Random Boomer

(4,168 posts)
108. Coventina, your dad made the right call
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 01:48 PM
Oct 2022

Seriously, read the explanation that pnwmom supplied to understand why. Your anger is understandable, but misplaced.

Kid Berwyn

(14,951 posts)
29. Please accept my deepest sympathy and condolences on your loss.
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 04:17 PM
Sep 2022

From you and your words I know she was remarkable human being, Coventina.

May you find peace and the strength to continue heading forward.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
30. I am very sorry for your loss of your grandmother
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 04:21 PM
Sep 2022

It is very painful to lose the people we count on most.

What you described is very common sadly. The hospital harassed us non stop to kill my father for a month by stopping treatment and giving him opiates etc. It is called hospice in hospital or something like that. They were the ones that put him into a life threatening state as well by drugging and restraining him with no food for 30 hours, giving him more dangerous anti-psychotic drugs right before he ate, not supervising him, then he aspirated and they did not give proper care which eventually led to his death. He had no food a lot of that time which certainly didn't help.

They were already trying to do that before he got to the point where they murdered him in the last month and after numerous negligences starting with infecting him with covid. Before you get to hospice it is called "palliative care". dni/dnr is a death sentence, many will not get the same treatment. If your loved one does not want to be resuscitated etc. you can make the decision according to their wishes when it comes to that. And that goes for all ages.

For older people it is a very dangerous situation because in many care places they want you dead and out of the hospital a lot of the time so they can give your bed to someone else. There are financial influences as well because medicare or uninsured patients give lower or no reimbursement.

My neighbor was sent home on hospice because the hospital told her son who was in charge she was on hospice and he agreed to it. She died about 4 weeks later. She had been treated for a uti at one hospital but not properly, she developed sepsis at home, went to another hospital and never fully recovered. I think she was just put on hospice and released early because they did not want to bother anymore and her son agreed to it at the time. Fortunately I was able to visit and she was eating and not suffering terribly.

People think that you are going to have a fast death when given these drugs but the fact is people can take weeks to die, at home or in hospital. It can be a painful experience for the family. I think my neighbor had a peaceful experience and was not suffering terribly. Her care taker was with her and she went fast. I was not able to be there sadly, I wish I had been. She was not on opiates, she was on her regular meds as far as I know.

What was described to me was that if people were able to eat they could still eat small amounts and some did not want to. But the realities are different for each person. I don't know what happened with your grandmother, I don't want to upset you more, just let you know what can happen. I would talk to your father about it.

My father made sure that his brother got a big dose of morphine when he was dying and suffering a lot, enough to kill him quickly. Tg he was there to make them do that. That was in Canada and his doctor agreed but other hospital workers were torturing my uncle in the hospital he worked in for many years as head of a department.

OMGWTF

(3,972 posts)
31. My condolences. I still miss my grandmothers so much and they've been gone for decades.
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 04:23 PM
Sep 2022

They, too, were more of a mother to me than my own, from whom I am estranged on the advice of my therapist.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
32. I am so sorry for your loss.
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 04:23 PM
Sep 2022

She sounds like an amazing woman, some people should live forever. As long as you remember her she will always be close by. Hugs.

70sEraVet

(3,508 posts)
33. I was raised by my grandparents, and even though it has been years since they've passed,
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 04:23 PM
Sep 2022

when I dream, I'm often back home with them. I always wake up feeling grateful to have had the chance to enjoy their company once again.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
34. When my dad was in a hospice home, actively dying
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 04:25 PM
Sep 2022

They cautioned us not to feed him or give him water because of the danger of it going into his lungs.

This lasted about 1.5 weeks, until he transitioned to spirit.

It was very hard on my mom & the nurses caught her a few times trying to feed him. 💔

He, too, was getting regular doses of morphiene, which slows the breathing.

Please remember to do good self-care: eat, sleep, & do regular deep breathing to stay centered.

Grieving is very hard work emotionally, psychologically, & physically.

Can you speak with the hospice nurses who attended her? Often, they have some beautiful stories to tell. 😉

greblach

(257 posts)
51. Same thing here
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 05:05 PM
Sep 2022

When my Dad passed they had the same hospice prohibitions, I think they allowed us to give him ice chips...but it just was awful...I was pretty angry about it, but it was explained to me that giving them fluids would accentuate the pain...not sure if that is true or not but that is what I was told...very sorry for your loss...take care...

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
59. They never told us that, but my dad had a brain bleed.
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 05:26 PM
Sep 2022

They were wonderful and, while profoundly sad, it was a beautiful experience.

So sorry for your tough loss.

greblach

(257 posts)
73. One beautiful thing
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 06:30 PM
Sep 2022

My sister came down the hall playing a flute and my dad's ears perked up in joy...she played it again in church at his funeral, and I just lost it...

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
74. Awwwww.
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 06:36 PM
Sep 2022

That is beautiful!

With my dad, we went to his fav hotdog stand, got some loaded dogs & passed them under is nose.

He smiled huge & began to sing.

He hadn't eaten or even opened his eyes in days. I cherish that memory.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
104. My mother lost the ability to chew at 93.
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 11:21 AM
Oct 2022

She had a DNR but everyday they would ask if she wanted a feeding tube (reasonable) and she relented.

She recovered and her situation continued to decline until everyday she would ask "how much longer do I have to suffer" and sleep 20 hours a day

It's a difficult situation for everyone.

iluvtennis

(19,868 posts)
37. May your grandmother Rest in Peace and May her Memory be a Blessing.
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 04:35 PM
Sep 2022

Like you, my grandma was more my mother than my biological mother. She passed on to her glory in 1998 at 96 years old.

Group hug to you @Coventina

usonian

(9,855 posts)
40. So sorry for you.
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 04:38 PM
Sep 2022

I lost both parents in the same year.

They grew up during the depression.

Over time, that sorrow, though always there, turned into appreciation for all that they did and the wonderful people they were. Dad’s artistic and musical talent and Mom’s brilliance, compassion and spirit are with me every day, and I am thankful every day for them.

It sounds like you got your grandmother’s indomitable spirit.

Over time, do share some of the experiences you had with your grandmother.

You’re the treasure trove now.

Warpy

(111,332 posts)
41. If she was there for two weeks, she was being hydrated
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 04:43 PM
Sep 2022

probably via intravenous fluids along with the morphine. No water or food generally means none by feeding tube. If she had no interest in eating or drinking, they weren't going to put in a tube and force that on her.

I know you wanted her to live forever, but like that?

It's how I felt about my parents when they went. I wanted to have them around, they were my only family, but I didn't want them around in misery, benefiting from the best care money could buy, just for a few extra weeks.

Coventina

(27,169 posts)
43. No, I was there, with her in the hospice. Nothing by mouth, nothing by IV.
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 04:50 PM
Sep 2022

Once she was at that point, no, I did not want her to live even 5 minutes longer.

It was the longest 2 weeks of my life.
(Probably her life, too).

Warpy

(111,332 posts)
56. Understood, it's how I felt
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 05:13 PM
Sep 2022

especially with my mother, who lingered with end stage kidney disease and a few other things that made her life hell.

Ms. Toad

(34,086 posts)
97. Cessation of food and water is actually a very gently way to die.
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 11:37 PM
Sep 2022

It is hard for us to wrap our minds around - because we often associate food and drink with comfort. But it is one of the ways people who are experts in gentle dying advocate for leaving this world.

I am sorry that apparently the hospice workers did not explain this to you - but you shouldn't be stressed that her last two weeks were hard because she wasn't eating or drinking.

wendyb-NC

(3,328 posts)
47. I'm so sorry for your loss, Coventina
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 04:59 PM
Sep 2022

She sounds like a wonderful, loving, strong and inspiring woman. Embrace her wisdom, and carry your memory of her and the soul gifts she shared with you. Grief takes time, it's about the love you will always have for her.

niyad

(113,532 posts)
52. I am so very sorry for your loss of this truly remarkable woman.
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 05:06 PM
Sep 2022

As for a dnr with no food or water. .that is not uncommon, and I have known several people with that directive. One lasted almost three weeks. NOT a pleasant thing to watch.

Your DU family is here for you. Lean as much as you need.

forgotmylogin

(7,530 posts)
57. My condolences. I lost my mom two weeks ago tomorrow.
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 05:13 PM
Sep 2022

She was on in-home hospice for one week before she passed. Same thing - she was kept comfortable on morphine and the nurses said that morphine slows all body processes down so they aren't experiencing hunger, and forcing water or food might cause them to choke.

I had a whole bunch of sponges on sticks they said I could wet and swab her mouth to keep her from drying out, because it would have been very bad for her to aspirate any liquid into her lungs.

It was a huge adjustment and freaked me out at first too, but she passed peacefully in her sleep.

I'm past the sadness after two weeks, and am dealing with the depression phase. I don't feel like doing anything, but it will get better over time.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
60. I'm so sorry, and at the same time see you as wonderfully
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 05:28 PM
Sep 2022

fortunate to have had such a great mother and relationship. You'll always have that.

As for your father, maybe just make a plan now to someday leave the anger of grief behind? Keeping it as private as possible until then to minimize regrets. Your dad's lost her too, and he didn't get a practice run at dealing with the horrible, drawn-out reality of most deaths these days.

flying_wahini

(6,641 posts)
62. As a former hospice
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 05:33 PM
Sep 2022

It isn’t unusual at all for people to go weeks without food. If they have had IV fluids sometime it takes longer.
Feeding people who are end stage is not helpful. People trying to feed/give fluids just causes them to aspirate.

Sorry for your loss.

TNNurse

(6,929 posts)
63. I am so sorry, but I understand that when someone lives that long, i
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 05:34 PM
Sep 2022

it is hard to believe they will every leave.

You are so fortunate to have had her in your life for so long. She will always be in your heart and head.

Response to Coventina (Original post)

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
71. I have always thought withholding sustenance like that for weeks is cruel.
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 06:14 PM
Sep 2022

It’s not a natural death.

Very sorry for your loss.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
79. It isn't withholding as much as following the dying person's lead.
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 07:01 PM
Sep 2022

If the person doesn't want to eat or drink, no one pushes it on them. It causes less suffering, because the dying body's digestive system is shutting down. Putting food or even water into a person ac6ively dying can prolong suffering.

In a situation when the appetite has decreased, family members may become distressed. It is not uncommon for them to force food or fluid upon their loved ones, since eating is seen as a sign of good health. However, hospice nutrition guidelines discourage family members from taking such measures. In fact, forcing them to eat or drink will actually result in a variety of unwanted and uncomfortable side effects, including:

shortness of breath
nausea
vomiting
digestive problems
aspiration

How can we determine how much food a patient can consume, when the metabolism slows down? It’s simple, we observe the patient’s natural signs of hunger. End of life nutrition should be offered in a manner that listens to the patient. Offer them food and water only when they request it. These behaviors will be an indication that they are hungry or thirsty. They know their bodies and know when food and water are needed.

Do hospices prevent patients from eating and drinking? No. It is the patient who determines whether eating and drinking should be stopped. Many family members may visit and note that the patient is eating less, and assume that hospice is the cause of this change. The truth is that it is the patient who makes that decision. So, when a hospice agency denies you the right to provide food or fluids to the patient, they are simply ensuring there are no further complications added to the list.

https://hospicevalley.com/does-food-and-water-stop-when-in-hospice-care/

mercuryblues

(14,537 posts)
76. I am sorry for your loss
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 06:44 PM
Sep 2022

Your father did what she wanted. He, by no means killed her. If her DNR did not say that, trust me the hospital or Dr. Would not allow it.

Do not be angry at him for following her wishes.

I can tell you 1st hand what it feels like to be accused of killing someone, when all I did was follow their end of life care /DNR. I still get angry and hurt to think that people I have been close with my entire life think so little of me to accuse me of that. So tread lightly before you irreparably damage a relationship.

bluecollar2

(3,622 posts)
83. I'm so sorry for your loss
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 07:27 PM
Sep 2022

I've recently started trying to come to terms with the deaths of my Mother and Father....

I do hope you find solace somewhere.

I won't and can't do anything today to assuage your grief other than to offer comfort.

You have a family at DU.

I know from experience you can learn on them.

bluecollar2

(3,622 posts)
84. I'm so sorry for your loss
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 07:31 PM
Sep 2022

I've recently started trying to come to terms with the deaths of my Mother and Father....

I do hope you find solace somewhere.

I won't and can't do anything today to assuage your grief other than to offer comfort.

You have a family at DU.

I know from experience you can learn on them.

soldierant

(6,914 posts)
85. May I share a quote from our President,
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 07:59 PM
Sep 2022

who himself has been through so much loss?

"I promise you, the time will come that what's going to happen is six months will go by and everybody is going to think, well, it's passed. But you are going to ride by that field or smell that fragrance or see that flashing image. You are going to feel like you did the day you got the news. But you know you are going to make it. The image of your dad, your husband, your friend. It crosses your mind and a smile comes to your lips before a tear to your eye. That's hwo you know. I promise you, I give you my word, I promise you, this I know. The day will come. That day will come."

MerryBlooms

(11,771 posts)
89. I'm so sorry for your loss. No matter how well you prepare,
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 08:21 PM
Sep 2022

You're never prepared for such a heart loss. In time you'll be able to smile and not cry, with your memories. After 20 years of my husband passing, I still cry, but can laugh now too.

When I lost my mom, she was my best friend besides my husband. I was with her, and of coursemy husbandwhen he passed. I have amazing dreams with my mom, and my husband... Sometimes they're in the same dream.

You will eventually cry and smile. I hope you have peace of mind and heart. Then, one day, you will smile and laugh, more than you cry. But, you will always cry sometimes, and that's a good thing.

Take care, and reach out to folks for comfort. I am the praying type, which I know is frowned upon here, but that's okay, doesn't bother me. I find comfort in my prayers, and if it's okay with you, I will pray for you today. If not okay, that's fine, I get it. ❤❤❤


Ms. Toad

(34,086 posts)
90. I'm sorry for your loss.
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 08:42 PM
Sep 2022

I hope you can let go of your anger with your father. He may very well have known of, and been following, your grandmother's wishes.

We talk openly about such things in our house. My mother (90) has a living will which expressly requests withholding nutrition and hydration. Personally, mine expressly request withholding nutrition - but I want hydration. My father (also 90) wants nutrition and hydration as long as there is a reasonable chance he will be able to recover and go play in the dirt. If, on the advice of doctors, that is not reasonably likely, he wants to be allowed to die (including withholding nutrution and hydration).

It is a pretty gently way to go, and there are some members of my parents' retirement community who choose to die by that means (even if they are not in danger of imminent death). My parents have been first hand witnesses to such deaths - and both still choose that path for their final days.

hamsterjill

(15,223 posts)
92. Oh, Coventina, I can feel the pain in your words.
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 09:54 PM
Sep 2022

I’m so sorry. All I can offer is a wish for comfort for you. Please be good to yourself right now.

UpInArms

(51,284 posts)
95. I am so sorry
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 10:28 PM
Sep 2022

My wonderful grandmother died in 1984 … I still miss her dearly and still talk to her … she gave me so much and when she left, I felt that the only person who had ever truly loved me was gone … every day, I do something she taught me (and she taught me a lot … reuse, recycle, repurpose) and know that she is always with me …

I hope you find your peace and know she will always be with you

((((((((Hugs)))))))

calimary

(81,441 posts)
96. Aw, Coventina, here's a hug:
Fri Sep 30, 2022, 11:16 PM
Sep 2022


I’m glad you’re sharing this here. There are so many DUers with BIG hearts, and strong shoulders, and open ears, and they share, back. Lots of genuine sympathy and empathy for you at this rough and painful time.

You do not mourn alone. Always good to remember what our beloved Skittles once said: “someone’s always here.” Doesn’t even matter what time it is.

3catwoman3

(24,032 posts)
98. Just a few days ago, a different thread on a family loss used...
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 01:26 AM
Oct 2022

...the words "merged with the universe" when speaking of the loved one's death. I found that to be a gentle and elegant turn of phrase, and shall envision your beloved grandmother merging with the stars.

Trueblue Texan

(2,440 posts)
102. I am so sorry...
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 07:49 AM
Oct 2022

I know there are no words I can offer to comfort you, but I know that screaming, outrageous pain. I hope you can find a healthy way to express it and find peace. Thinking of you.

Liberty Belle

(9,535 posts)
110. Don't blame your dad.
Sat Oct 1, 2022, 01:58 PM
Oct 2022

It's really rough at the end of life sometimes. I lost both my parents to Alzheimer's and Dad also had Parkinsons.

At the end, Dad couldn't swallow anymore. Both were in extreme pain. Mom was more or less comatose, not responsive.

Dad took two weeks to die, with morphine, unable to eat or drink, other than just ice chips to keep his mouth from being too dry. There's really no other option. If you insert a feeding tube you can't take it out, and they're just a vegetable at that point.

Mom passed in a couple of days when she reached that point. There's no predicting.

At 99, your Mom lived a good, long life. Hospice wouldn't make that choice unless they were sure the end was very near and there was no more joy in life.

I am so sorry for your loss, andk now how hard this is.

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