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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe SUV-ification of Police Fleets
https://www.curbed.com/2022/10/nypd-all-suv-fleet-ford.htmlNew York isnt alone in the SUV-ification of its police fleet. Since 2017, more than half of all police vehicles sold in the U.S. are cop-customized Explorers. The countrys next-largest department, Chicago, has jumped on the oversize bandwagon, with Ford relocating the factory to the city to build the police Explorers right there at home. Across the U.S., police departments large and small are retiring their Crown Victorias in favor of new, often gargantuan, SUVs. An annual report by the Michigan State Police Precision Driving Unit, which tests new-model law-enforcement vehicles, tracks the trend: In 2010, two out of eight vehicles tested were SUVs, while in 2022, nine out of eleven vehicles tested were SUVs. Ford, which has contracts for more than half of the police vehicles in the country, doesnt even make sedans anymore, meaning departments across the U.S. are all, at some point, destined for the same thing: bigger, faster cars.
Over the last ten years, as SUVs and trucks came to make up 80 percent of total new car sales in the country, pedestrian fatalities have increased dramatically, hitting the highest level in four decades. Nationwide, police car chases now kill more people than tornadoes, lightning, and hurricanes combined. As those trends converge in the form of larger police vehicles which are legally allowed to exceed the speed limit and perform other vehicular stunts civilians cant it presents a unique danger, says Alex Vitale, sociology professor at Brooklyn College and author of The End of Policing. The research shows high-speed chases and maneuvering into vehicles endangers police officers, endangers people who are only wanted for traffic violations, and endangers random members of the public, especially in New York City where the density of pedestrians is so high.
What Vitale is describing using the police vehicle itself as a weapon is whats called a PIT maneuver, or precision immobilization technique: The officer behind the wheel uses the front end of their vehicle to stop a speeding car by ramming it sideways, known as pitting. Police deploying PIT maneuvers have killed 30 people from 2016 to 2020. In 2020, a pregnant woman sued Arkansas State Patrol after her vehicle was overturned by a troopers PIT maneuver during a basic traffic stop for speeding. In 2021, a 12-year-old boy was killed after a Georgia state trooper pitted the SUV he was riding in, flipping the vehicle. In 2019, an NYPD officer driving an SUV tried a similar technique on a cyclist who the officer claimed was riding recklessly. After ordering the cyclist to stop, the officer rammed the SUV into the cyclist so hard the Citi Bike got wedged in the wheel well. Youre refusing to stop after multiple lawful orders that you acknowledged, the officer says to the cyclist in a video recorded at the scene. So I am going to use whatever means necessary to stop you, okay? And thats for your safety.
underpants
(182,858 posts)Cops and fire.
MichMan
(11,952 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,382 posts)EX500rider
(10,849 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,382 posts)EX500rider
(10,849 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,372 posts)I mean, I've been assaulted by the Crips and the Bloods and MS13 like, 5 times in the last week!
What a silly argument.
Cops have a minimal effect on preventing crime, and if you are being victimized by gangs like the 3 you mentioned, something is seriously wrong with the way you conduct your life.
Sheesh.
EX500rider
(10,849 posts)Lol
A HERETIC I AM
(24,372 posts)I never even insinuated it is a figment of your imagination, but it does seem your imagination has run away with your rationality on this subject.
This board is predominately made up of older, middle class white people, so unless you are one of the rare ones that lives in Compton or Bedford Stuyvesant, I think "Gang Violence" is the least of your concerns.
This is nothing more than a scare tactic dressed as propaganda. "OOOOH! Watch out!! Those scary gangs are gonna cause havoc if we don't have a massive force of uniform wearing armed thugs to counter them."
This country is OVER POLICED, plain and simple, and the fucking cops are out of god damned control in the United States.
Want to make gangs go away? Legalize ALL drugs, just like they did in Portugal, treat drug abuse like the public health issue it IS and NOT the crime that so many old white people want to make it out to be. THEN, help the places where gangs have a stranglehold on the youth create solutions that mitigate their attractiveness.
EX500rider
(10,849 posts)Or did I just say eliminating the police forces would make violent gangs and criminals also happy?
You want to argue that's not true good luck.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,434 posts)Maybe a few high-speed chase cars, but really, if there's a criminal running, get the airplane or helicopter to follow the perp and lead arresting officers to them. That's a lot safer for the public than the things roid-raging cops are doing now.
MichMan
(11,952 posts)Also police in rural areas don't have airplanes or helicopters at their disposal.
jmowreader
(50,561 posts)It makes a lot of sense there - the old cop cars were 2-wheel-drive and they kept getting stuck in the snow in winter. That's not a problem anymore.
Straw Man
(6,625 posts)I was driving on a country road late one winter night and came to a spot where a snow fence had fallen down and the snow had drifted pretty deep across the road. I didn't see it in time to stop, and plowed my car right into the drift -- got it stuck pretty good. This was in pre-cellphone days, so I was sadly contemplating my long walk home when I saw some headlights coming from the other direction.
Lo and behold, it was a cop car! Saved, I thought. He stopped, and I explained what had happened and asked if he could help my push my car out.
"Can't do that," he said. "Protocol says I can call in a tow-truck, but I can't do any roadside assistance."
I told him not to bother, that I would keep trying to get it out myself. "It has to be gone by morning," he said. "That's when they'll be coming through to plow this drift out." Then he threw his cruiser in reverse, and ... he was stuck too!
See where this is going? Luckily he was a sport about it. I pushed him out, and he pushed me out. Then we went on our merry ways.
Now if he had had one of those SUVs, he wouldn't have gotten stuck and I would have been out of luck. Of course, if I had had one too, I wouldn't have gotten stuck in the first place ...
Shermann
(7,423 posts)A cop might drive off and on for an entire shift but generally won't need the full 300-mile range. And in short bursts they are faster than anything.
PXR-5
(522 posts)American car company makes cars anymore, other than the Mustang coup, Camaro and Malibu.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,333 posts)These fleet deals are deeply discounted compared to what regular consumers see.
The Manufacturers arent going to stamp out stopped mustangs.
NickB79
(19,257 posts)A 2005 Crown Vic police cruiser got 16 mpg combined, while the Explorer Hybrid Police SUV gets 24 mpg combined.
Hekate
(90,758 posts)blogslug
(38,007 posts)Kaleva
(36,320 posts)It's becoming uncommon to see a four door sedan