Nurse harasses pregnant patient requesting doctors note for work. Hits her w folder

[Demovictory9]

"What were you thinking when you got pregnant? That you wasnt going to work"

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[MagickMuffin]

1. Wrong line of work missy!

I don’t know what industry you should be working at though, perhaps a sewage plant.

[Demovictory9]

2. No thanks! Say sewage workers

[MagickMuffin]

6. I had a roommate that worked at a sewage plant

We’d go and visit him and he’d give us a tour, from the intake yuk to the outflow much nicer and cleaner.

Most of his shift he’d sent away from other workers, but you do have to interact with other workers during work.

[ProfessorGAC]

3. That Was Weird

Why does any nurse need to know a mindset of a patient if the doctor is already on it?

[TheBlackAdder]

38. The doctor gets a monthly capitation rate, if they're the PCP whether you show up 10 times or never.

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Stuff like this is part of doing business. Then, the doctor gets a small negotiated payment for services.

If the person is a specialist, they will get paid for seeing the patient and a note is part of doing business.

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[SharonAnn]

39. Hmm, white nurse and African American patient?

[ProfessorGAC]

42. Confused Here

How does that connect to what I said?
I was commenting on the oddity of that exchange in a professional setting, especially given the doctor was already dealing with it.

[MontanaMama]

4. What has happened to people?

They’ve lost their damned minds.

[Genki Hikari]

25. You think this is new?

Women's pain has long been dismissed as in our head, and for black women, it was a fricking automatic assumption by a shocking percentage of the medical "community." To the racists among them--and they are not a small number, all black women are lying about pain because they "don't want to work." Doctors and nurses have had zero hesitation about saying that to most black women all of my life. They've had zero compunction about saying, "you weren't complaining like this 9 months ago," or, as with this racist trash, "What were you thinking by getting pregnant?"

It happens

ALL.

THE.

TIME.

My mother worked in medicine for 50 years. I spent most of them listening to her and her co-workers talk shop, and especially their dismay and complaints about how some of their colleagues treated patients, particularly black ones. Doctors screaming at women in labor for being "lazy," or "whiny," calling them the b word, w word, c word, cursing at them, even slapping them, back in the old days--that nonsense happened

ALL.

THE

TIME.

And then people are surprised when women of color have super-high maternal mortality rates compared to white women? Far too many of them have cause to be terrified to go to a doctor when they're pregnant, for fear of being treated like crap and having their legitimate medical concerns dismissed out of hand.

Would YOU want to go to a place where you have a high chance of being treated like that--and be expected to pay for that kind of treatment on top of all else?

[MontanaMama]

31. No. I don't think this is new but

it has definitely escalated in the last year or two.

[sinkingfeeling]

5. Another 'superior' white woman with all the answers.

[a kennedy]

13. and I totally despise them thinking they ARE superior when in actuality they are the dirt

beneath our feet. 🤬 🤬 🤬

[a kennedy]

14. and I totally despise them thinking they ARE superior when in actuality they are the dirt

beneath our feet. 🤬 🤬 🤬

[GoCubsGo]

7. The proper response is "None of your goddamn business."

If that "nurse" wasn't fired after that, she should be.

[Hortensis]

16. Or given a serious talking to and sent back to retake the class on

dealing with these situations. Depending on her work record and interviews.

[XorXor]

41. If I was a doctor there is no way I'd want an unstable person like working for me

I'm not usually supportive of the internet mib identifying people and then working to get the person fired, but this is one of those things in which her behavior is directly related to her job. This lady should not be working in healthcare

[Hortensis]

43. Well, whoever her employer is must consider that there is a HUGE shortage

of skilled medical personnel that can't just be made up by waving a "next one!" wand. The main reason they're leaving the field in such large numbers is that they're FED UP with overwork, underpay, stressful and even dangerous working conditions, and disrespect and abuse from all directions. In a nation become very angry and dystopian, they're first responders on the front lines.

Again, we don't know this person, not even how long and what went on in this interchange until the first call was made to the police and after. Does she have ANY credit to apply for a good record? Regarding the healthcare provider, it's of course not appropriate to wish the patient could be banned, even if that turned out to be desirable. Caring for whatever comes in is part of the job.

[XorXor]

44. I tried to think of the most charitable version that would bring about her behavior

No matter what I came up with, I couldn't think of anything that justified her behavior here. I will say that maybe saying she should NEVER work in healthcare again is a bit harsh. However, I think that anyone who may be considering hiring her in the future should no doubt know about what happened here. Much like police, people in the healthcare make decisions and take actions that have life or death consequences. If it was me, I would want to have some pretty damn good explanation about why that happened, what has changed, and why it would never happen again. As for her current employer, I mean, I don't know. She is a liability and I couldn't imagine them wanting to keep her around. I wouldn't want to go to a provider who kept her. I'd be worried about what she would do if I upset her. Would she accidently forget to do something that puts my health at risk? I don't know. Maybe not, but maybe she would. She didn't come off as being too stable in this video.

[JustAnotherGen]

8. This is why black women

Have such high maternal death rates.

[MaryMagdaline]

10. Exactly!! Black women's pain is never real

[Delphinus]

21. Yes.

Unbelievable and maddening that the issue has not yet been addressed.

[Solly Mack]

12. Yes

[MaryMagdaline]

9. "I worked until I dropped the baby in the field"

Good for you, super woman. When you’re old and need help walking I’ll tell you stories about my grandmother who had zero osteoporosis. Tell me then how that’s relevant to your case.

[Hortensis]

11. The nurse was very out of line to engage in conversation that

left the medical for the personal.

But I'm otherwise totally unclear about what's happening there. The NURSE had already called the police? So an altercation had started earlier, and the patient was still there, refusing to leave and insisting on (harassing?) a "note" that said what she wanted it to? Telling the nurse to go ahead and call the police 'again"?

Just who's harassing whom? The nurse is supposed to be there. The other woman was not. And was the nurse hitting her with the folder or putting it between them as she tried to move away?

Whatever all that was, here's a bottom line to consider: No one here knows if the patient needs to be put on paid maternity leave for medical reasons. We do know that the examining nurse has given her opinion both in writing and verbally that she does not. And that the woman did not leave to pursue her claim further through another route.

[oregonjen]

17. A woman's health issues are often dismissed. Even by other women

I’ve had experiences where my health issues were dismissed and had to seek a different doctor that would actually investigate why I was having pain, etc. This has happened to my mother, my daughter and my friends. The healthcare industry needs to take women seriously, not acting like this white female nurse is.
Also, perhaps the patient was advocating for herself after being dismissed too many times and is fed up.

[Hortensis]

18. No excuse. I'm a woman, btw. Again, we have absolutely NO reason to assume

this woman's concerns were not taken seriously. Or even to assume that she has medical issues.

Seriously. NO reason. We don't know the truth.

There's supposed to be more difference (incredibly more!) between people on a forum for Democrats and the MAGAs' "we're right and they're dirt under our feet" mobs than which side is spouting off their angry ignorance at the moment.

[Genki Hikari]

29. Oh good grief

We know the NP didn't take this woman's concerns seriously and was dismissive of them, because the NP is being dismissive about them ON VIDEO. Are you really so unprofessional and so determined to stand up for white trash that you don't get how wrong and dismissive of a pregnant patient it is to say, "What were you thinking, getting pregnant?" Or that she could tell whether or not the woman was experiencing pain by touching her cervix? Even the most cursory knowledge of basic anatomy makes it clear that a fricking cervix would tell you nothing about what's going on with a patient's back, legs, feet or any other part of a body aching from pregnancy.

Yet YOU dismissed that patient's concerns about those things JUST LIKE THE RACIST NP did.

Professionals--especially professionals who care about their patients don't say disgusting things like that to a patient.

Not ever.

We also know it's all on the NP BECAUSE THE PATIENT WAS WAITING FOR A NOTE FROM AN MD AGREEING WITH HER CONCERNS. It was the fact that this woman was getting that note that set this racist hag off.

What part of all that did you miss?

[slightlv]

20. My doctor of over 20 years

moved to another city. I searched and searched for another doctor that would actually read my history and listen to *me.* By that time, I'd had two back surgeries and a replaced hip, and the latest specialist update was further disintegration above and below the surgery areas in my back.

But I wasn't just the back pain or the sciatica or the stenosis... I hurt all over and had no energy. I KNEW something else was going on. I'd also been off my pain meds for over 8 months and was just about to go bonkers with all the pain. Every single doctor, both male and female, acted like I was only there "searching" for drugs. Not one looked thru my history while I was with them, no one questioned me about the surgeries or who my specialist had been, etc.

I did have a meltdown with the last (female) doctor and told her exactly what I thought of the entire situation I'd been going thru. Told them no wonder my parents had stopped going to her when my dad took really sick.

Finally gave up and drove the 45 miles to where my previous doctor was practicing, and have been doing that ever since. Come to find out, not only was my back a mess (and still is), but she diagnosed me with lupus, and referred me to a rheumatologist. His dx was one marker missing for lupus, but every marker hit for fibromyalgia.

But every single one of those other "doctors" just KNEW I was only there, looking for drugs... It's a rare doctor who will truly listen to women about pain. A backache is something they get when they bend over and pick up a box wrong. They have no idea what a crushing pain real spinal problems can dole out. Let alone, when every joint in your body feels like it's on fire with a knife sticking through it.

I hate the fact I have to drive 45 minutes both ways to see my doc. At 67, it's not getting any easier to do. But it's a heck of a lot easier than my experience in trying to find a new one who'll actually listen to me! And at least, every 2nd time I can do telehealth.

[MaryMagdaline]

23. The patient was waiting for the doctor's note.

Apparently the doctor was inside writing the note that the nurse refused to write. So the patient had to wait there.

“The doctor is getting me the note right now.”

The NP can have her opinion. She can speak her mind and refuse to sign something that she doesn’t agree with but the doctor can arrive at her own conclusion. Maybe the doctor had to be off her feet weeks before she gave birth? To sit there and berate the patient is just cruel and a waste of time.

[Genki Hikari]

26. The patient was waiting for the doctor to give her the note

Is my understanding.

The nurse was mad that she was getting a note, and started arguing with the woman over it.

Take it from a daughter of a nurse: This white trash was completely out of hand. The doctor countermanded you? Oh well. Let it go.

There was ZERO reason to ask her, "What were you thinking by getting pregnant?" That is totally unprofessional and out of line to go there--FOR ANY REASON, I don't care how angry a patient has made you. THE NURSE IS THE PROFESSIONAL, AND MUST BEHAVE THAT WAY.

It also doesn't matter if the nurse "hit" her or merely put the laptop cover between them. When it made contact with the patient, it was assault or battery, depending on how Pennsylvania defines unwarranted and aggressive physical contact. That, too, is completely unprofessional and uncalled for.

[intheflow]

32. Are you blaming the patient?

She asked for a doctor’s note for reduced activity at work. She wasn’t trying to get out of work. You don’t know what her job is or her job requirements. I’m a librarian and expected to lift 50 lbs for my job. My white pregnant coworkers routinely get notes like this while pregnant, exempting them from that requirement, as a workplace accommodation. The doctor was writing this patient that note at the very time this nurse decided to demean this woman by suggesting she’s lazy and doesn’t want to work, and then hit her with her file. 100% sure this nurse would never have behaved this way with a white patient.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: THE PERSON BRINGING UP THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE PROBLEM.

[Hortensis]

34. No. I'm saying know the facts before blaming or excusing ANYONE.

We don't have to have an opinion on everything.. That people think we're entitled to be nasty to anyone we choose without knowing the facts is a sign of society gone wrong.

We know the nurse was extremely inappropriate and unprofessional in asking the patient personal questions and have a basis for an opinion on that, limited to what we heard.

As for the outrageous attacks after that, for all anyone here knows, this NP may believe all parents should be legally entitled to a year of maternity/parental leave, and vote for it. She may adore Bernie, and the patient may loathe him and proudly refuse vaccination out of political spite.

We don't know these people, and we don't know most of the facts.

[intheflow]

35. What I know is the nurse is racist and petty.

In my 58 years of being a white female, I’ve never had a nurse accuse me of being lazy when I’ve gone for exams while in pain. No one ever suggested my illness was created by me to get out of work. But please, continue living in your colorblind world, where lethal Black maternity outcomes is only because of {pick your excuse - “they were rude,” “they’re lazy,” “white woman felt threatened when a Black woman called her a weirdo”. }

[gulliver]

40. Remember, the medical worker was threatened with a camera

When people are threatened, it has a physical effect, raising their adrenaline and putting them in "fight or flight" mode. What you say when you're afraid, in other words, doesn't necessarily reflect who you are. It looks to me like the nurse saw the camera, and everyone with any sense knows that's a terrifying sight these days.

Threatening someone with a camera is a drastic thing to do. Was the patient justified in waving around a life-ruining weapon?

I'd like to see the "whole video." Hopefully there were cameras in the clinic that can show the whole story. There are also lawsuits that can be filed. I like oaths.

On edit: I changed the word "nurse" to use the phrase "medical worker." We don't know whether the OP is correct in calling the worker a "nurse" as far as I can tell. I also think contemptuously disparaging people like nurse practitioners and other highly trained medical workers as not "real DOCTORs" is uncalled for. It shows disrespect on the part of the patient, and that could also be a contributing factor to the escalation.

[Sympthsical]

15. Whaaaaaaaat

Going to be an RN once school is done and this would never, ever, ever, ever, ever, in the history of ever enter my mind as a form of acceptable interaction with a patient.

In ever. Like, how did this conversation even start? Which part of this nurse's mind pinged to, "I need to insert my opinions here?"

You're not there to judge choices. You're there to provide treatment and care. The end.

This was like the medical equivalent of watching someone tut at the person in front of them at check out over their food choices. Hey, no one asked you. Mind ya business.

[dalton99a]

19. Kick

[MaryMagdaline]

24. Bless her heart. Probably raised by "don't cry or I'll give you something to cry about" parents

[Genki Hikari]

27. I was raised that way--by a nurse, no less

And I find this interaction horrible. I also wouldn't act this way about a doctor countermanding my medical assessment. Medical professionals disagree. Oh well. Get over it and move on to the next patient!

[MaryMagdaline]

30. I was raised that way, too.

Took me years to figure out that I was a judgmental b****. Both parents also softened over the years and regretted their harsh parenting tactics.

[intheflow]

33. My phone's screen is cracked, so when I first saw this,

I thought the frame around her photo said “QpenToWork”.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

22. What's her fucking problem?

[Genki Hikari]

28. What it always boils down to with racist trash

A brown person not being sufficiently subservient and cowed into taking whatever nonsense is dished out at them.

[Aristus]

36. I don't have hiring & firing authority.

But I would definitely kick that awful monster masquerading as a medical professional off my clinical team.

[XanaDUer2]

37. Patient entitled to a 2nd opinion

Looks like the patient got a note from the doctor and the nurse is mad because her own "professional opinion" wasn't followed. Tough.

Before my full disability, I got lots of doctor notes for work.