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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,170 posts)
Tue Oct 11, 2022, 01:20 PM Oct 2022

He's fucking losing it

Fact-checker shreds Trump's newest excuse for stashing classified documents

On Monday, FactCheck.org deconstructed a particular claim from former President Donald Trump — that other presidents had stashes of government documents comparable to the one the FBI raided his home in Mar-a-Lago to seize — and revealed it to be completely false.

"Trump accused several of his presidential predecessors of storing White House documents, including ones that were classified, in unsecured warehouse spaces," wrote Robert Farley and Lori Robertson. "For example, Trump said, 'George H.W. Bush took millions and millions of documents to a former bowling alley pieced together with what was then an old and broken Chinese restaurant, they put them together. And it had a broken front door and broken windows. Other than that it was quite secure. And there was no security.'"

This prompted a tweet from Jeb Bush, who replied, “I am so confused. My dad enjoyed a good Chinese meal and enjoyed the challenge of 7-10 split. What the heck is up with you?”

The problem with Trump's claim, is that "all of the examples Trump mentioned were cases of the National Archives and Records Administration — not the former presidents themselves — storing documents in secure facilities, while permanent presidential libraries were being built." For example, in the case of Bush, "none of the presidential records, including classified documents, were in Bush’s possession or in his personal residence," and the former bowling alley was specifically retrofitted as a storage space to securely hold classified material.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fact-checker-shreds-trump-s-newest-excuse-for-stashing-classified-documents/ar-AA12OCJC

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He's fucking losing it (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2022 OP
When Jeb Bush is the good guy in a story, you know the country has gone around the bend. Aristus Oct 2022 #1
That, and Where Was All This JEB Snark in 2015/16? The_Counsel Oct 2022 #2
Trump has done more for the Bush family than they ever could have jcgoldie Oct 2022 #15
Oh, I am going to laugh about this for days LisaM Oct 2022 #24
A kernel of truth cyclonefence Oct 2022 #3
NARA has called TFG's claims false and misleading LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2022 #4
Geez us Christ on a cracker. Why can't people call this sad pile of dung Ray Bruns Oct 2022 #8
Trump is not even pretending that all these documents are headed to his "library". chriscan64 Oct 2022 #5
You mean like this one? Future site of the Trump Presidential Library FakeNoose Oct 2022 #23
Don't you mean LIEberry Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2022 #25
good one Evolve Dammit Oct 2022 #29
Trump is like a 3 year old who's figured out that if he pulls his wiener out Hugh_Lebowski Oct 2022 #6
Yep. That pretty much sums it up. calimary Oct 2022 #18
He's just lying like he always has. Martin Eden Oct 2022 #7
I think the term "fucking losing it" has a different meaning for you than it does for Him Whose Name Jack the Greater Oct 2022 #9
I hate his dumb stories and his dumb voice and his endless bullshit!!! LymphocyteLover Oct 2022 #10
Trump isn't smart enough to find any information on his own. Who feeds this crap to him? Lonestarblue Oct 2022 #11
How many of these other presidents' documents contained top secret nuclear weapons info? sop Oct 2022 #12
This fetid bucket of crazy is now established reality in Trumpworld. mn9driver Oct 2022 #13
cannot lose what you never had Skittles Oct 2022 #14
The one thing I want Chump to lose is his freedom. Hassler Oct 2022 #16
What is and isn't true doesn't matter ... Straw Man Oct 2022 #17
The Donald J Trump Presidential Library, Strip Club, Car Lube, and Time Share. ZonkerHarris Oct 2022 #19
I can see it now! NJCher Oct 2022 #26
don't forget the Garden Center and the Sex Toy Shop nt yellowdogintexas Oct 2022 #31
Here's where the bowling alley & chinese restaurant part comes in NullTuples Oct 2022 #20
We're about an hour past "losing it" marmar Oct 2022 #21
Trump spoke tecelote Oct 2022 #22
If he does NJCher Oct 2022 #27
His own fools no longer believe him. The Jungle 1 Oct 2022 #28
Jeb lashes out...sort of? Finish your broccoli Jeb... Evolve Dammit Oct 2022 #30
I read some of the replies to Jebby's "smackdown " and folks Boomerproud Oct 2022 #35
Worst former President ever. BlueIdaho Oct 2022 #32
Will TFG really have a Pres. library or will he spend all the money on lawyers, KFC, and McDonalds? Pepsidog Oct 2022 #33
F-ing loser is never at a loss of a good tale. G2theD Oct 2022 #34

jcgoldie

(11,639 posts)
15. Trump has done more for the Bush family than they ever could have
Tue Oct 11, 2022, 06:29 PM
Oct 2022

They all look like noble aristocrats by contrast... hard to imagine W ever being so endearing its amazing what a really good villain can do to some sketchy folks reputations.

cyclonefence

(4,483 posts)
3. A kernel of truth
Tue Oct 11, 2022, 01:58 PM
Oct 2022

at the heart of a pile of horseshit.

I looked up Trump's accusations. None of them, of course, involved intentional removal of classified documents. Bush's records were indeed "stored in a bowling alley"--a bowling alley that had been converted to a secure storage facility and was routinely used to store sensitive materials.

The "documents" in Bill Clinton's sock drawer were personal audiotapes Clinton made during his presidency, for his own use. The Washington Times, rw "journalism" personified, sued to have them returned; the judge found that the tapes were indeed personal and the property of Clinton.

Jimmy Carter left a small card, called the "biscuit," in a suit pocket which did indeed go to the dry cleaner. This was not "the nuclear codes;" the "biscuit" is a cheat sheet condensing the steps the president has to take to use the nuclear codes.

Funny that Trump didn't mention that Ronald Reagan's biscuit ended up in a plastic bag in the hospital when he was shot.



chriscan64

(1,789 posts)
5. Trump is not even pretending that all these documents are headed to his "library".
Tue Oct 11, 2022, 02:24 PM
Oct 2022

I anticipate a "museum of memes".

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
6. Trump is like a 3 year old who's figured out that if he pulls his wiener out
Tue Oct 11, 2022, 02:31 PM
Oct 2022

people pay all sorts of attention to him.

So he does it, again and again.

Except in his case, it's just 'flat-out lying and gaslighting at EVERY opportunity'.

He's found that has a very similar effect to the 3 year old's actions.

He does it because, mentally ... he is a fucking 3 year old.

Martin Eden

(12,875 posts)
7. He's just lying like he always has.
Tue Oct 11, 2022, 03:15 PM
Oct 2022

Doesn't matter what the facts are or what he actually believes.

The false claims and rhetoric are intended to form the narrative echoed by rightwing media that feeds his base and, to the extent possible, gaslight others who are insufficiently informed.

Jack the Greater

(601 posts)
9. I think the term "fucking losing it" has a different meaning for you than it does for Him Whose Name
Tue Oct 11, 2022, 03:52 PM
Oct 2022

Shall Not Be Written, or HWNSNBW, as I like to refer to him. It works in both the objective and subjective form. For HWNSNBW and his devoted fans, "fucking losing it" means "winning".

mn9driver

(4,428 posts)
13. This fetid bucket of crazy is now established reality in Trumpworld.
Tue Oct 11, 2022, 04:19 PM
Oct 2022

Somebody had better indict him soon. There is no telling what the next spew will yield.

Straw Man

(6,625 posts)
17. What is and isn't true doesn't matter ...
Tue Oct 11, 2022, 07:08 PM
Oct 2022

... in the slightest in Trumpworld. All that matters is what the rubes want to believe.

NJCher

(35,716 posts)
26. I can see it now!
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 08:18 AM
Oct 2022

It will be in huge gold letters, and “trump” will be larger than all the other letters. There will be a border of flashing lights.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
20. Here's where the bowling alley & chinese restaurant part comes in
Tue Oct 11, 2022, 08:30 PM
Oct 2022

Please note that the materials were being categorized and organized by staff from the National Archives.

The stuff of George Bush’s life--an old infielder’s mitt, the door of a Kuwaiti palace, even a huge likeness of Bush’s head from a Republican convention--is being sorted in an old bowling alley. Of course, there’s not enough room in the old Chimney Hill Bowl for 36 million pages of documents, a million photos and 40,000 objects. So some of it is crammed next door, in what used to be the kitchen of a Chinese restaurant. Someday, this will be the treasure of the George Bush Presidential Library and Museum at Texas A&M; University. But for now, it’s just pile upon pile of Bush fodder for the archivists.

“Our job is to preserve, arrange and review and ultimately try to make as much available as we can to the American people,’ said David Alsobrook, acting director of the Bush Presidential Materials Project.

The actual library and museum--an $83-million project--is about 90% complete on an engineer’s drawing board. Groundbreaking is planned for November with dedication in 1997. That means Alsobrook and his staff of 10 researchers from the National Archives have three years to catalogue and organize items that filled four C-5A cargo planes in the days just before Bush vacated the White House in 1993.


https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1994-06-26-mn-8638-story.html



 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
28. His own fools no longer believe him.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 08:55 AM
Oct 2022

That folks is a huge problem. So his lies need to get better and more frequent.
I can't wait until he gets a cavity search. That guard better has a security detail.

Boomerproud

(7,964 posts)
35. I read some of the replies to Jebby's "smackdown " and folks
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 02:19 PM
Oct 2022

were not impressed. Most tweets said ,"if I defended my dad as weakly...:. Pretty funny stuff.

G2theD

(593 posts)
34. F-ing loser is never at a loss of a good tale.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 12:58 PM
Oct 2022

The most shocking thing is his lemming followers take it as gospel - no questions asked!

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