In debate, Tim Ryan says he doesn't want Biden to run in 2024

[Nevilledog]

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Rep. Tim Ryan (D-OH) says "no" when asked if he wants President Biden to run again in 2024:

"We need a new generation of leadership across the board."


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4:23 PM · Oct 10, 2022

Ummm......

[FalloutShelter]

1. Every time a prominent Democrat

Says this, they contribute to making Joe a lame duck… whether he decides to run or not.

[TheRealNorth]

4. I agree

If you are afraid of tying your horse to Biden, all it does is make you look like a craven.

[Trueblue1968]

13. i agree with you and think Ryan needs to shut up about Joe. What a bad comment

Ryan knows better that to slap Joe !!!!!!!!!! Biden is the BEST THING that has happened to the US in decades.
He and Obama have been wonderful presidents.

[PortTack]

48. This..great way to lose the WH ....oppose an incumbent. QUIT IT!

President Biden has gotten sooo much done, why are they doing this!

[tritsofme]

14. If Republicans take the Senate, Biden's first term is already over.

No more judges confirmed, just a bunch of nonsense.

Whatever Ryan can do to win, he should go for it.

[sop]

18. Joe will forgive him.

[BlueIdaho]

33. Yup.

Would not be the first time a Democrat in a very tight race needed to create some distance from the President in order to win.

[questionseverything]

37. Exactly

People act like Biden is made of glass or something

Politics ain’t bean bag

[ZonkerHarris]

62. Don't worry, Senator Ryan will campaign for Joe big time in 2024. The important thing is getting

a Senator Ryan first.
he can say whatever the fuck he needs to in order to get elected in OHIO!

[msongs]

2. he could start by getting out the way...of the younger crowd lol nt

[ShazzieB]

10. Who could get out of what way now?

Spell it out, please.

[msongs]

63. he wants the old timers to get out of the way. to let younger guys like him take over. well then

maybe he should get out of the way. to let younger guys THAN him take over. his position is self serving for sure

[elleng]

3. DARN!

[femmedem]

5. This will probably help him win his election, though.

Biden's approval rating is 41% in Ohio and his disapproval rating is 56% among likely voters. Democrats are going to vote for Ryan regardless, but he might have lost the undecideds if he said Biden should run again.

Do I like it? No. But do I want Ryan to win? Yes.

[Cha]

25. the majority of Ohio

is brainwashed Against Pres Joe Biden.

Bet there's a LOT of fox "news" truthers out there.

[Doc Sportello]

35. This

Look at what repugs are running across the country and the worst thing you can say about Ryan is he's doing what he thinks he has to in order to win - and maybe keeping the Dems in control of the Senate with a victory.

[Diamond_Dog]

36. +100

[Xavier Breath]

44. Exactly. With Biden under water in Ohio

it's only logical Ryan distance himself from Biden. Hence all of his tv ads touting his siding with Trump on trade. Yeah, it sucks, but it may make just enough difference for him to get elected, and that's all that matters.

[greatauntoftriplets]

6. The good news is that I live in Illinois.

I'm voting for Tammy Duckworth.

[ShazzieB]

11. Same here!

[greatauntoftriplets]

17. We're very lucky to have her.

[ShazzieB]

64. Yes, indeed! 😁

[whathehell]

34. Me too.. I love the TV ad she's running..

Do you happen to know what Repub is running against her?

[greatauntoftriplets]

55. I didn't know either until last week.

It's someone named Kathy Salvi. She's married to Al Salvi, who ran for senate in 1998 and lost to Dick Durbin. Thankfully.

[whathehell]

61. Ok.thanks..The names sounds familiar..I'll look her up. n/t

.

[honest.abe]

7. This really hurts Democrats across the board.

Very unfortunate Ryan has gone this route.

[Demsrule86]

16. He is running in Ohio...he need crossovver vote...

[honest.abe]

19. I hope it works in Ohio but it sounds horrible to the rest of us.

[BannonsLiver]

26. +1

It’s amazing to me how few people understand the difficulties of Dems running in red states. And Ohio IS a red state. Not everywhere is Vermont or Connecticut, folks.

[Cha]

31. Brainwashed fox news "crossover

votes".. yeah I get it.

[Nevilledog]

42. Same explanation for this?

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Rep. Tim Ryan (D-OH) says "Kamala Harris is absolutely wrong" when she says the border is secure:

"I'm here to speak the truth. We have more work to do, which is why I have a resolution to designate fentanyl as a weapon of mass destruction."


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4:57 PM · Oct 10, 2022

[BannonsLiver]

43. Yes. Now you're getting it!

[Polybius]

53. You think the border is secure?

There clearly are problems at the border.

[maxsolomon]

58. What does "secure" mean?

Are there Mexican troops crossing it?

"Secure" is nebulous; it means what the GQP wants it to mean: scary browns coming for your jerbs.

[Polybius]

60. It just means that a huge amount of people are crossing it illegally

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I get that some don't care, as some want open borders. That's cool, there are all different levels of liberalism. But the majority don't support this, especially in Ohio.

[honest.abe]

67. It is impossible to have a border 100% "secure".

Especially a border as long as ours with a neighboring country who’s population is extremely poor and desperate to get here. A Trump wall would not be “secure” either. They figured out how to get through portions of that stupid wall within hours.

We are doing our best to secure the border. But we also have compassion for those people who want to come here. It’s how America became America.

[maxsolomon]

68. i don't want "open borders" (another nebulous GQP term).

people from all over the hemisphere are crossing illegally and legally, and many are claiming asylum, which is legal.

they're desperate or they wouldn't be coming. the crisis of anthropogenic climate change is only growing worse, plus Venezuela's collapse, plus the drug cartels, plus RW paramilitaries, etc.

intractable crises out of the US' control (but for which we bear some responsibility) are driving it, not that some liberals are cool with "open borders". the US border is not "open"; it's overwhelmed. the borders of Europe are overwhelmed, too - it's a global crisis.

was the border "secure" before jan 21, 2021? my impression is that a "secure" border became a problem for democrats on jan 22, 2021.

[LenaBaby61]

22. REALLY THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

[PatSeg]

56. I agree

Democrats don't need to be seen as fighting one another and we certainly don't need Democrats undermining a very successful presidency.

This is such a shame, as I finally was warming up to Tim Ryan. It took quite awhile for me to get over him challenging Nancy Pelosi as Speaker. It turns out she is one of the most effective House Speakers ever. So now he is saying the Democratic president shouldn't run for reelection? I don't know, maybe this will help him in Ohio, but it can't be good for the Democratic party overall.

[nevergiveup]

8. Talk about sucking enthusiasm out of the room.

There has got to be a better way to make his point.

[Pantagruel]

9. JB's decision

will be unaffected by Ryan's wish lists.

[Lovie777]

12. At least Democrats are in most part not single minded trolls .....

and have individual thought unlike the party of death - GQP.

[mcar]

15. ...

[JT45242]

20. Treat him like a child

Zero committee assignment if he wins.

[Midnight Writer]

21. He wanted Pelosi gone, too. Whatever. He's still a 100 times better choice than Vance.

This is not the time for purity or loyalty tests.

[onecaliberal]

23. Love when democrats spout repuke talking points.

NOT. We don’t need Manchin light.

[Ninga]

24. Please people, have a little compassion for us in Ohio.

Ohio went for Trump and Ryan needs to win.
It’s razor close here. Vance is slick and doesn’t look crazy.

[BannonsLiver]

27. I'm in the Al Davis "Just win baby" camp.

Style points and Twitter likes be damned.

[Raven123]

30. I agree with your assessment of Vance, but good on Ryan for the a$$ kisser comments

He tied Vance to MAGA pretty tightly, and was able to defend his record as a public servant.

[whathehell]

32. I understand..I like Ryan and truly hope he beats Vance.

but I don't think he should be throwing shade at Biden.

[Arkansas Granny]

28. Has anyone named another Democrat who has a chance of winning in 2024?

As much as I admire VP Harris, I don't believe she could win the Presidency at this time. Not only that, I don't believe she would oppose Biden for the nomination if he chooses to run again.

[Cha]

40. That's what I was wondering..

who the Hell is Suppose to WIN in 2024?!

I realize Tim Ryan has to play up to the fox news Brainwashed in Ohio.. but Fuck.. It Sucks living in the fucking TWILIGHT ZONE!!

[LenaBaby61]

45. REALLY THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

[Cha]

46. Mahalo, Lena!

[whathehell]

29. Ryan said the same thing about Nancy Pelosi a few years back

He and a few others wanted to challenge her for the Speakership

[empedocles]

54. Ryan, again, gets his x minutes of media time.

[yortsed snacilbuper]

38. The people in hell want ice water, too!

[LiberalFighter]

39. It is not up to him. It is up to the voters to decide. In the primaries.

[Cha]

41. SOLID POINT!!

[In It to Win It]

47. I don't care. Say whatever you have to say to win

I remember watching a documentary and them mentioning that Biden is more than willing to be "bad guy." If Joe has to be the "enemy", Joe is willing to play along. If you want Joe to campaign with you, he's willing to play along.

[JI7]

49. Let people in these states do what they need to win

Not everything is a real national news story. It's just Campaign strategy to win in a conservative state. by

[FloridaBlues]

50. Voters vote for candidate not if they support the President regardless of poll numbers

For Biden. I hope Ryan gets elected but there was a more artfull way of answering this simple question.

[budkin]

51. It's a smart strategy in Ohio and could help win that election

No problem with it.

[Mike Nelson]

52. Hmm...

... if this is this the "headline" from the debate, I'm thinking Ryan can pick up this Senate seat!

[Lunabell]

57. What he wants is irrelevant.

Biden has my 💯 % support.

[zeusdogmom]

59. There is some truth to what Tim Ryan was saying

Our leadership is on the older side. The good news is that they are GREAT at their job. But we do need to be looking to the future. Here in Ohio the backbench is pretty thin and it puts us at a disadvantage in some of the races.

To his credit Tim often states the uncomfortable truth.

FWIW - I am voting for Tim Ryan and every other Democrat up and down the ticket

[W_HAMILTON]

65. This wins over exactly no one...

...and, worse yet, is likely to turn off some Democratic voters that are not engaged as many of us are. In particular, I can very much see certain minority voters that are very supportive of Biden turning against Ryan because they see him as shitting on Biden and what he has accomplished for them and instead is choosing to bend over backwards to earn the support of MAGA Republicans whose vote he will NEVER get.

Oh well, I guess it's a win-win regardless. Either Tim "I'm a Democrat that hates Democrats" Ryan wins the Senate seat (unlikely) or he loses and we don't have to hear him in office bitching about Democrats anymore.

[DFW]

66. I understand why he said it, but it could still have been worded differently.

He could have easily said, "I would prefer a younger person from a younger generation. Of course, if the president chooses to run for re-election, that is certainly up to him." That sidesteps the question, and pushes the debate moderator to move on.

Being totally realistic doesn't work for Democrats in red states, so I think we have to cut Ryan some slack here, distasteful as it might seem from the safety of our keyboards. After the midterms, the reality becomes, "1.) What has Joe Biden accomplished? 2.) Does it look like he can keep it up for four more years? 3.) If not, who should replace him at the head of the ticket?"

The obvious answer to #1 is PLENTY!!

The less obvious answer to #2 is Who the hell knows? He sure seems to be doing a fine job so far. It would take an exceptional 80 year old man to keep up what he has been accomplishing so far. But up til now, Joe Biden has proven himself to be most exceptional.

The answer to #3 is a minefield. It's dangerous to NOT offer the nomination to a younger, loyal sitting VP if he/she wants it. The immediate response is "why not?" and the answer "she might well lose because she is by far not the strongest candidate" will NOT sit well with much of OUR base. I happen to believe that is true, but what I think doesn't matter. Who should be our presidential candidate if Biden passes, and Harris is passed over? The names Buttegeig and Klobchar come to mind, but a new Barack Obama could just as easily come out of nowhere, saying the right things, and bringing crowds to their feet. House members rarely get elected directly to the presidency, but Eric Swalwell might be the sort of candidate to electrify the crowds. We have some talent, but we turned out to have a LOT more talent in Joe Biden than most of us ever thought possible, I'm not ready to toss that aside just yet.