80-year-old woman mauled to death by two dogs in San Bernardino County

[IcyPeas]

The 2 dogs were the breed Dogo Argentinos. These dogs are banned in some other countries as being a dangerous breed according to Wikipedia .

An 80-year-old woman out for a walk was mauled to death by two dogs in Baldy Mesa, an unincorporated area of San Bernardino County, authorities said.

Sheriff’s deputies found Soon Han lying on the road shortly after 11 a.m. Friday near the intersection of Vinton Street and Mesa Road, according to a news release from the sheriff’s office. Han, who suffered major injuries during the attack, was pronounced dead at the scene.

Two Dogo Argentino dogs were captured and are being held by the county’s Animal Control agency as the department continues its investigation, authorities said.

L.A. Times:
https://archive.ph/tfCto#selection-1937.0-1945.159

about the dog breed:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogo_Argentino

[Johnny2X2X]

1. Awful

And that breed is extremely powerful. They can make great pets, but it’s another breed some people get for the wrong reasons.

[shanti]

20. Rather like the Presa Canario

Another scary dog

[LeftInTX]

21. And the caption. My presa watches over my baby

Super safe baby, my Presa watched my kids like they were hers. I miss her every day but she had a long life 13 years.

I'm sick of these vicious dogs are nanny dogs BS.....

[Johnny2X2X]

32. As if a baby needs a guard dog

I don't really believe certain breeds are more vicious, but there are certainly more powerful breeds who have the will and ability to take a fight or attack to the end.

And let's be honest here, I'm sure there are truly great traits with Dogo Argentinos and Preso Canarios, but 90% of the people who own them are getting them because they want basically a 100 pound pit bull. And that's what they're getting, Dogo Argentinos were bred from fighting dogs combined with other large and powerful breeds.

The fact is, all dogs are a little unpredictable, the worst dog bite I've ever gotten was from a golden retriever. But certain breeds just are bred to do more damage and to finish.

And the attacks on humans get all the press, but so many of these breeds just don't get along with other dogs. For every human attack there are dozens of attacks where one of these breeds bred for fighting kills or severely injures someone's poodle, springer spaniel, or any other breed. That's the thing people who love pit bulls fail to mention too often, (and I love some pit bulls I know), that they pretty easy to get to be docile and friendly with people, it's their instinct, but it's not as easy to get them to not be aggressive towards other dogs. And if you don't have them when they're a puppy and haven't socialized them with other dogs, that drive to attack other dogs can be impossible to get rid of once it's there. I've known multiple old ladies in the neighborhood who had to watch helplessly while their small dogs were mauled to death by pit bulls who had jumped their fences or escaped their yards. That's just not a dog that should exist, one whose instinct to kill other dogs is so high.

[LeftInTX]

33. Yes. I personally feel dogs are a tremendous responsibility

I've raised three kids, but we've had dogs come and go because I could not train them and they were too aggressive for my kids. I felt the dogs were more work than my kids! Not bad aggressive. They were blue heeler puppy (impulse of my husband's), collie malamute mix (stray..dumped in our yard), schnauzer (stray). However, my kids were young and hubby wanted a dog for "our kids". Hubby failed to realize that training a dog was harder than raising a kid. (Their minds don't work like human minds). The blue heeler and our son didn't get along. I won't even go with the collie malamute mix (that one would take a full page!) I could not get the schnauzer to stop humping my two year old. It also growled. We took the blue heeler and schnauzer to obedience school, but it didn't work.

(This was in the 80's and early 90's. I didn't have the internet and I didn't know anything about dogs, because I was a cat person.)


I finally had success when we obtained our two year old chihuahua terrier mix. (Weight was like 5-8 pounds) This little dog was my mother in law's dog and we knew everything about her. She was also spayed. She was trained enough, that she could walk on a leash. We knew her quirks and everything. We knew that she had a sibling and that the sibling had run away and that the dog suffered from separation anxiety. We knew that she was the runt of the litter and was the more passive dog. We knew the dog wanted to be an indoor dog, but my mother in law insisted that she stay outdoors. My mother in law couldn't take the dog's constant crying. So, we offered to take her and she became an indoor dog. I even carried the dog in kids front pack. She loved it. She also adapted very quickly to the crate. The crate allowed her to sleep in our rooms. She loved the crate. She loved the attention of being an indoor dog and she felt accepted and grateful. Sweet little dog, but even she was work. She never was fully housebroken. And she continued with some separation anxiety. (I think this is a chihuahua trait) She hated rainy weather and we had to keep her in her crate pretty much 24/7 when there was bad weather.

We were also very fortunate that she did not have the chihuahua aggressive streak. (Heck I didn't know that chihuahuas could be aggressive until we saw Cesar Milan years later!). She did not have stranger anxiety like other chihuahua's. However, we could always put her in her little crate when we had people over.

This dog did not growl at anyone until she started into old age. (during the last year of her life...however, my kids were grown and it was just a startle growl. The dog immediately calmed down. She may have been in pain when she was unexpectedly lightly touched) We also had the advantage, if we needed to go on vacation, my mother in law would dog sit for us. She was our family pet from age 2-16. When she died, my kids were grown. I have no need for a dog. We had the dog for the kids, which my husband insisted on.

After all is said and done, large breeds are stronger and they are more likely to "challenge" and engage in power struggles with their owners. They are more likely to pull on a leash. (This is probably the first sign of aggression). If a dog won't walk at your side while on a leash, it's probably going to be owning you instead of you owning the dog!

[Johnny2X2X]

44. Good for you for recognizing how hard it can be to train a dog

It's not for everyone. And you have to not only train a dog for yourself, but also give the dog a good life. Some of the most enthusiastic dog lovers I know don't own dogs because they know they can't devote the proper time to giving the dog a good life.

Doesn't mean that all Pits or Dogos or Canes are bad and dangerous. The nicest and sweetest dog I've ever know was a 75 pound pit bull named Dugan. He held no desire to harm anything, including the kittens he found, the baby rabbits he brought home, or the 10 or so skunks he tried to make friends with to no avail. He even tried to befriend a beaver once only to get thwacked on the nose with its tail.

But there's a responsibility with owning any dog, especially the more powerful breeds. And I've seen dangerous dogs whose owners have no idea that they're dangerous. "Oh Max is the sweetest, he loves his family..." When it's obvious to me after meeting Max for 10 minutes that he doesn't know his place in the pack, that Max might respect his 1 owner, but he considers the rest of humanity to be behind him in the pack pecking order.

It's an owner's responsibility to be an expert on their breed. They must know what behaviors they need to look for. All of these stories about the nice family dog just flipping a switch one day are 99% bunk. I guarantee 99% of the stories had huge signs before an attack like this. The owners either wanted aggressive dogs, or they failed to recognize that they were allowing dangerous behavior in their dogs.

Pit Bulls are a difficult problem because they can be really easy to train (house break, walk, do tricks, behave in general), but then a lot of people don't know what signs to look for that they might be dangerous (food aggression, aggression towards other animals, defiance of people on space etc). I love some pit bulls I know, best dogs ever, but I also know there are way too many pits in the hands of people who can't train the properly.

Pit Bulls have a will to please that is second to none in the dog world. They will chew through a wall if their owner wants them to. Unfortunately, it's that will to please I think that makes them fighters.

[at140]

2. Owners of dogs should face manslaughter

First crime is to breed dangerous breeds.
Even bigger crime is to let them run loose without control.

[Journeyman]

3. Dogos Argentinos -- originally bred to hunt wild boar. That about says it all . . .

the pool of people capable of controlling such a beast must be incredibly small.

[exboyfil]

8. And pumas

Who thinks this dog belongs anywhere near people? A wolf would be less dangerous.

[Demovictory9]

12. Wiki says one of source breeds is great Danes...chill dogs

[Demovictory9]

4. Horrible!!!

[Hekate]

5. Poor soul. Baldy Mesa -- jeez I remember that area from college

[ripcord]

6. I'm in Phelan right next to Baldy Mesa

We have so many dogs running loose out here it is ridiculous, a couple came into the yard and tore up one of our dogs, $1500 vet bill there. What is really scary is when they start forming packs.

[babylonsister]

7. Picture of an argentino...

[ratchiweenie]

9. Weren't these dogs bred from Pit Bull or Bull Terrier stock. Lovely dog but again, maybe dangerous.

[debm55]

10. It does look like a Pit

I read a while ago that they are more agressive then Pits.

[DenaliDemocrat]

29. Not really. Bigger, stronger, and more prey drive

But not bred to fight to the death no matter what like pitbulls. Dogos are hunting dogs. Pitbulls are fighting dogs.

[Demovictory9]

13. Great Dane too

[IcyPeas]

16. See the Wikipedia link in OP. Gives a bit of their history.

[Polybius]

17. I guess "lovely" is in the eye of the beholder

It looks ugly to me.

[Sogo]

23. Me, too. nt.

[ratchiweenie]

40. Lovely in that people who own them say they are the most loyal, affectionate dogs they

have ever had.

[canetoad]

19. If my ears were trimmed

Into little points, I'd be a bit bitey too.

How'd you come through Ian?

[debm55]

11. So sorry for the women. How horrible.

Darn shame you can't even take a walk.

[vercetti2021]

14. Notice these threads

If it's a pitty. Its BOLD about it in your face. But another breed? Crickets

[LeftInTX]

15. Dogo Argentina are worse than pitbulls.

Extremely aggressive breed.
They are not very common.

[flvegan]

24. "worse" how?

And no, they aren't "extremely aggressive" generally.

[LeftInTX]

25. Republicans love Dogo Argentinas. I will leave it at that.

Never heard of them until the local RNC chick and her Russian husband showed up on the scene with them.

[flvegan]

26. Wait, what?

1 republican shows up with one, and automatically it's a terrible breed? Got it.

[LeftInTX]

27. Never heard of them until this. Look you defend aggressive dogs left and right.

You're defending the dogs that killed this 80 year old woman and you're defending the pit bulls who killed those two kids.

Why are this dogs banned in the following countries?
Australia https://petraveller.com.au/blog/prohibited-dog-and-cat-breeds-in-australia
Denmark https://www.foedevarestyrelsen.dk/english/ImportExport/Travelling_with_pet_animals/Pages/The-Danish-dog-legislation.aspx
Iceland: https://playiceland.is/guide/dogs-cats-and-reptiles-in-iceland-your-questions-answered/
The UK: https://www.gov.uk/control-dog-public/banned-dogs
New Zealand: https://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/dogs-animals/problems-dogs/Pages/dangerous-dogs.aspx



Is this your idea of some wonderful animal? A freak'n war horse? Do you own AR-15's also, because this guy sure does? Are you in Trump trains because him and his wife are? Maybe they can take their lovely Dogo Argentinas and move into your neighborhood because I'm sick of having them in mine!

BTW: They work for the RNC. They are the face of the Republican party.











The chick on the left is a former Democratic Precinct Chair. These bastards are converting them over. Fuck them.

[DenaliDemocrat]

30. No they are not.

They are hard and aggressive working dogs bred to hunt big game and do Schutzhund (now IPO).

Pitbulls are bloodsport dogs and generally SUCK at everything except biting and then thrashing.

I play the doggie games. You see a pitbull once in a blue moon. Dogos are more popular among working dogs (but still not popular).

[LeftInTX]

34. I dunno. They were bred to kill boars and mountain lions

Here is the dogo's stock:



Cordoba fighting dog
Great Dane
Boxer
Spanish Mastiff
Old English Bulldog
Bull Terrier
Pyrenean Mastiff
English Pointer
Irish Wolfhound
Dogue de Bordeaux

It was created by cross breading the Cordoba fighting dog with other breeds.

[iemanja]

18. Where were the owners?

The article says nothing about them.

[uponit7771]

31. +1,

[Sky Jewels]

22. Glad to be a kitty person.

[leftyladyfrommo]

28. Those dogs are super expensive. Someone right

there owns them. The neighbors will know.

[honest.abe]

35. I am becoming a dog hater especially these huge killer breeeds.

Why do people need to have these monsters as "pets"?? I just dont get it.

[Coventina]

36. You should be a people hater. They were created by people. n/t

[honest.abe]

37. I am beginning to also hate people that own these breeds.

[Coventina]

38. But not the people who created them? Interesting. n/t

[honest.abe]

39. Yes, those people too and anyone who minimizes the risk of these monsters.

[Coventina]

41. OK, just making sure your finger is pointed in the right direction.

PS: The dogs in question did not ask to be bred. It's the humans who are responsible.

[honest.abe]

42. You sound like the gun lovers who don't blame the guns.

[Coventina]

45. Hahahahaha!

You're adorable!

[LeftInTX]

43. There always seems to be animal crisis.

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This is the latest one.

When I look back:
Rabies (fortunately before my time, but canine rabies was a big killer of people prior to WWII)
Strays
Pet over population..
Puppy mills
Now too many bully breed dogs..