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demmiblue

(36,878 posts)
Tue Oct 11, 2022, 02:49 PM Oct 2022

This is not a decision the Supreme Court made in 1840. This was a decision the SC made TODAY.

An all-white jury convicts a Black man of killing his white wife. Three jurors oppose interracial marriage because people should “stay with their Blood Line.” His lawyers don’t object. Jury sentences him to death. No problem, says the Supreme Court.




The prosecutor asked members of the all-white jury if they were willing to “take the risk” that a Black defendant, if found not guilty, would “ask your daughter out, or your granddaughter out.” Again, his lawyers did not object. Again, totally fine, says the Supreme Court.





Here’s the closer to the dissent from Sotomayor, joined by Kagan and Jackson. The death penalty is a stain and the American legal system should be plunged into the depths of the sea.







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This is not a decision the Supreme Court made in 1840. This was a decision the SC made TODAY. (Original Post) demmiblue Oct 2022 OP
Wow this is bizarre. You nailed it with the 1840 reference. chowder66 Oct 2022 #1
I think his lawyer screwed up. Why on earth would they not say anything? jimfields33 Oct 2022 #4
Makes one wonder if that lawyer agree with those jurors views. chowder66 Oct 2022 #12
Not the lawyer's job to judge Marthe48 Oct 2022 #18
It's the job of the lawyer to pick a decent jury. jimfields33 Oct 2022 #23
I agree Marthe48 Oct 2022 #24
That is the only issue the Supreme Court was reviewing - Ms. Toad Oct 2022 #31
Supreme Court rejects Black death row inmate's racial bias appeal demmiblue Oct 2022 #2
Friggin hell (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Oct 2022 #3
Roberts and Alito, Old Crank Oct 2022 #5
They don't wonder, not really. dchill Oct 2022 #9
They chose not to hear this case?? EndlessWire Oct 2022 #6
Wow, 1840 indeed! Spazito Oct 2022 #7
It's all okay, we just have to be patient and wait for something something something. onecaliberal Oct 2022 #8
Perhaps Godot. dchill Oct 2022 #13
If you have any better ideas of what to do, we'd love to hear them LymphocyteLover Oct 2022 #16
Arrest the criminal for his 4,000 crimes he has committed every element of in public. onecaliberal Oct 2022 #19
how will that help the problems with SCOTUS? LymphocyteLover Oct 2022 #27
OMFG!!! Pas-de-Calais Oct 2022 #10
This SC will be the total undoing of real democracy. KPN Oct 2022 #11
absolutely-- this court is an unholy illegitimate outrage dominated by a death cult majority LymphocyteLover Oct 2022 #15
ABORT This SC! DemocraticPatriot Oct 2022 #28
Unbelievably disgusting all the way around... FUCK! LymphocyteLover Oct 2022 #14
The Subversive 6 have rendered the Extreme Court a threat to the nation. Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2022 #17
His Lawyers Were Morons ProfessorGAC Oct 2022 #20
Is there anything like a....... jaxexpat Oct 2022 #21
Where Was The Trial Judge While This Was Going On? DallasNE Oct 2022 #22
In Michigan, this case wouldn't exist. roamer65 Oct 2022 #25
Same in the civilized portions of the country. paleotn Oct 2022 #26
Utterly illegitimate dickthegrouch Oct 2022 #29
Clarence is a POS 💩 live love laugh Oct 2022 #30
Keep in mind that this is an ineffective assistance of counsel claim. Ms. Toad Oct 2022 #32
Now a warning about the Supreme Court?? Nixie Oct 2022 #33

jimfields33

(15,940 posts)
4. I think his lawyer screwed up. Why on earth would they not say anything?
Tue Oct 11, 2022, 03:29 PM
Oct 2022

Had a chance to keep them off the jury and the lawyer didn’t.

Marthe48

(17,015 posts)
18. Not the lawyer's job to judge
Tue Oct 11, 2022, 04:35 PM
Oct 2022

just offer the best defense for their client. Or so I've heard, especially when we see horrible crimes committed, and the accused, who seems totally guilty, gets off on a technicality. It is frustrating, and the law is an ass.

Marthe48

(17,015 posts)
24. I agree
Tue Oct 11, 2022, 05:23 PM
Oct 2022

Whoever brought this appeal might have pointed out that the accused didn't have competent or adequate counsel. That might have worked in a lower court, and got him a retrial. His original lawyers dropped the ball.

I wonder what their views are on interracial marriage? Wonder if another Thomas couple is sweating this?


Ms. Toad

(34,086 posts)
31. That is the only issue the Supreme Court was reviewing -
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 12:14 AM
Oct 2022

Whether the attorney's conduct fell was unreasonable enough to rise to the level of constitutionally ineffective assistance of counsel.

Given that courts have failed to find that counsel who slept through death penalty trials was ineffective, so long as they did not repeatedly sleep through substantial portions of the trial, this is not surprising - nor is it limited to recent courts.

Especially in death penalty cases, appellate courts and the Supreme Court are reluctant to find ineffective assistance of counsel.

demmiblue

(36,878 posts)
2. Supreme Court rejects Black death row inmate's racial bias appeal
Tue Oct 11, 2022, 03:22 PM
Oct 2022
Three liberal justices dissent from court's decision not to hear case, with Justice Sonia Sotomayor suggesting that verdict may have been "tainted"

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Tuesday turned away a Black death row inmate’s appeal that he did not receive a fair trial because several jurors had expressed opposition to interracial relationships, prompting Justice Sonia Sotomayor to suggest that the conviction may have been tainted.

The conservative majority court’s decision not to hear the case, over the dissent of Sotomayor and the two other liberal justices, leaves in place Andre Thomas’s conviction and death sentence for murdering his step-daughter in a gruesome attack her, his estranged wife, who was white, and their son.

"No jury deciding whether to recommend a death sentence should be tainted by potential racial biases that could infect its deliberation or decision, particularly where the case involved an interracial crime," Sotomayor wrote. She was joined in the dissent by Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson. The court has a 6-3 conservative majority.

It is the role of courts "to safeguard the fairness of criminal trials by ensuring that jurors do not harbor, or at the very least should put aside, racially biased sentiments," Sotomayor added.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-rejects-challenge-death-sentence-racially-prejudiced-jur-rcna51058

EndlessWire

(6,562 posts)
6. They chose not to hear this case??
Tue Oct 11, 2022, 03:52 PM
Oct 2022

I dunno, the SC is effed. Let's see if they choose to hear Donald's case.

This guy may well have killed all those people. That's not the point. The point is to make sure that any death sentence is beyond reproach, if that's possible.

This is why we should abolish the death sentence.

onecaliberal

(32,888 posts)
19. Arrest the criminal for his 4,000 crimes he has committed every element of in public.
Tue Oct 11, 2022, 04:57 PM
Oct 2022

let's start there. Ask reality winner all about what to do.

KPN

(15,649 posts)
11. This SC will be the total undoing of real democracy.
Tue Oct 11, 2022, 04:09 PM
Oct 2022

Add “undo this SC” to the list of absolute highest priorities for the Democratic Party going forward. Unfortunately, it’s a very long list. One that built up over decades of “collaboration” and “compromise” with what ultimately was and is now clearly the enemy of democracy, equal rights and fairness.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,409 posts)
17. The Subversive 6 have rendered the Extreme Court a threat to the nation.
Tue Oct 11, 2022, 04:24 PM
Oct 2022

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Republicans revoke your rights
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ProfessorGAC

(65,159 posts)
20. His Lawyers Were Morons
Tue Oct 11, 2022, 05:04 PM
Oct 2022

How could they let that slide? How could the judge allow an answer showing clear bias as anything other than a disqualifier?
And, that leaving aside how SCOTUS could think this was ok.

jaxexpat

(6,846 posts)
21. Is there anything like a.......
Tue Oct 11, 2022, 05:11 PM
Oct 2022

"Double Asteroid Redirection Test (DART)" for changing the misdirection of the USSC? Or does the majority of this august body ascertain "DART" stands for "die and rot, Thomas"?

Just asking, would a little asteroid "nudger" be wasted on the "conservative" majority USSC? They'd, perhaps, see it as an exceptional shift in jurisprudence, a great knocking on proudly locked doors, though it be but a small shift, their fear, swept into the abyss of cruel ignorance from whence it slunk.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
22. Where Was The Trial Judge While This Was Going On?
Tue Oct 11, 2022, 05:14 PM
Oct 2022

It seems to me that he should have called the defence attorney into chamber to grill him his lack of objection to this potential humorist. Indeed, how was this/these individuals even allowed in the jury pool. Indeed, this case displays the corruption in the judiciary that has caused the Court to lose the respect that Alito blew his top over. This decision will just make those cries all the louder and deservedly so.

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
25. In Michigan, this case wouldn't exist.
Tue Oct 11, 2022, 05:26 PM
Oct 2022

We abolished the death penalty in 1847.

Yet again, another reason why Michigan doesn’t belong in a republic with Texas.

We have more in common with Ontario than Texas.

Ms. Toad

(34,086 posts)
32. Keep in mind that this is an ineffective assistance of counsel claim.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 12:22 AM
Oct 2022

The court was not asked to consider race bias - except in the limited context of whether the failure to question and/or object to jurors was so irresponsible as to deprive the inmate of his constitutional right to counsel.

This is not a new issue in death penalty cases - appellate courts are extremely reluctant to find/review ineffective assistance of counsel claims. Numerous Circuit Court decisions have held that an attorney does not render ineffective assistance of counsel when they sleep through trial - unless they sleep repeatedly through a substantial portion of the trial - AND - the portions slept through were so critical that the attorney's failure to be awake during those portions harmed his client.

That doesn't make it any less horrendous - BUT - this is not new or unique to this court.

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