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Blueplanet

(253 posts)
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 05:42 PM Oct 2022

Question: Why is Twitter worth 44 Billion-It's a forum like DU?

Twitter is a forum like Democratic Underground, just a different format. I know advertising has a lot to do with it, but 44 billion dollars!
Many of these forums have come and gone over the years. Why is Twitter worth so much?

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Question: Why is Twitter worth 44 Billion-It's a forum like DU? (Original Post) Blueplanet Oct 2022 OP
Pretty sure it has a lot more users too TheRealNorth Oct 2022 #1
Um, it might have something to do with the fact Twitter has more than 200 million daily users. BannonsLiver Oct 2022 #2
200 Million daily users Blueplanet Oct 2022 #6
But DU has Jerry2144 Oct 2022 #8
I'm afraid it's not worth much then! BannonsLiver Oct 2022 #11
Well, for a start 396 MILLION registered users worldwide... hlthe2b Oct 2022 #3
Wow! Blueplanet Oct 2022 #7
Well, clearly it's not worth $44 billion, otherwise musk would not be stalling unblock Oct 2022 #4
Reach nt Gore1FL Oct 2022 #5
Because data is a commodity Mike_in_LA Oct 2022 #9
It's Not ProfessorGAC Oct 2022 #10
aah! Very interesting. Blueplanet Oct 2022 #13
Well, I Checked! ProfessorGAC Oct 2022 #15
One word. ADVERTISING usonian Oct 2022 #12
Fascinating. I will check the link. Blueplanet Oct 2022 #14
Revenues Are 11% Of Capitalization ProfessorGAC Oct 2022 #17
Yes, I was talking revenue. Market cap is the money held in shares (IIRC) and reflects usonian Oct 2022 #18
We Agree On Most Of That ProfessorGAC Oct 2022 #20
Here's a goodie. I am busy, and won't post separately. Interesting though. usonian Oct 2022 #21
I may be wrong, but most of these things has gone DOWN....eventually. Ferrets are Cool Oct 2022 #16
Companies are famously bought. (and your privacy agreements are void, and your data is theirs) usonian Oct 2022 #19

TheRealNorth

(9,481 posts)
1. Pretty sure it has a lot more users too
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 05:45 PM
Oct 2022

And famous people are encouraged to post there to hawk their wares which draws more eyeballs.

BannonsLiver

(16,387 posts)
2. Um, it might have something to do with the fact Twitter has more than 200 million daily users.
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 05:46 PM
Oct 2022

If not more. DU might have a few hundred people who actually post daily here. I have no idea what the numbers are just that they are not comparable.

Blueplanet

(253 posts)
6. 200 Million daily users
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 05:57 PM
Oct 2022

Like Facebook. With users from all over the world. But, they all just seem to fade over time.

hlthe2b

(102,282 posts)
3. Well, for a start 396 MILLION registered users worldwide...
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 05:52 PM
Oct 2022

which does not include the unregistered but occasional or regular readers only, like myself.

Important Twitter Statistics

Twitter currently has 396.5 million users
Twitter brought in $3.72 billion in revenue last year (2020)
206 million users access Twitter daily. 75% of them are not based in the US
Twitter is most popular among users aged 25-34
8.85% of the worldwide social media users access Twitter
Worldwide, men use Twitter more than women
Quarterly Twitter revenue is over$1.1 billion as of Q2, 2021
In the US, 92% of tweets come from the top 10% of users
On average, Twitter US users spend 158.2 minutes per month on the app
In the US, Twitter app was downloaded over 6 million times in Q4 2020. The vast majority of app downloads were from the App Store

https://backlinko.com/twitter-users

unblock

(52,241 posts)
4. Well, clearly it's not worth $44 billion, otherwise musk would not be stalling
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 05:53 PM
Oct 2022

But certainly it's worth billions because they are huge and generate tons of revenue.

Sometimes it all comes done to building a big crowd for others to sell to, nothing more, however that crowd is built.

ProfessorGAC

(65,047 posts)
10. It's Not
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 06:02 PM
Oct 2022

Yes, they're an enormous social media company.
But, they have only around $13.5 in assets. They have only around $5 billion in revenue.
So, they're cap is 3.2x assets, which is inordinately high. This is especially true as Twitter is in a mature phase & they're market capitalization shouldn't be based on potential any longer. Yet, it still is.
But, from a purely financial point of view, they shouldn't be worth $44 billion. But, much of the tech sector doesn't make financial sense.

Blueplanet

(253 posts)
13. aah! Very interesting.
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 06:13 PM
Oct 2022

Thanks.
Remember MySpace? It's still active. Not sure how much it's worth today though.

ProfessorGAC

(65,047 posts)
15. Well, I Checked!
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 06:17 PM
Oct 2022

They're a $60 million dollar company with $109 million in revenues.
See, how revenues greatly exceed the capitalization? Investors are only irrational on the way up!

usonian

(9,809 posts)
12. One word. ADVERTISING
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 06:11 PM
Oct 2022

Without advertising, Twitter, Facebook/Meta, and Google are worth about $20.00.

Advertising is augmented by surveillance capitalism.

And what is the advertising worth? WAY MORE LESS THAN CLAIMED BECAUSE:

Bots Corrupted Advertising
https://www.wired.com/story/bots-online-advertising/

Botmasters have created a Kafkaesque system where companies are paying huge sums to show their ads to bots. And everyone is fine with this.

IT'S ALL A FREAKING HOAX, EXCEPT FOR THE MASSIVE INVASION OF YOUR PRIVACY.

Over and out.

ProfessorGAC

(65,047 posts)
17. Revenues Are 11% Of Capitalization
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 06:24 PM
Oct 2022

While you're correct that the preponderance of their revenue is advertising revenue doesn't come close to justify8ng that market cap.
Their assets are 30% of cap.
They're clearly ove4valued.
By contrast (admitting the sector difference) Wal-Mart has revenues of around 150% of market cap, and assets are nearly at par.

usonian

(9,809 posts)
18. Yes, I was talking revenue. Market cap is the money held in shares (IIRC) and reflects
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 07:08 PM
Oct 2022

perceived future value in growth stocks. And that is why when growth falls, or is expected to fall, market cap craters.


Mark Zuckerberg's net worth has dropped $71 billion this year
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mark-zuckerberg-net-worth-lost-70-billion-metaverse/

Sep 20, 2022
The stock market rout of 2022 has reduced the personal worth of plenty of tech billionaires, but none more than Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg. The founder of the company formerly known as Facebook,...

Twitter is the "beneficiary" of arbitrage, to the extent that anyone can figure out what is going on, as companies are usually bought at a premium to market price.

ProfessorGAC

(65,047 posts)
20. We Agree On Most Of That
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 07:24 PM
Oct 2022

But, the tech sector has been skewed for a while.
Future perceived value growth: of a mature platform like Twitter?
The history is sufficient to know that growth is at the organic & incremental stage now. But, it's still valued as a growth stock
The data suggests the growth potential (of significance) is an illusion.

usonian

(9,809 posts)
21. Here's a goodie. I am busy, and won't post separately. Interesting though.
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 07:36 PM
Oct 2022
The Climate Economy Is About to Explode
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2022/10/inflation-reduction-act-climate-economy/671659/

No paywall for me. If so, you probably know the remedies.

Perhaps most strange, even if the United States slips into recession in the next year, the IRA will only become more important. Historically, economists and businesses have treated helping the environment as a product of prosperity—if the economy is good, then companies can afford to do the right thing. But the IRA’s programs and incentives will keep flowing no matter the macro environment, which makes betting on clean energy one of the most certain economic trends of the next few years. Clean energy is now the safe, smart, government-backed bet for conservative investors. It’s really a shocking reversal of the past 40 years. It is such a change that it hasn’t yet been metabolized by the world of people involved in the issue.

So inspired by the vigor of Credit Suisse’s forecast, let me venture a few predictions of my own. The number of Americans working in a climate-relevant industry is going to explode. It is going to undergo what you might call a techification. I was a nerd and a dreamer in high school in the late aughts, which meant I paid attention to the start-ups of that era—such as Twitter, Facebook, and Flickr—in their early years. I remember that fateful moment around 2010 when the valence of the industry switched—it was right around when The Social Network came out—and working in tech went from being a career choice for dorky optimists to the default career track for many ambitious college students. A similar switch is coming for companies working on climate change: The opportunity will be too large, the money too persuasive, the problems too intriguing.

Finally, those of us who have long worked in climate change—and here I include myself, who started covering this topic in 2015—should have some excitement and even humility about this deluge of new talent. Even setting its arduous politics aside, managing climate change is a legitimately difficult technical and cultural problem—it’s going to require as many attentive and enthusiastic brains as possible, and the path to decarbonizing always required an infusion of new workers, investment, and good will. If you don’t yet work in the industry, but have always cared about climate change as an issue, well, this is your moment to get involved. These companies are going to need engineers, yes, but also programmers, accountants, marketers, HR staff, general counsels—there is space for everyone now.

The fight against climate change is going to change more in the next four years than it has in the past 40. The great story of our lives is just beginning. Welcome aboard.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,106 posts)
16. I may be wrong, but most of these things has gone DOWN....eventually.
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 06:19 PM
Oct 2022

Most famously, Myspace, but also Friendster, Peach and Pownce. Twitter will close down one day and the owner will file bankruptcy.

usonian

(9,809 posts)
19. Companies are famously bought. (and your privacy agreements are void, and your data is theirs)
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 07:10 PM
Oct 2022

The standard "exit" for a startup is to go public or be bought (sometimes, just to buy employees all at once).
And sometimes to be bought later, after going public.

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