walmart and cvs sued for putting homeopathic products next to real medicine

[moonshinegnomie]

homeopathic "drugs" are nothing but water in the best case. in the worst case they are actually dangerous.
There is zero evidence that they work.
in most cases they are nothing more than pure water.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/10/walmart-cvs-face-trial-for-putting-sham-homeopathic-products-next-to-real-meds/

[Brother Buzz]

1. My podunk CVS store has an entire end aisle display dedicated to homeopathics, a mere....

eight feet from the pharmacy window. Makes for some interesting reading while waiting in line.

[multigraincracker]

2. Thats what my horoscope says too.

[USALiberal]

4. +1000

[okaawhatever]

12. Well done..... nt

[progressoid]

3. k/r

[catsudon]

5. damn it

i went to two cvs looking for distilled water and they don't have any...

i need it for my cpap, i guess i have to try walmart.

[Disaffected]

6. The purveyors of that crap

should be charged with fraud no matter what they put it next to.

Anyone here remember Carter's Little Liver Pills and Dod's Kidney Pills? It too many years to get them off the shelves and the problem is worse today than ever.

[Johnny2X2X]

7. FDA cracked down on this long ago

And homeopathy is totally fake, but the name is so successful that people actually started to use it to describe products that aren't homeopathic. Dietary supplements can have real health benefits and some are proven through real peer reviewed studies to work, dietary supplements are not homeopathy. But people have taken to calling dietary supplements and many other more natural medicines homeopathy because they sell better that way. So you kind of have this big umbrella of stuff now referred to as homeopathy, kind of weird. I even saw one person that claimed to practice homeopathic massage.

I used to work for a marketing firm whose biggest client sold alternative medicines. Was crazy what they used to be able to get away with. Our powder cures diabetes! This one cures heart disease! Etc etc. The FDA cracked down hard about 15 years ago.

Even today at some local stores I'll find homeopathy mixed in with real cold medicines. Frustrating.

Doesn't mean that there aren't all kinds of non pharmaceuticals that can have health benefits, there are. Just means that diluting something to 1 parts per quadrillion is literally the same as taking nothing. They're diluting it to nothing and claiming the water molecules have memories... And people spend thousands on it.

[bucolic_frolic]

8. I've taken them for years

Went to a homeopathic doctor, he recommended many of them. They work for me. Wouldn't do without homeopathic cough medicine, sinus relief, sciatica relief. Doctor still practices, has business from hundreds of miles away, and now a partner physician in the practice.

[Cha]

11. They work for me, too.

A kindred spirit!

[Raine]

21. Me too. 🙂 nt

[Cha]

22. 😎

[Big Blue Marble]

13. Good for you.

Homeopathic do work and is not just a placebo. This is a healing model that is not
well understood and so misjudged. I do think that some but not all of the over-the-counter
products are of not that helpful. As you learned, working with a homeopathic physician is
the best strategy to ge the most benefit as each person will be prescribed based on
their unique characteristics.

[moonshinegnomie]

15. for the most part homeopathic remedys cant work just based on science

most homeopathic remedies have the dilution factor on the package,for example 15c

oscillococcinum,one of the the most widely distributed homeopathic remedies is diluted to 200c

a 1C dilituion means that the original substance is diluted 100 times.
2C is 10,000 time
4C is diluted 10^8 times. this is the standard used for analytical grade pure water, and so on.

12C is the equivalent of a pinch of salt in the atlantic and pacific oceans combined
given there are about 10^80 molecules in the universe any dilution beyond 40C means that there is no chance of any of teh riginal molecule remaining in the dilution.
there are no peer review articles showing homeopathy is at all more effective than a placebo.Its just not scientifically possible.

NOTE: Im only talking about homepathic formulas not herbal remedys which can be effecive

[bucolic_frolic]

17. You are tying strength to effectiveness, and that is the opposite of homeopathy

Yet homeopathy specifically says the more the dilution the stronger the response. It's some kind of body "bio-memory" thing. And the effect for me was often almost instant - because they are absorbed directly into the bloodstream through the mouth.

[moonshinegnomie]

18. no scientific evidence

its just not scientifically possible

using Oscillococcinum as an example since its pretty much the most widely available "drug"
its a 200C dilution of supposedly duck liver. there is not 1 molecule of duck liver in the end result. its nothing more than pure water or whatever they use to dilute it. and theres no such thing as bio memory in the water. the water cant "remember" that at one point there may be been duck liver around it. its just not scientifically possible.

[Big Blue Marble]

19. I have had effective results with homeopathics for 35 years.

I understand the dilution and percussion process that is the basis of homeopathic preparation.
The more the dilution the more powerful the homeopathic. It is not logical, but it works.
Homeopathic arnica is excellent for inflammation and injuries. Nux vomica is the best
digestive, after indulging in extra food or drink, just to name a couple. They are very
inexpensive and without side effects.

It is fine if many choose to ignore the benefits of homepathcis. But that is different
from mocking what they have not taken the time to study or experience.

[Raine]

20. Me too, they work for me

and I intend to continue taking them. 👍

[SCantiGOP]

9. Generally called 'nutraceuticals'

and are unregulated in US.
We had a huge ginkgo growing operation near my hometown. Newspaper article said all of its product was shipped to Europe, since it met their stringent health requirements. Said all of the ginkgo sold in US is imported from Asia, and had no standards for growing, processing or the claims you can put on the label (other than a tiny note that the contents have
not been studied or approved by the FDA).

This makes perfect sense in GOP-style capitalism. Much cheaper to hire a few lobbyists and make some
strategic political donations than actually grow and sell a safe regulated product.

[WarGamer]

10. I believe in the free market...

But certainly keep the homeopathic CRAP far away from real medicine.

[leftyladyfrommo]

14. It should be labeled on a separate shelf.

There are people who think it works for them and they have a right to buy it. It may have a placebo effect. Or maybe it does work for some people.

[IbogaProject]

16. Sometimes their extra ingredients do the work

We used a homeopathic teething pill that had some kind of sugar, which triggers an anti pain response in infants. That is what on occasion works, I bet the cough product has honey, which is a mild cough suppressant.