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Celerity

(43,485 posts)
Tue Oct 11, 2022, 11:41 PM Oct 2022

BQ.1.1 subvariant: This Deadly COVID Twist Is Like Nothing We've Seen Before

The new BQ.1.1 subvariant is spreading fast across Europe—and we’re not prepared for just how dangerous it could be.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/deadly-twist-in-covid-variant-takes-the-world-by-surprise



As the wave of COVID infections from the highly-contagious BA.5 subvariant finally subsided in late July, new subvariants were already competing for dominance—and the opportunity to drive the next wave of infections. A little over two months later, epidemiologists are close to naming a winner. In the United Kingdom, infections from a highly mutated subvariant called BQ.1.1 are doubling every week—a rate of growth that far exceeds other leading subvariants. In the U.S., BQ.1.1 is spreading twice as fast as its cousin subvariant BA.2.75.2.



That means BQ.1.1 is very contagious. But that’s not the subvariant’s most alarming quality. What’s most worrying is that it also evades certain antibodies. In fact, BQ.1.1 seems to be the first form of COVID against which antibody therapies—evusheld and bebtelovimab, for instance—don’t work at all. Luckily, the best vaccines still work against BQ.1.1—especially the latest “bivalent” messenger-RNA boosters. Uptake of the new booster has been shockingly sluggish, however, meaning the new shots aren’t yet offering much protection on a population level.

We have the tools to defeat COVID. But “the reality is nobody is using the tools,” James Lawler, an infectious disease expert at the University of Nebraska Medical Center, told The Daily Beast. Highly contagious and immune-evasive, BQ.1.1 is poised to take advantage of an increasingly vulnerable global population as antibodies from vaccinations and past infection gradually wear off in the coming months. The question isn’t whether a fresh wave of infections is coming. It’s exactly when.

“We are stepping into a very fluid phase of the pandemic right now,” Edwin Michael, an epidemiologist at the Center for Global Health Infectious Disease Research at the University of South Florida, told The Daily Beast. Michael has built sophisticated computer models for simulating the COVID pandemic. BQ.1.1 wasn’t the inevitable winner of the viral competition that raged, mostly unseen, in the months following the peak of the BA.5 wave. There were other highly contagious and somewhat evasive subvariants, including BA.2.75.2 and BA.4.6.1.

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BQ.1.1 subvariant: This Deadly COVID Twist Is Like Nothing We've Seen Before (Original Post) Celerity Oct 2022 OP
JHC do want I can to keep it from spreading. OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2022 #1
tens of millions like this asshole will make sure wave after wave smashes the US and elsewhere Celerity Oct 2022 #2
What a disgusting plague spreader! I have so little faith in humanity anymore. liberal_mama Oct 2022 #27
Oh, great. tanyev Oct 2022 #3
so which one corresponds to the booster I just had? Grasswire2 Oct 2022 #4
if you had the bivalent booster, then the BA.4 and BA.5 Omicron subvariants, not this new one Celerity Oct 2022 #5
"the best vaccines still work against BQ.1.1--especially the latest "bivalent" messenger-RNA booster" PSPS Oct 2022 #7
The article says the bivalent booster is effective against this new strain. SunSeeker Oct 2022 #8
I don't understand the word, "Just" I had a booster about 1 month ago. Am I covered? Maraya1969 Oct 2022 #13
How many shots have you had in total? LuckyCharms Oct 2022 #15
I've had 4 shots total and the first 2 were Maderna. I think they said the last one was Pfizer. Maraya1969 Oct 2022 #19
See my post #18. LuckyCharms Oct 2022 #21
Look at your vaccine card and count the number of shots that you have had. LuckyCharms Oct 2022 #18
It does say "bivalent" That is a relief. Thanks. Maraya1969 Oct 2022 #20
You're welcome. n/t LuckyCharms Oct 2022 #22
If you got it after Labor Day, you got the bivalent booster and are covered. SunSeeker Oct 2022 #32
Europe new cases up 76% in the last 32 days (7 day moving average) progree Oct 2022 #6
No Paywall here. I think they shouldn't have a paywall on this information at all but.... Maraya1969 Oct 2022 #14
I'm shocked that you found it paywalled!!!! I've never registered, never paid a dime progree Oct 2022 #24
Actually when I clicked your link I realized that they just wanted me to log in for the free account Maraya1969 Oct 2022 #30
That's good to hear. I'm surprised you have to log in, I hope you don't have to do that progree Oct 2022 #31
We've gone to sleep over this before and look what happened then!!!!!!!!!! Ford_Prefect Oct 2022 #9
One of the Delphinus Oct 2022 #16
R's more affected than Dems Marthe48 Oct 2022 #23
Thank Republican-minded people world wide for continuing mutations. Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2022 #10
K&R for the day crew. KY_EnviroGuy Oct 2022 #11
Kick USALiberal Oct 2022 #12
TLDR - get the bivalent booster Sympthsical Oct 2022 #17
Scary stuff. BlackSkimmer Oct 2022 #25
It's Mutating Deep State Witch Oct 2022 #26
There is a nasty variant going around.This tweet is very concerning. Please mask & take precautions. liberal_mama Oct 2022 #28
"We have the tools to defeat COVID. But 'the reality is nobody is using the tools.' " Beartracks Oct 2022 #29
My cousin who came back from Italy two weeks ago Raftergirl Oct 2022 #33

liberal_mama

(1,495 posts)
27. What a disgusting plague spreader! I have so little faith in humanity anymore.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 01:03 PM
Oct 2022

These people who don't wear proper masks will just keep killing more and more people. They have no empathy or compassion for those who are high risk. And this asshole looks pretty high risk to me. Maybe he will have a nasty surprise again.

PSPS

(13,613 posts)
7. "the best vaccines still work against BQ.1.1--especially the latest "bivalent" messenger-RNA booster"
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 01:23 AM
Oct 2022

If your latest was the latest bivalent, you're protected. I'm getting mine next week, but will continue to wear a mask and avoid places that are still in denial and pretending it's over (i.e., groups of unmasked people.) I've managed to avoid infection so far. A vaccine that merely keeps you from dying or going to the hospital isn't good enough, since getting infected will inflict long covid and ruin the rest of your life.

SunSeeker

(51,662 posts)
8. The article says the bivalent booster is effective against this new strain.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 01:24 AM
Oct 2022

From the article excerpt in the OP:

Luckily, the best vaccines still work against BQ.1.1—especially the latest “bivalent” messenger-RNA boosters. 


If you just had a booster, that means you had the bivalent booster. That's the only booster you can get in the US right now.

LuckyCharms

(17,455 posts)
21. See my post #18.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 08:57 AM
Oct 2022

It's kind of difficult to tell from here if your last shot was the regular 2nd booster or the bivalent booster, because of the timing.

See if it is notated on your card as "bivalent".

Best thing to do would be to call the pharmacy or the health department. They can tell by the lot numbers.

I'm pretty sure that if you got your last shot after the bivalents were released to the public, then they just skip the regular second booster and give you the bivalent instead.

LuckyCharms

(17,455 posts)
18. Look at your vaccine card and count the number of shots that you have had.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 08:42 AM
Oct 2022

I don't know how the Johnson and Johnson shot works as far as boosters, because the initial dose for that brand I believe is only one shot. However, if your initial dose was Pfizer or Moderna, the initial dose for those, before any boosters, was 2 shots.

So, assuming that your initial dose was Pfizer or Moderna, the sequence would go like this:

Shot 1: First initial dose
Shot 2: Second initial dose
Shot 3: First booster
Shot 4: Second booster
Shot 5: Bivalent booster

Therefore, if you have received a total of 5 shots, then your last booster was the bivalent booster.

If you have received a total of 4 shots, then your last booster would be either the second regular booster, or the bivalent booster, because the timing of your last shot seems to be close to when the bivalent booster became available.

Also, if you received 2 regular boosters, there is a waiting period before you can get the bivalent booster.

See if the last booster on your card says "bivalent".

If there is still some confusion, call the pharmacy or your health department to determine if your last shot was a regular booster, or the bivalent.

SunSeeker

(51,662 posts)
32. If you got it after Labor Day, you got the bivalent booster and are covered.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 04:32 PM
Oct 2022
The CDC signed off on updated versions of Pfizer’s and Moderna’s booster shots on Sept. 1, and pharmacies and other vaccination sites began administering the new shots around Labor Day weekend.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/updated-covid-booster-shots-doses-administered-cdc-rcna48960

progree

(10,912 posts)
6. Europe new cases up 76% in the last 32 days (7 day moving average)
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 01:09 AM
Oct 2022

but down over the past day (again a 7 day moving average). I sometimes see one-or-two-day downhooks that disappear later - sometimes depends on time of day one looks at it and some countries not reporting yet.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-cases.html

Scroll to "Cases By Region". Europe is the light blue line.

Some European countries like Germany and Italy and Spain also have that one day downhook.

progree

(10,912 posts)
24. I'm shocked that you found it paywalled!!!! I've never registered, never paid a dime
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 10:12 AM
Oct 2022

accessed it on 2 different browsers..

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-cases.html

I've posted this innumerable times over the course of the pandemic, almost every time with "no paywall, no quota" and nobody has ever said anything about encountering a paywall before. Darn. Thanks for the archive.ph link

Edited to add: Well, darn, that archive.ph link is a snapshot taken in February! And it's a static page - one can't click on any of the buttons, e.g. Last 90 days. Or expand the table. Or sort by the headings. Or hover over the map to see a country's statistics pop up.

I found one that is 5 days old (with the same static flaws),

I just archived Oct 12: https://archive.ph/RXr1K


Maraya1969

(22,494 posts)
30. Actually when I clicked your link I realized that they just wanted me to log in for the free account
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 02:02 PM
Oct 2022

So it is actually free. I just didn't look close enough

progree

(10,912 posts)
31. That's good to hear. I'm surprised you have to log in, I hope you don't have to do that
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 02:57 PM
Oct 2022

every time!

It's possible I registered way back when 2+ years ago, and have never had to log in, or maybe once way back then.

Ford_Prefect

(7,918 posts)
9. We've gone to sleep over this before and look what happened then!!!!!!!!!!
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 02:26 AM
Oct 2022

The "It's a hoax" crowd will howl loudly over this blaming Biden and The Liberal Agenda. Faux Spews will also rise to the occasion with spurious cure citations and alarmist anti-vax propaganda. GOP candidates and MSM pundits will get the details of the spread and the facts about the variant and correct vaccine wrong.

Abbott and DeSantis will both assert that thousands of illegals forcing their way across our un-guarded borders are rife with infection, and will initiate neo-fascist measures to round them up. GOP anti-democratic legislators will initiate new restrictive measures to protect the vote from anyone who looks lefty to them under the rubric that this new phase is jut the same old Commie agitprop.

Marthe48

(17,015 posts)
23. R's more affected than Dems
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 09:07 AM
Oct 2022

by not taking it seriously. None of us should shrug it off, but Dems are more serious about getting the vaccine and boosters.

I read another post and saw on MSNBC that in comparisons in Fl. and Oh, up until the vaccines were avaliable, the deaths along party lines was about the same. After vaccination, deaths among Dems went down and deaths among r's went up. On top of everything else, r's must have a herd mentality death wish :/

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,494 posts)
11. K&R for the day crew.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 04:02 AM
Oct 2022

Thanks for posting this important info, Celerity!......

Out of spite, Republicans will be scheduling extended winter vacations to Europe and bring duty-free BQ.1.1 back home on return......

Sympthsical

(9,097 posts)
17. TLDR - get the bivalent booster
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 08:40 AM
Oct 2022

We're going to see some variation of this story every year for a while.

As people are outside more in the summer months, precautions drop, and people grow comfortable, COVID will spread around - particularly among the more socially active younger cohorts. Then it will grow colder, people will head indoors after having grown comfortable with fewer restrictions, and it'll start doing its thing.

This is going to go on as every winter approaches. One other aspect that is kind of mentioned is that natural immunity also wanes over time. Omicron blew through last December/January, and many of the people who contracted it will see that natural immunity falling off within a 12-16 month span. Most research suggests natural immunity will be annually cyclical in this way.

I wish the article was somewhat less breathless about it, however. We're going to have some variation of this every winter, like a flu on steroids. A yearly reminder to go into the colder season with a booster and best judgement precautions will be in order.

But writing it like Internet clickbait isn't useful. "COVID WILL KILL YOU WITH THIS ONE WEIRD TRICK!" Thanks, guys.

The article itself then spends half its time undercutting the drama of the headline. Boosters work, the spike protein mutations aren't crazy concerning in any scientifically alarming way. A lot of it is just stating what's become obvious.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
25. Scary stuff.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 10:26 AM
Oct 2022

I've noticed quite a few threads from DUers who either have it or someone close to them does.

Been a while since I've seen those threads but they seem to be increasing.

Raftergirl

(1,292 posts)
33. My cousin who came back from Italy two weeks ago
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 08:00 PM
Oct 2022

and infected her kids, their spouses and two of her young grandchildren, likely had this variant. She did not test before going to see them, even though she had a “tickle” in her throat. Nor did she wear a mask. She was with her 10 month old grandchild for 6 hours that day.

She also did not get the bivalent booster before she went.

They were all extremely sick but she got it worse than anyone else. She finally tested negative yesterday, after 12 days. But, she is still completely exhausted and cannot go back to work yet.

I have no idea if she got Plaxovid, but her sister didn’t think she did.

I’m also 100% sure she never masked on her trip. I love my cousin but she is one of the most self centered person I know.

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