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Botany

(70,567 posts)
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 09:24 AM Oct 2022

ATTN anti vaccine assholes do you know why we don't see "lock jaw" anymore? Because of a vaccine ..

.... called a TETANUS SHOT. The bacteria which causes lock jaw is all over the places in our soils and in the
guts of some farm animals too.


Man suffering from spasms of lock jaw after getting the bacteria, Clostridium tetani into his system.

From Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetanus

Tetanus, also known as lockjaw, is a bacterial infection caused by Clostridium tetani, and is characterized by muscle spasms. In the most common type, the spasms begin in the jaw and then progress to the rest of the body. Each spasm usually lasts a few minutes. Spasms occur frequently for three to four weeks.[1] Some spasms may be severe enough to fracture bones.[2] Other symptoms of tetanus may include fever, sweating, headache, trouble swallowing, high blood pressure, and a fast heart rate. Onset of symptoms is typically three to twenty-one days following infection. Recovery may take months. About ten percent of cases prove to be fatal.[1]

C. tetani is commonly found in soil, saliva, dust, and manure. The bacteria generally enter through a break in the skin such as a cut or puncture wound by a contaminated object.[1][3] They produce toxins that interfere with normal muscle contractions.[4] Diagnosis is based on the presenting signs and symptoms. The disease does not spread between people.[1]

Tetanus can be prevented by immunization with the tetanus vaccine. In those who have a significant wound and have had fewer than three doses of the vaccine, both vaccination and tetanus immune globulin are recommended. The wound should be cleaned and any dead tissue should be removed. In those who are infected, tetanus immune globulin or, if unavailable, intravenous immunoglobulin (IVIG) is used.[1] Muscle relaxants may be used to control spasms. Mechanical ventilation may be required if a person's breathing is affected.[4]

Tetanus occurs in all parts of the world but is most frequent in hot and wet climates where the soil has a high organic content.[1] In 2015 there were about 209,000 infections and about 59,000 deaths globally.[5][6] This is down from 356,000 deaths in 1990.[7] In the US there are about 30 cases per year, almost all of which have not been vaccinated.[8] An early description of the disease was made by Hippocrates in the 5th century BC. The cause of the disease was determined in 1884 by Antonio Carle and Giorgio Rattone at the University of Turin, and a vaccine was developed in 1924.

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BTW I just thought of this because I was reading the late David McCullough's, "The Great Bridge" and John Roebling
who started the Brooklyn Bridge died from lock jaw because he refused more modern medicine and kept his injured
foot in buckets of cold water and died a horrible death. DeSantis, Abbott, Fox News, and so on are spreading mis-
information about the side effects of the new C-19 Vaccine and that will sicken and or kill people.

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ATTN anti vaccine assholes do you know why we don't see "lock jaw" anymore? Because of a vaccine .. (Original Post) Botany Oct 2022 OP
Slightly off-topic EYESORE 9001 Oct 2022 #1
For some odd reason the chiropractors of America are anti-vax of any kind FakeNoose Oct 2022 #16
Chiropracting can be dangerous if they burst a blood vessel in your neck IronLionZion Oct 2022 #20
The level of Idiocracy in the US is stunning. And so many are willingly RKP5637 Oct 2022 #2
"The level of Idiocracy in the US is stunning." Botany Oct 2022 #13
Many in the US, really, have some serious mental issues. The country needs RKP5637 Oct 2022 #22
Some of those people have had their brains so overtaken by cancerous disinformation and are ... Botany Oct 2022 #28
Yes! Well Said, Botany! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2022 #37
I bet you didn't know that in 2012 after President Obama won re-election he was going to .... Botany Oct 2022 #39
I've had some friends fall into the crevice of RW craziness. It's really bizarre, RKP5637 Oct 2022 #40
My friend fell for the Heterodox Academy and its right wing bull shit all the time pretending ... Botany Oct 2022 #41
IDIOCRACY Opening Scene (2006) Mike Judge IronLionZion Oct 2022 #21
Yep, fantasy becoming reality. n/t RKP5637 Oct 2022 #25
Or smallpox, the only disease believed to have been eradicated - Ocelot II Oct 2022 #3
My former company gab13by13 Oct 2022 #4
Same Here ProfessorGAC Oct 2022 #14
I tell the anti vaccinated crowd look up Covid Penis. Emile Oct 2022 #5
I doubt there are many "anti vaccine assholes" on DU to read this Effete Snob Oct 2022 #6
Does it "prevent" or like other vaccines does it train your body to fight it efficiently. plimsoll Oct 2022 #23
You don't need to explain it to me Effete Snob Oct 2022 #34
And yet that is their argument? plimsoll Oct 2022 #36
Given all posts are public on the internet, it's hard to say who might RKP5637 Oct 2022 #38
I think there will be a lethal variant (or new virus) at some point LonePirate Oct 2022 #7
Indeed. We were fortunate Covid wasn't far more lethal paleotn Oct 2022 #11
hasn't happened yet. plimsoll Oct 2022 #24
Ya think inthewind21 Oct 2022 #26
there are a number of folks who i would like to see get lock jaw dembotoz Oct 2022 #8
I remember being scared of lockjaw as a child...1000 years ago. Ferrets are Cool Oct 2022 #9
I'm still terrified of rabies. It's endemic in my area but they won't allow you to LiberalLoner Oct 2022 #12
Forget Lock Jaw, Small Pox was the greatest killer of people grantcart Oct 2022 #10
Yup Leeuwenhoek and the microscope along with microbiology and Joesph Lister were huge. Botany Oct 2022 #15
Thanks, wasn't aware of Leeuwenhoek grantcart Oct 2022 #17
Leeuwenhoek and his wee beasties. Botany Oct 2022 #19
I read about him as a child -- Mom's library of suitable books for children was pretty adult... Hekate Oct 2022 #44
History of Vaxs packman Oct 2022 #18
Thank you! Good list and one of those diseases caused Hellen Keller to lose her sight and hearing. Botany Oct 2022 #27
SEX!! evolves Oct 2022 #42
I knew it had something to do with girls growing up and having sex. Botany Oct 2022 #43
Boys, too, since they're the ones who transmit it Hekate Oct 2022 #45
Boys, too. evolves Oct 2022 #46
But my friend was wearing a seatbelt and died while I was thrown from the vehicle and survived. Iggo Oct 2022 #29
Got Your Tetanus Shot? You May Not Need Another For 30 More Years womanofthehills Oct 2022 #30
World Health Organization Tetanus Reported cases in US - womanofthehills Oct 2022 #31
Anybody who listens to and believes a liar Marthe48 Oct 2022 #32
DeSantis, Abbott, other republican governors, and Fox News are right now actively trying to ... Botany Oct 2022 #33
I didn't know or didn't remember Marthe48 Oct 2022 #35
Aztecs were not wiped out by Spanish guns, they were wiped out by disease from Spaniards. Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2022 #47
The real # of deaths from C-19 world wide is something like 14 million with a large part of that # Botany Oct 2022 #48

EYESORE 9001

(25,965 posts)
1. Slightly off-topic
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 09:31 AM
Oct 2022

A chiropractor set up practice in the tiny town from which I hail. He cut his finger doing some home-improvement chore or other. Finger got infected, but he was adamant about turning down western medicine, including antibiotics. He eventually succumbed to sepsis - entirely preventable but the guy died at ~40 because of stubbornness.

FakeNoose

(32,722 posts)
16. For some odd reason the chiropractors of America are anti-vax of any kind
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 10:53 AM
Oct 2022

It's almost a religion with them, and it predates anything in the current MAGAt climate.

Chiropractic "teachings" go back to Middle Age folk remedies and that's why it's considered a pseudoscience by the medical professions. Because of their objection to vaccinations of any kind, as well as prescription medications, many modern chiropractors have sort of gravitated to the ultra-conservative political groups that have sprung up in the last 20 years or so. The point is that chiropractors aren't politically motivated, just lumped in with the crazies by default.

I have a personal friend who's a retired chiropractor, and he did finally get the Covid vaccination about a year later than the rest of us. So not all of them are completely anti-vax.

(llink) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic

IronLionZion

(45,514 posts)
20. Chiropracting can be dangerous if they burst a blood vessel in your neck
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 11:18 AM
Oct 2022

people have had strokes during chiropractic adjustments. Cracking backs can feel good but there are plenty of risks.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
2. The level of Idiocracy in the US is stunning. And so many are willingly
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 09:32 AM
Oct 2022

exploited for money and power.

Botany

(70,567 posts)
13. "The level of Idiocracy in the US is stunning."
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 10:30 AM
Oct 2022

Yup, America has some of the best medical schools, biological scientists, and doctors in the world
and yet people will listen to medical misinformation from their pastors, right wing talking heads,
and republican politicians because they like the way that misinformation makes them feel.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
22. Many in the US, really, have some serious mental issues. The country needs
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 11:22 AM
Oct 2022

massive deprogramming from the shit they listen to and believe.

Botany

(70,567 posts)
28. Some of those people have had their brains so overtaken by cancerous disinformation and are ...
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 11:56 AM
Oct 2022

.... of such an age that death alone will still their idiocy/racism, others might shift if economic reality
comes into their lives, and we need to pour some of the trillions we piss away in defense spending
into public education and a national broad band network.

Botany

(70,567 posts)
39. I bet you didn't know that in 2012 after President Obama won re-election he was going to ....
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 02:07 PM
Oct 2022

.... us the U.N. to bring in Hamas fighters from the middle east so he could take away "the people's
guns" and then get a third term?

Drive a pick up, with a big dog, hunt, fish, camp, be white in OH, and you get to hear it all.


I still love the man dearly but I have lost an old friend to right wing disinformation from the web.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
40. I've had some friends fall into the crevice of RW craziness. It's really bizarre,
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 02:41 PM
Oct 2022

like some type of brain infection.

Botany

(70,567 posts)
41. My friend fell for the Heterodox Academy and its right wing bull shit all the time pretending ...
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 02:57 PM
Oct 2022

... be working to support "all views." But in the end they push bull shit that 2 or 3 steps up the food chain
is funded by a Koch brother.

IronLionZion

(45,514 posts)
21. IDIOCRACY Opening Scene (2006) Mike Judge
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 11:20 AM
Oct 2022


Smart people use family planning while idiots breed like bunnies.

Ocelot II

(115,829 posts)
3. Or smallpox, the only disease believed to have been eradicated -
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 09:35 AM
Oct 2022

because people got vaccinated. Measles started to disappear, at least in the US, until the anti-vaxxers decided vaccines caused autism, which they do not. The anti-covid-vax movement is disproportionately killing GOPers, but it's also making it much harder to keep the virus from spreading.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
6. I doubt there are many "anti vaccine assholes" on DU to read this
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 09:40 AM
Oct 2022

But the typical anti vaccine asshole would point out that the tetanus vaccine does indeed prevent tetanus, unlike any of the Covid-19 vaccines which primarily lessen the severity of infection.

The fact that people still contract Covid-19 after vaccination is one of their main talking points, and they are happy to point out that the tetanus vaccine, polio vaccine, etc., are all much more effective in comparison.

But I never get the point of these threads addressing people who are unlikely to be in the audience.

plimsoll

(1,670 posts)
23. Does it "prevent" or like other vaccines does it train your body to fight it efficiently.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 11:25 AM
Oct 2022

Their beliefs are inaccurate. They prevent the diseases from spreading inside your body by teaching your body how to fight them off. Another reason the "I have an immune system" argument was so stupid, yes you do, and if it's never been exposed it won't know what to do.

One way to look at the deaths by viruses like covid is that your body over-reacts. The virus doesn't kill you, your bodies response to the virus kills you.

It's not magic.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
34. You don't need to explain it to me
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 12:41 PM
Oct 2022

But the comparison to other vaccines is not particularly convincing to them.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
38. Given all posts are public on the internet, it's hard to say who might
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 02:02 PM
Oct 2022

see these posts ... and learn.

LonePirate

(13,431 posts)
7. I think there will be a lethal variant (or new virus) at some point
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 09:42 AM
Oct 2022

Those anti-vaxxers will change their minds once their unvaccinated friends and family start dying en masse.

paleotn

(17,946 posts)
11. Indeed. We were fortunate Covid wasn't far more lethal
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 09:54 AM
Oct 2022

Imagine MERS as communicable as COVID. A cousin of COVID, MERS has an estimated lethality of 25%. Mileage may vary but that’s scary as hell. Thus much of the early 2020 freak out. It could have easily been vastly worse.

plimsoll

(1,670 posts)
24. hasn't happened yet.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 11:26 AM
Oct 2022

I don't think it will. This is too firmly entrenched in the culture wars fight.

LiberalLoner

(9,762 posts)
12. I'm still terrified of rabies. It's endemic in my area but they won't allow you to
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 10:04 AM
Oct 2022

Get the vaccine as a preventive measure, since there are so few cases, it’s not medically necessary. But I would feel better if I could get the vaccine because I have an irrational fear of contracting rabies that haunts me.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
10. Forget Lock Jaw, Small Pox was the greatest killer of people
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 09:54 AM
Oct 2022

With over 400 million deaths killed more than war.

A worldwide mandatory vaccine led by the CDC/WHO eliminated it 100%>

Part of the problem with public appreciation of vaccines is that they have been so successful that the public forgets the terrible diseases it has conquered.

When you list the greatest human achievements of all time it might look like this

1) Control of fire
2) Electricity
3) Scientific Method
4) Self Government
5) Print press
6) Currency
7) Vaccines

Lists might defer but vaccines have to be in the top 10.

Botany

(70,567 posts)
19. Leeuwenhoek and his wee beasties.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 11:18 AM
Oct 2022

Summary

Antonie van Leeuwenhoek was the first great microscopist. He began to experiment with spherical glass lenses. Van Leeuwenhoek made 419 lenses, of which 217 were incorporated into simple microscopes. Using this simple optical instrument, van Leeuwenhoek made drawings of what he saw that are truly spectacular. His first discovery was an array of protozoa swimming in pond water. He called these organisms his wee beasties. Van Leeuwenhoek's work came to the attention of Regnier de Graaf in 1668. De Graaf's introduction of van Leeuwenhoek to Henry Oldenburg led to the publication of all of van Leeuwenhoek's findings as letters in the Transactions of the Royal Society. In these letters, van Leeuwenhoek describes Spirogyra and the flagellated protozoa in pond water, erythrocytes, leukocytes, spermatozoa, urate crystals in gout, the life cycle of the flea, Giardia, venous and lymphatic capillaries, volvox, and vorticella, among many more things.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9781119205791.ch18

And later on he found bacteria, sperm cells, and red blood cells.

Hekate

(90,774 posts)
44. I read about him as a child -- Mom's library of suitable books for children was pretty adult...
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 03:09 PM
Oct 2022

Never could figure out how to pronounce his name, but I never forgot him. Thanks for recalling an old friend, as it were.




Botany

(70,567 posts)
27. Thank you! Good list and one of those diseases caused Hellen Keller to lose her sight and hearing.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 11:42 AM
Oct 2022

This happened when she was a little under 2 years old.


BTW Human papillomavirus vaccine is a good one too. But some of the right wing "christian"
anti vaxers are against this vaccine because of something something which I will not clutter my
already cluttered mind with.

Botany

(70,567 posts)
43. I knew it had something to do with girls growing up and having sex.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 03:05 PM
Oct 2022

Which is really none of my business.

evolves

(5,403 posts)
46. Boys, too.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 03:11 PM
Oct 2022

HPV is the number one cause of genital,anal, and oropharyngeal cancers in both genders

Iggo

(47,564 posts)
29. But my friend was wearing a seatbelt and died while I was thrown from the vehicle and survived.
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 12:08 PM
Oct 2022

Or something.

Also: NOT ALL WHITE PEOPLE!

There. I have successfully defended myself from your science.

Good day, Sir.

womanofthehills

(8,758 posts)
30. Got Your Tetanus Shot? You May Not Need Another For 30 More Years
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 12:10 PM
Oct 2022

The first thought most people likely have when they step on a dirty nail in rotting wood or slice open their hand on scrap metal is a string of colorful expletives as searing pain shoots through their wound. But the second thought—perhaps after stopping the bleeding—may very well be, “When did I get my last tetanus shot?”

The tetanus vaccine prevents the serious infection caused by tetanus bacteria that kills up to one in five people who develop it. Symptoms include muscle stiffness, seizures, fever, headache, stomach or muscle spasms, inability to swallow and a whole body of pain. That’s the bad news.

The good news is, if you had the full series of tetanus vaccine doses as a child or, for those over age 30, any booster in the past several decades, you likely have nothing to worry about. Instead of getting a tetanus booster every 10 years as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention currently recommends for adults, a new study suggests immunity from the vaccine lasts at least 30 years. That goes for protection against both tetanus and diphtheria, the other disease that the Td booster protects against.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2016/03/23/got-your-tetanus-shot-you-may-not-need-another-for-30-more-years/?sh=29e4aced6db3

Marthe48

(17,011 posts)
32. Anybody who listens to and believes a liar
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 12:32 PM
Oct 2022

about their personal health, no less, pretty much getting what they get.

The other day, my friend and I were talking about measles and polio. We were both born in the 1950s. I got chicken pox when I was 3 or 4, and I remember crying because I itched so bad. I got measles in 3rd grade, and I was so sick, I missed 3 weeks of school, and my parents kept me in a dark room to protect my eyes. One of the neighbor ladies was pregnant, and had to isolate to protect her fetus. Thank God that worked for her.

We had a relative who survived polio, and my family was extremely wary of contaminated water. When the oral polio vaccine came out, our parents had us lined up 3 weeks in a row for the SOS (Sabin Oral Sunday) doses given out at the local high school. And the lines were long, believe me!

I guess that people who lived through part of the time period that the vaccines for common disease weren't invented have a better idea of public health and disease prevention. I wish more people today would wake the hell up and get vaccinated.

Thank you for posting this.

Botany

(70,567 posts)
33. DeSantis, Abbott, other republican governors, and Fox News are right now actively trying to ...
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 12:39 PM
Oct 2022

... spread C-19 by passing along antidotal stories about bad reactions to the C-19 vaccine.

BTW did you know the 1st American leader who made people get vaccinated? G. Washington
for small pox.

Marthe48

(17,011 posts)
35. I didn't know or didn't remember
Wed Oct 12, 2022, 01:11 PM
Oct 2022

about Washington.

I remembered that a member of royalty had her children innoculated (variolation) against small pox after she learned about the practice in Turkey, and after 1720, it was a popular treatment in England. I had to look up Edward Jenner and refresh my memory about the lady who helped make innoculation popular. When I was younger, I was interested in the studies that led to medical breakthroughs and people like Jenner, Pasteur, Lister, and other remain heroes to me

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,400 posts)
47. Aztecs were not wiped out by Spanish guns, they were wiped out by disease from Spaniards.
Thu Oct 13, 2022, 07:17 AM
Oct 2022

The key to survival, therefore, is human sacrifice. The Great Cosmic Dog demands that we isolate all anti-vaxxers in Holy Enclaves so that they may give of themselves to increase the Woo.

Or just jab 'em when they're not looking.

Botany

(70,567 posts)
48. The real # of deaths from C-19 world wide is something like 14 million with a large part of that #
Thu Oct 13, 2022, 07:39 AM
Oct 2022

... is those that died from C-19 but were not diagnosed with the disease and God only knows how many
died from other diseases or injuries or conditions but were unable to get the care they need because the
hospitals and clinics were overwhelmed with covid patients. And yet just 2 days ago Fox News was spreading
misinformation about side effects from the new booster which is made to take on the newest variants of the
virus and those new variants are most likely the result of people not getting vaccinated and then they become
hosts of the virus where it can live and mutate and become a new strain.

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