OMG! *Report: Putin has already decided to use tactical nuclear weapons on Ukraine*

[NewsCenter28]

No wonder President Biden made those bombshell comments tonight.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11288029/Putin-wants-world-dies-says-expert-claims-health.html

'The decision in principle about the use or demonstration of tactical nuclear weapons has been made,' said Dr Solovey, who has been consulted by Western embassies in Moscow after making claims over Putin's medical condition.

'The question is how, when and where. I have no doubts we will end up on the edge of death, but I know we will be able to back off. We will be able to go through this.'

He claimed the current situation is more dangerous and closer to 'nuclear apocalypse' than during the Cuban missile crisis during the Cold War.

I know the DM is conservative but there was no Biden bashing in this article, and in light of the Biden statement tonight, it seemed worthwhile posting. It's also highly believable.

Fareed Zakaria told Don Lemon on CNN tonight that this would result in NATO entering the war and sweeping all Russians out of Ukraine within a few weeks via air power. He doesn't see the US responding in kind with nuclear weapons. Just conventional, overwhelming force.

[StormKing]

1. I figured it would happen

I'm not terribly surprised. I'm glad that we have a non-escalation plan in place.

[Ligyron]

2. Does he actually think this will stop the Ukrainians from waging war?

It won’t.

If anything it will further anger them and probably get NATO involved even if it is a demonstration out in the woods somewhere.

If he actually hits a population center, then it truly will be an apocalypse … for Russia.

Hopefully, his generals will think better of this and nuke him instead.

[oldsoftie]

7. Thats what ive been hoping; they step in when it gets to that point & off him.

[ShazzieB]

14. I just wish they would hurry up already.

[gab13by13]

16. Some of his generals are more radical than he is.

[Ligyron]

37. So we hear.

Guess we'll just have to hope they don't wish to die along with their families.

Thing is, if he did get offfed, they'd say (and probably actually think) it was all one big CIA plot somehow.

Who knows, maybe it will be.

[oldsoftie]

38. But they know the truth about their military. Why would they be WORSE than him??

They have t know nukes will destroy, at the very least, their entire capability to wage war. And at the worst, the end of everything for everybody. I have to think they like their money & women more than being a tough dead guy

[PortTack]

43. That may be but, doesn't mean they wish to go along with the decision to use a nuke.

[muriel_volestrangler]

3. It's not that the Mail is conservative; it's that it's a tabloid piece of lying shit

that makes crap up to sell papers and clicks. Solovey was chucked out of Russia 3 years ago, which is to his credit, but he does not have special insight into Putin or his current thinking.

Please, stop jumping every time some trash newspaper tries to makes you afraid. And don't pass it on to other people - you're only enriching the Mail's wanker owner.

PS: One thing you can be certain of is that President Biden was not influenced in the slightest by what Solovey claims. He runs a serious government, not a rumour mill.

[Grokenstein]

6. THANK YOU. The Mail is garbage.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

13. OMG! Folks will believe anything in print or same thing, Twitter/ the Mail, for clicks.

It’s one guys speculation!! It’s not a “report”.

What’s the deal with wanting clicks?? For profit I get it, otherwise??

Remember Snake Island.

[ShazzieB]

15. Thanks so much for this.

[BumRushDaShow]

17. OMG

You you almost literally wrote what came out of my mouth word or word when I saw the OP!

"It's not that it's conservative - it's a tabloid!"

National Enquirer + NY Post-style muckraking needing huge pillars of salt.

[ancianita]

20. Yes. Indeed, Biden is not influenced by the Mail. And even if the poster is afraid,

the OP's post of this RW rag shows that the Right still likely agrees with Biden. Even the Mail can read existential threats.

The effects on humans of using nuclear tactical weapons will definitely spill over borders, and likely get NATO involved.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_nuclear_weapon

[muriel_volestrangler]

21. The point is that the claim that "he has already decided" is baseless

It comes from a political scientist who hasn't lived there for 3 years, who spends his time inaccurately giving medical diagnoses of Putin (for which he's not qualified), and who has no chance of access to top secret Kremlin decisions. This is not about "existential threats", it's just fearmongering.

[ancianita]

25. Granted. Agree on that worded part.

If you take the spirit of President Biden's words, Biden is not exaggerating Putin's threat

"I don't think there's any such thing as the ability to easily [use] a tactical nuclear weapon and not end up with Armageddon." Quoted by CNN, NBC, and WaPO, if that will make people feel better.

While your argument re this politico's knowledge of Putin's health seems logical, Putin's health could also be interpreted to mean he'd order tactical nuclear weapons use because he's got nothing left to lose, healthy or sick.

Sometimes there's fearmongering in the name of smart fear. Even President Biden knows to take Putin seriously.

[AllyCat]

30. Right? I kept looking at the source and thinking

Tabloid.

[Emrys]

44. Thanks, Muriel. FUD like this serves Putin, and no one else.

The Mail online relies on CLICKBAIT. It's not alone among newspapers in that, but it's a prime exponent.

How many times have we seen Mail photos linked on DU, despite some of us tiresomely pointing out it's a heinous rag?

People seem to think they're fab - that's because the Mail spends a lot of money on photo stock. The rest of its output is usually barely journalism.

There's a reason it's no longer accepted as a reliable source in Latest Breaking News, FFS!

[Yonnie3]

46. Well said -

and several orders of magnitude more credible than the Daily Mail

[Mad_Machine76]

47. Unlike Trump

so thank goddess he's not in power right now.

[no_hypocrisy]

4. Even a "little nuclear warhead" is dangerous.

And if Russia deploys more than one "little nuclear warhead," it's a precipice for the world.

[carpetbagger]

5. Solovey is out there.

He's been peddling Putin's imminent death or overthrow for years

[BeyondGeography]

8. The Mail is a rag but Biden fed the tabloid beast with "Armageddon"

And I doubt his team was happy with that word choice.

[speak easy]

12. The Mail is a rag, and Solovey is a conspiracy theorist.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17231132

[ancianita]

22. Even so, even if you're right, Biden is not exaggerating the threat.

"I don't think there's any such thing as the ability to easily [use] a tactical nuclear weapon and not end up with Armageddon." Quoted by CNN, NBC, and WaPO, if that will make people feel better.

Posters don't have to make this objective statement by President Biden take a backseat to how seriously right wing media are taking his words.

[Aussie105]

9. The question really should be: what is Putin likely to do next?

It would be nice if he said "Oops, bad move!" and withdraw all his troops, apologize to the rest of the world, and promise to make reparations.

But this is Putin, chances of that are zero. The seeds of his insanity were sown the day the war started.

So his next move is what, exactly?

Continue with a war he cannot win, until Russia runs out of weapons and soldiers to throw into battle?
Or make one desperate attempt to win, no matter what the cost? Nuclear attack on Kyiv?

I'm hoping there is a sudden and unexpected answer - an announcement that Putin is no longer in power, that moderates have taken over, and troops are called home. And Russia is prepared to negotiate with the rest of the world as to where things go next.

[oldsoftie]

39. Maybe he can just say he succeeded in cementing the protection of Crimea?

Because in the end thats about all he'll have

[PortTack]

42. Ret Gen Ben Rhoades, David Petraeus, Wes Clark, Mark Hertling all say using a tactical nuke

Will not change the course of the war for russia. Poopin knows this, so why would he do it? He knows this will bring the west directly into the war which he also knows would be his own personal Armageddon. India and China will back away even further.

Yes, he’s nuts, but he’s not stupid.

[speak easy]

10. December 2020: Solovey says Putin under pressure to step down due to fears for his health'

Dr Valery Solovey described as a conspiracy theorist.
https://www.wionews.com/world/valery-solovey-russian-pundit-who-raised-concerns-about-putins-health-arrested-348114

[MerryHolidays]

11. Joe Biden was TOTALLY correct on everything leading up to the February 2022 invasion

I have NO reason to doubt him now. No one, except Joe Biden and his team, thought Russia would invade, including Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

Joe knows what he is talking about. I am glad we have this warning.

[ancianita]

23. Yes, he is.

Me, too.

[dalton99a]

33. +1

[PortTack]

41. President Biden never said what this OP is implying.

[keithbvadu2]

18. It would be genius strategy acc to Trump.

[randr]

19. We need to evaporate him immediately

[Mr. Sparkle]

24. Should Ukraine be given nukes to act as a deterrent ?

They had Nukes until the 90's, or there abouts and voluntary gave them up for a security guarantee

[Javaman]

26. Until another source is provided, I'll take a hard pass

the daily mail is England's version of the Enquirer.

[The Jungle 1]

27. This is a very dangerous time.

What gives me comfort is Joe.
The other thing that is clear we would not be facing this if makeup boy was still in office. He would have handed Ukraine to russia. There would be no weapons and no help for Ukraine. Makeup boy wanted us out of NATO.
Joe is doing the right thing and his vast background gives me comfort.
With the air force of NATO and our air force russia would be shut down quickly. I bet the daily targets are already identified.
My opinion is that russia won't do it. Puketin comes from the russia intel community. He knows he can't win.

[Historic NY]

28. Lets hope cooler heads prevail in Russia and send Putin on a journey to Hell

any first strike will be met with an overwhelming second strike.

[tman]

29. Came in expecting the Daily Mail...

lol

[FSogol]

31. Today's FUD brought to you by....

[Stinky The Clown]

32. ohferkrissakesitsthedailymail

[MarineCombatEngineer]

34. The Daily Mail?

Really?
England's equivalent to the Enquirer?

Wake me when there's a legitimate source reporting this, until then......meh.

[GreenWave]

35. No way! Unless they want Russia turned into glass.

We have seen how his military is.

The nukes are in no way vastly superior.

Many nuke launchers are on unstable ground which means collapse and ruh roh, we just nuked ourselves!

[Emile]

36. Putin needs to be taken out now!

[PortTack]

40. Please stop with this..pot stirring when it comes to something like this is totally UNACCEPTABLE!

[Yonnie3]

45. I'm waiting for a source that is not a click bait tabloid

The Daily Mail is not noted for conservative stories, but for exaggerated and poorly sourced information.

[Initech]

48. Putin and Medvedev are mad men. They need to be gone.

The sooner they are taken out before they can launch nukes the better.

[Treefrog]

49. Is this a hit and run post?

Many have pointed out the problems with your OP.

What is your deal with this?

[lindysalsagal]

50. Busy news day. Good time for it, with Hunter's news. I hope there will be more friday dumps.

Bout calssified docs reveale din the ABC story. Total mis-handling of the government's business is still my top story.