BREAKING: Oath Keeper leader in touch with Secret Service

[brooklynite]

Link to tweet

[Ilsa]

1. "under the impression"

Yeah, that'll work.

[Grins]

18. ..."(and) that Stewart Rhodes informed him that he was"

More to come...!

[stopdiggin]

30. we should probably try to remember that all

these people are crackpots and conspiracy nuts on steroids. Their 'belief system' - provides very little in the way of solid ground.

i.e. - - when I see a transcription of the conversation ....

[Botany]

2. So at least some of the Secret Service people might have been in on the coup?

and i bet you that some of their texts "that went missing" were from the dirty agents.

Remember Mike Pence refused to get into a car with Secret Service agents he did not know
and that the German Shepherd that Joe Biden had to get rid of had attacked some secret
service agents (at least that is how I remember it ... I could be wrong) because DOGS KNOW.

[KS Toronado]

11. No doubt in my mind there are SS MAGAts

And yes protective dogs know when someone has "evil" thoughts.

[Botany]

15. Some dogs "just know" when somebody doesn't smell right to them.

when my son was like 12 or so and he was walking his dog (black lab) and a creepy
guy came up to talk to him and the dog went nuts and tried to get after the guy.

The dog who has been now gone since Sept 2018 was the biggest baby you ever met
his girlfriend's cat used to sleep on top of him and out next door neighbor's little
dog used to back him into a corner.

[Deminpenn]

19. Yes, dogs do know

nt

[Baitball Blogger]

21. The reason their texts disappeared!

[OverBurn]

34. You could be on to something, Dogs do know.

[Disaffected]

36. Or not.

Do dogs "know" that the postman is an evil person?? I had a dog that thought she did.

[Botany]

38. Dogs going after the postman is a different thing. They think they are protecting their home and ..

... and pack but a dog sensing something just doesn't seem right about somebody else is totally
different.

[Disaffected]

41. Sure, it's not quite the same but,

what is it about a postman (or meter reader or cop) that distinguishes it from some other person walking up the sidewalk - the uniform, the stuff they carry etc.? Point is, whatever it is, the dog apparently thinks there is something sinister about that person and in actuality "knows" nothing about it.

I think a much more likely explanation of why Biden's dog went after some guy is that the dog sensed the guy didn't like him or, OTOH, the guy was afraid of dogs which triggered the dog's predator instinct, and not that the dog sensed or "knew" the guy was dangerous to humans.

[Botany]

42. The 1st quarter of dog's brain is like a sponge and it is devoted to the sense of smell and if a ...

.... person is putting off chemicals that his/her body is producing because of fear or they have bad intentions
about their human or their human/dog family/pack and that produces some kind of biochemical reaction in
the person which in turn makes the human to produce pheromones or some kind of metabolite lots of dogs
can key into those biochemical markers and know what is up.

Joe's dog might just have been upset about the change of setting too. To a German Shepherd sometimes
their base instinct of protection takes over.

BTW I love this picture. That is a working dog working and his job was to protect Joe & Jill.
That animal is "on point." What a magnificent animal.



sorry to

[catbyte]

3. Gee, I wonder who that could be?

[Deep State Witch]

4. No Wonder

Pence didn't want to go with the SS that day.

[brooklynite]

10. Had nothing to do with Pence...

Pence has said the reason he didn’t want to get in the car was that the SS priority was removing him from an at risk area to a race location, but that would have risked the possibility of completing the Electoral Vote approval that day.

[Deep State Witch]

12. Dude Would Have Wound Up

At the bottom of the Potomac.

[Botany]

16. And didn't Sen. Grassely say on January 4th or 5th that he didn't think that Pence was going to...

.... be there in the Senate to certify the vote on J 6th and that he Grassley, would have to oversee the
certification of the E.C. vote because it was his duty?

Good God in Butter how deep and wide does the rot go?

Hello Iowa Voters! Grassley's treason should be front and center for the newt 5 weeks.

[mjvpi]

22. Yes, he said that. One of the most troubling statements that I heard.

He knew about and was going with the plot to overturn the election.

[Botany]

25. This got me too. Right after Trump lost the election he fired Sec. of Defense Esper and replaced...

... him with Christopher Miller who sent out this "stand down order" to the D.C. National Guard
on Jan. 4th 2012. Before this memo the D.C. Guard had the authority to respond to things like
the J 6 violent coup attempt on their own.

[mjvpi]

39. All the fun of conspiracy theories, but based in fact

[Botany]

40. Now why was the acting Sec. of Defense (installed by Trump after he lost) talking about riot ...

.... control agents on J 4?

[Scrivener7]

5. Can't the phone provider have revealed that almost 2 years ago?

Why are we just learning this now?

Yeah, yeah, I know, I know. The DOJ probably knew it all along and the DOJ Double Secret department had this all sewn up a year ago and this is just 3 dimensional chess.

[Genki Hikari]

44. Good grief

It could be because there are hundreds of these people to ID, then get access to their phones, and then the data on top of all that. Contrary to what all Criminal Mind wannabes "think," the DOJ doesn't get all that information by Penelope typing on her computer. They have to write up subpoenas, submit them to the court and then WAIT FOR THE COURT TO GIVE THEM ACCESS. Then, if--IF--they're lucky, the phones will reveal something.

Let's see YOU do any of that faster.

And it hasn't been two years. Sheesh. We're still 3 months from the 2nd year anniversary.

Life isn't a TV show.

[Scrivener7]

46. They knew the secret service was holding back texts from

that day months ago. One would think they'd have checked what phone numbers SS people on the scene were in contact with.

We are all well aware that this is not a tv show. It is also not rocket science to trace which agents were in contact with non SS numbers and trace those numbers.

And gosh! We're three months short of 2 years! Let's all go back to sleep.

PS: just for folks like you, I made a handy dandy guide to all the lame excuses so you can just give a number rather than typing it all out.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17215804

[BComplex]

6. BINGO!

And THAT is why all those messages were deleted.

[Initech]

7. Holy shit. That whole agency was compromised.

It's time to clean house.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

8. Yet more evidence that this was an INSURRECTION, not a RIOT.

Please insist on correct terminology from news sources. Many have fallen back to calling it the "capitol riot" since the last televised J6 hearing.

[elias7]

9. Conspiracy

[Bluethroughu]

32. 100%!

[Samrob]

13. And one car accidents are looking more and more suspicious. nt

[SledDriver]

14. I am shocked! SHOCKED! Well, not that shocked...

[mjvpi]

23. Bingo.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

27. +1

[calimary]

28. Yep.

[Johnny2X2X]

17. Devil's advocate

The Oath Keepers are saying there were there for security, doesn't this help them? They can say they were coordinating security with the SS?

[Deminpenn]

20. This is not helpful to them at all

and it sure gives the secret service a black eye if they thought it was a good idea to coordinate with a bunch of insurrectionists.

[oldsoftie]

26. Then they'd have to prove it. Might be an example of ego talking too

Rhodes is just the type of guy who would brag about everything under the sun. Like the "Meal Team Six" guys.

[hadEnuf]

37. You mean like the Hells Angels providing security at the Rolling Stones concert in 1969?

The Oath Keepers are regarded as a RW terrorist organization by many, so I don't think them claiming that a government agency was doing business with them would help.

[Genki Hikari]

45. It's stupid

We have an enormous security apparatus working for the government. What are we paying them all these billions a year for if we don't call upon them when needed?

Furthermore, why would anyone in the government need these Oaf Creeper clowns for security--or anything, for that matter? They're as useless as teats on a boar: fat, out of shape, poorly trained, poorly equipped. One good National Guard callout would wipe them out in seconds.

[Marcuse]

24. "We'll have to tell President Grant we've been infiltrated by Johnny Rebs."

[Picaro]

29. Have you checked the children?

This metaphor is a little overused, but it is one that hits people in their guts. In an old movie from 1979 When a Stranger Calls a babysitter (Carol Kane) gets a call and a creepy voice asks, "Have you checked the children?" It is one of the most memorable moments in 1970's cinema.

Spoiler alert--the children were fine.

Now put a twist on it. What if the babysitter had been in on it?

This is where we are. There is substantial anecdotal and testamentary evidence that some of the SS was in on January 6th.

What if the very people we rely on to keep the leaders of the executive branch (and by extension the nation) safe were and are allied with the insurrectionists?

Enough to make anyone that is loyal to the United States and its Constitution queasy. It's a gut punch.

But that is where we are.

Almost the entire Republican party are anti-democracy. Many of them voted against certification of the election that put Biden into the White House. Many still profess to believe that the election was the result of some sort of massive, multi-state election fraud committed by some sort of nefarious cabal of super-powered Marxists, blood sucking demons intent on denying Trump his rightful second term.

Now it is becoming more and more clear that within the SS there was a Team Trump and a Team Pence. Team Pence was willing to give their lives to protect Pence. Team Trump was also intent on protecting their charge. But I have the sense that if these SS bad actors could have be assured of Trump's safety things could have been very different.

It may ultimately come out that the only reason that Team Trump didn't ferry him to the Capitol that day was that they knew they couldn't reliably protect their fuhrer in the unfolding chaos that day. Fortunately, their training took over and they kept TFG away from the Capitol.

There was a lot of luck that day and this was part of it. But how can we get back to where ALL of the SS can be trusted to be non-partisan?

This is indeed a scary time in the history of this country. We are teetering on a precipice. Many are allied against the very foundation of our country--having lost all patience with our democracy. In many ways, most of us can only watch, contribute our tiny funds to progressive candidates, and hope.

[Bluethroughu]

31. Seditious Conspiracy in the Trump White House.

[rubbersole]

35. Try putting "is" instead of "in"...

Has a certain ring to it.

[Bluethroughu]

43. Yes it does. Yes it is.

[onecaliberal]

33. When SS text messages went "missing' writ large. it was a given they were in on it.