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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhen the mass migration from Florida happens....
are they any different then the people coming to NA now because of climate change? Why not encourage labor from CA/SA to migrate to Florida and build the the 21st Century solution to Climate Change? We are gonna need people to build our 21st infra-structure. And Florida needs migrant labor worse than any other state.
Suck on that DeSantis.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,372 posts)There might be a slowdown of people moving IN to the state, but masses of people leaving? Doubtful.
While Ian was certainly catastrophic for the Fort Myers area, most Floridians will shrug it off and move on.
OAITW r.2.0
(24,528 posts)I don't think Republicans are explaining the long-term situation for Florida....and they sure have no solutions because they hate immigrants that are needed to build future State infrastructure..
A HERETIC I AM
(24,372 posts)Keep in mind that a collection of random Tomato farmers in Immokalee can buy and sell Gov. DeathSentence with pocket change.
They might hate immigrants, but a HUGE amount of this states agriculture relies on them to the same degree as California's does.
It ain't white folks picking tomatoes, strawberries and oranges. It sure as hell ain't white kids working the innumerable greenhouse outfits either.
OAITW r.2.0
(24,528 posts)don't have. We better learn to love migrants if we want to survive.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,108 posts)yardwork
(61,678 posts)There will, inevitably, be migration from Florida. Same with other coastal states.
Scrivener7
(50,977 posts)yardwork
(61,678 posts)The models are stunning. It's hard to take in.
pecosbob
(7,542 posts)1.5 million residents will gradually (or perhaps suddenly) be displaced, and that's just Dade County.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,372 posts)To get to the point where "much" of the state is underwater, depending on how you define that term, you're going to need at least 15 to 20' of sea level rise, and no data I can find, even the worst case scenario, calls for that in 50 years.
Here's a simulator from the NOAA website. You can adjust the height of the water with the bar at the left of the screen and you can zoom in on any area you like. Even at the max on the bar (10'), my house here in Jax is still quite a ways away from the shore, and I am just under a mile from an inlet that leads to the St. Johns River - basically sea level. My place is about 12 to 15' above sea level.
While 5' of rise would put most of Ft. Myers Beach (Estero Island) underwater (and Miami Beach as well, for that matter), it would take quite a bit more than that to drown downtown Ft. Myers.
I know sea level rise is happening and I am by no means a climate change denier, but saying "Much of Florida will be underwater in 50 years" is a bit of a stretch.
Of course there will eventually, but people will STILL want to live by the shore, even if that shore is 20 miles inland from where it is now.
DemocraticPatriot
(4,379 posts)in the wake of Ian. Remember how many people had to leave Louisiana after Katrina (many no doubt never returned) ?
"shrug it off and move on" ?? Yeah, I think many will-- especially among those who have lost everything.
If I was among those whose whose property was put underwater and/or destroyed, I think I would take whatever insurance or FEMA money I could get, and move inland--- and out of that fascist state. DeSantis may lose a good deal of voters, and I hope he does...
brooklynite
(94,657 posts)Florida (and Texas) have had big hurricanes before; nobody moved away en masse.
New Orleans flooded in Katrina; nobody move away en masses.
OAITW r.2.0
(24,528 posts)I probably won't be around, but lets check back in, in 20 years. By then, the NWS may be adding a Cat.6 Category to Hurricane weather systems.
HeartachesNhangovers
(814 posts)According to nolanews in January 2022:
"New Orleans has less than 80% of its pre-Katrina population, a presumably permanent gap of at least 100,000 people who never were able to make it back."
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lees1975
(3,870 posts)After a Texas hurricane, I sold out and moved. The Golden Triangle area, Beaumont-Port Arthur-Orange, has lost a third of its population following several devastating hits, Rita being the worst, just after Katrina. New Orleans itself has never recovered to its Pre-Katrina population, neither has the Gulfport-Biloxi area. Galveston has been hit two or three times in the past 30 years, it's population has dropped by a third, and down the coast, the towns in the counties south of the Brazos river, all the way to Rockport, have lost population since Harvey.
PortTack
(32,785 posts)This link says tx was #2 for ppl moving out and into, this may put them into the #1 spot. Its going to happen Fl as well
https://www.kvue.com/article/money/economy/boomtown-2040/texas-no-2-most-moved-to-most-moved-away-from-state-2021/269-e5b31db9-d972-4316-9c9c-d4d67b1edf22
yardwork
(61,678 posts)The subways will flood more and more often. It's coming.
Mr.Bill
(24,311 posts)is the snowbird money. I would guess many of them won't be going there at least for this winter.
if they can cash out on insurance, they aren't coming back. Those that own property. My last VayKay was at the Inns at Sanibel in Feb/Mar 2020....just before Covid and now this. Totally gone....cannot imagine. Like a memory physically wiped.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,372 posts)Think of how many snowbirds owned homes or condo's that no longer exist. I suspect that number is in the tens of thousands.
Marcus IM
(2,216 posts)Grifters. All.
HeartachesNhangovers
(814 posts)States that have no income tax typically have higher sales and property taxes to make up for it. In other words, all states tax at similar overall levels, when you consider income, sales and property taxes together.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,372 posts)Do you think because there is no state income tax that Florida takes more from the federal government than other states? That we are "grifters"?
Because if you think that, you're wrong.
https://smartasset.com/data-studies/states-most-dependent-on-the-federal-government-2022
36th. We rank 36th out of 50 for dependency on Washington.
What's your definition of "grifter"?
PortTack
(32,785 posts)Thru some stream of revenue. Its a drain on the system whether youre #1 or #36
mercuryblues
(14,537 posts)Real estate skyrocketed with the influx on people moving to Fl in the past few years. Working from home enabled a lot of that. Now that a massive hurricane hit, how many will move back?
Joinfortmill
(14,445 posts)I lived in Florida on the east coast a few years back, so it's not like I didn't know about Florida hurricanes. They aren't quite as bad on the east coast.
I have relatives that own a condo on Fort Myers Beach. Yes, it's still standing. It's a six story building. The first floor was completely blown out by the hurricane. I was purchasing my condo further inland. I knew climate change was a factor in Florida, but I thought it wouldn't be a huge problem for another decade. I believe I misjudged the timing. I'd say it's just become a huge problem. I'm likely going to lose a few grand by backing out of this deal, but I don't need to be hit over the head. It's going to be a year before they fix this.
OAITW r.2.0
(24,528 posts)Spring Training....and whatta a time hanging out by the bands and beer tents! The back to the ouside bar at the inn......just a great memory.
alwaysinasnit
(5,066 posts)there will be any insurers left standing after paying out claims for the current damage.
OAITW r.2.0
(24,528 posts)Glad I'm not directly vested.
lees1975
(3,870 posts)Not that they ever have had to give up profiteering before, and with Florida's state government and those watching to make sure insurance companies don't cheat, they won't lose much.
Renew Deal
(81,866 posts)when he finds a job.
dembotoz
(16,811 posts)i turned 69 this year.
During the summer i had to help a family member downsize and move.
I can no longer do physically what i used to do not that many years ago.
Doc says i am ok, but damn...
so florida attracts a lot of retirees.
And they are gonna be able to do the rehab stuff like flooring, cabinets etc?
The only rehab they are gonna due is at the hospital when the keel over
Does it count as migration as they die and get shipped home?
OAITW r.2.0
(24,528 posts)Happy to be in a place where we have no earthquakes or really severe weather. Mid-Maine. I can deal with snow, as long as it's not 3' per storm.
PortTack
(32,785 posts)bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)I can attest to the fact that rising insurance costs and lack of labour during the harvest months have contributed to my decision to emigrate from Florida.
I intend to seek political asylum in the western desert of New Mexico or Nevada/Southern California, hopefully within the year.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)to FL every fall.
One year when my husband and I were on our way down, we wondered if the entire state of MI was moving to FL. Probably some blizzards or something compacted the usual migration that year, but it was an event to see, reminiscent of driving south in Mexico in the middle of the Monarch butterfly migration to Central America.
No, I don't think FL will be abandoned. Climate warming means erratically and dangerously severe winters too.