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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThey have shut down Fort Myers Beach to residents
as they remove cadavers/bodies as the CNN guy just said. The official number in Florida right now is 100 in Florida, four in North Carolina.
Shit is getting real long before President Biden arrives on Wednesday
Baitball Blogger
(46,756 posts)Phoenix61
(17,018 posts)GB_RN
(2,373 posts)Why wouldn't he fudge these, seeing as it's just before the election? These deaths will make him look really bad, especially as they find more bodies.
FBaggins
(26,757 posts)Hurricane deaths have historically been published along with descriptions of how they died (drowned/fire/building collapse/etc. )
When grandma died of Covid, there was no way for a family to know whether she was included in the fifty other Covid deaths in the state on that day. But how many families will have to ignore Grandma being left out of the lists before he can't get away with it?
Phoenix61
(17,018 posts)ridiculously difficult to determine trends but the numbers were there eventually.
GB_RN
(2,373 posts)Call it what you will, fudging, fucking around, or whatever, DeathSentence was still gaming it to make himself look better.
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(2,541 posts)MyMission
(1,850 posts)I scan a number of news sources on line, don't watch TV, and have not seen much, nothing recently about the death toll. Reports of disputes and caution over announcing many deaths, reports stressing not being able to count those who evacuated, articles projecting a larger body count.
Tptb often don't want to call attention to the death toll. They love to report the financial costs.
mountain grammy
(26,644 posts)They quit talking about the number dead from Katrina while still in the hundreds. Over 2000 thanks to Bush and his incompetent FEMA director Michael Brown who does a radio show here in Colorado, the lying sack of shit.
Yep, all about property loss.
AmBlue
(3,115 posts)...based on how he was out strutting all over Tampa Bay before Ian hit (in Ft. Myers)... duhhhh.
Let's see if he rolls out his wife for the announcement of the death toll... ya think?
Ford_Prefect
(7,918 posts)and so forth who are locating identifying and removing bodies during the searches I don't see how they can hide the numbers in the end.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)Too bad they didnt get out in time.
calimary
(81,441 posts)Last edited Mon Oct 3, 2022, 05:49 PM - Edit history (1)
simply disregarded the warnings, or were just sure it really wasnt gonna be THAT bad.
And on the other hand, how many simply werent able to - for whatever reason?
But the deliberate denial is what gets me, most. I just dont have the patience or sympathy for deniers in situations like this. Especially when the facts are there - as to the strength and power of the oncoming deluge. Thy probably dont realize these rescuers struggle against great danger to themselves and possible tragedy for their own families to save lives, including trying to help someone who ignored the warnings.
The warnings were THERE. And they were fact-driven.
Hey thanks for all these replies! Seriously, I appreciate them. Makes me think the problem is more a case of couldnt-evacuate than wouldnt-evacuate. But either one is a damn shame.
Sucha NastyWoman
(2,749 posts)Perhaps they lacked the financial ability or werent very mobile.
IbogaProject
(2,835 posts)Especially with this hitting at the end of the month before the Social Security checks hit from the 1st to the 3rd. And you're missing that nearly 40% of Americans can not handle even a $400. surprise expense. And it may even be worse at the end of a month.
wnylib
(21,586 posts)because I have relatives in the Tampa area. Tampa was the media focus, even after the path started shifting. While NOAA and other agencies were warning about southwest Florida, the media were saying how devastating a Tampa Bay hit would be, how it has been 100 years since the last time a hurricane hit Tampa, etc. They did the same thing with Irma.
So I can see how people in the SW part of Florida might think that Ian would not make a direct hit on them.
I would expect state and local officials to monitor the weather agencies (not commercial TV and radio) for the path, notify the public of changes in it, and have local assistance available for evacuation.
Both the media and government could have done better.
FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)But didnt loose our home to the Gulf of Mexico
It just devastating in SW fl from Sarasota down to Naples Gas is almost not happening.
LymphocyteLover
(5,652 posts)or couldn't afford to leave
iemanja
(53,056 posts)100 confirmed dead.
Raftergirl
(1,292 posts)Are you sure your heard correctly?
iemanja
(53,056 posts)Its the whole county.
Botany
(70,567 posts)and he did not issue an evacuation for Lee County until Tuesday or Wednesday.
Hes no longer holding press conferences because journalists now have serious questions. Its going to get very ugly for him.
ananda
(28,875 posts)It's bad there.
malaise
(269,157 posts)But we both know people already have pictures.
In these times someone always has pictures.
lpbk2713
(42,766 posts)Bad mistake. Some paid with their lives.
And the Ft Myers/Lee County E911 PSAP was down. Calls were rerouted to another agency.
Those dispatchers may not have been familiar with the Ft Myers Area.
AverageOldGuy
(1,542 posts)Consider this: Evacuation requires:
-- Pack up your stuff
-- Get in the car
-- Fill up with gas
-- Drive somewhere out of the danger area and find a motel
-- For days and days all your meals are purchased and the motel is charging you $100 a day.
If you are on a fixed income with little or no cash reserves; if you work 2 or 3 part-time jobs; if you are "low income" (AKA: poor) -- how are you going to:
-- Pay for a tank of gas or maybe two or three?
-- Pay for food for week?
-- Pay for motel room for weeks?
3Hotdogs
(12,402 posts)Sub topic: If you even have a car.
And pets? I have two. I can't envision leaving them for three days.
obamanut2012
(26,112 posts)babylonsister
(171,080 posts)I wonder if they were set up given that the landfall was supposed to be Tampa?
Pacifist Patriot
(24,654 posts)I am so weary of unaffected people not understanding the myriad of factors involved in evacuation. "Just go" isn't always an option or even the best one sometimes.
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