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LONDON Climate protesters threw soup over Vincent van Goghs Sunflowers in Londons National Gallery on Friday to protest fossil fuel extraction.
The group Just Stop Oil, which wants the British government to halt new oil and gas projects, said activists dumped two cans of Heinz tomato soup over the oil painting, one of the Dutch artists most iconic works.
Londons Metropolitan Police said officers arrested two people on suspicion of criminal damage and aggravated trespass.
The group has drawn attention, and criticism, for targeting artworks in museums. In July, Just Stop Oil activists glued themselves to the frame of Leonardo da Vincis The Last Supper at Londons Royal Academy of Arts, and to John Constables The Hay Wain in the National Gallery.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/10/14/climate-protest-soup-van-gogh-sunflowers/10494863002/
spooky3
(34,456 posts)FBaggins
(26,744 posts)Did the artist use oil-based paints?
emulatorloo
(44,130 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)Did you just pick that phrase at random? Or do you really think being a climate protester is a symptom of mental health problems?
harumph
(1,900 posts)people who deface and destroy art - especially art of this magnitude - are mentally ill
and probably kinda dumb.
It brings disrepute on others who share their environmentalist position.
They need serious help.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)because this thread is full of people pointing out it was protected with glass.
You really do damage to mental healthcare by trying to use it as a accusation against people who do something you wouldn't do yourself. You bring disrepute on yourself.
emulatorloo
(44,130 posts)inthewind21
(4,616 posts)Is the standard go to of excuses.
Celerity
(43,402 posts)emulatorloo
(44,130 posts)I worked in mental health care too. If you think these actions are rational, I cant help you.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)Why you insist on trotting out fantasies before proclaiming yourself a mental health worker and passing an offensive judgement on those you've made shit up about, I can't tell.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,385 posts)Were you there? Did you ask what their intent was?
The only reason it wasn't damaged is because it was behind a pane of glass, but regardless, this isn't the way to garner support for their cause and it will backfire on them along with criminal charges and paying restitution for the clean up, something I fully support.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/oct/14/just-stop-oil-activists-throw-soup-at-van-goghs-sunflowers
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,385 posts)doesn't mean it's true.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)The painting is glazed. They could see that. They have said they knew it. Now you're saying that these primary forms of evidence aren't good enough for you. What would you actually accept as evidence, or are you just assuming that you have read their minds already?
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,385 posts)I can say alot of things, doesn't mean it's true.
How does this garner support for their cause?
You weren't there, you don't know what there actual intent was, they can say they didn't intend to harm the painting, but how do YOU know that's true?
My opinion is that they've got a screw loose if they think this idiotic stunt will get the support they want.
emulatorloo
(44,130 posts)Why you insist on trotting out fantasies Obviously more projection on your part.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)as mentally ill.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,385 posts)something we're allowed to do in these United States of America.
emulatorloo
(44,130 posts)LeftInTX
(25,364 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,058 posts)...there's at least a 70% chance it was seed oil, like castor or flaxseed.
So, it would make even less sense.
jmowreader
(50,559 posts)And he would have probably thinned it with turpentine - which comes from tree sap.
ProfessorGAC
(65,058 posts)I meant linseed, not flax seed, in my post. Linseed comes from flax, but is a far more common term
You're clarification is appreciated.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)jimfields33
(15,809 posts)That painting is so protective and they need to do that for all paintings. Put protective covering over it and have people unable to get close to the painting. They should do this all over the world.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)That's already done. No where on the planet will you be able to get anywhere near an unprotected Van Gough. Unless you own it.
Happy Hoosier
(7,308 posts)These young people are complete assholes for doing this, but at least they chose to use a substance that has a visual impact, but doesn't really have permanent. destructive power.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)demmiblue
(36,860 posts)Brenda
(1,059 posts)As in the other thread about this, DU would rather hate on activists than accept the truth that the painting is unharmed.
LeftInTX
(25,364 posts)Why is it in the news now?
Hmm...election...Fox News: "Left wing activists destroy Van Gogh painting"
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)LeftInTX
(25,364 posts)Oh...internet news.....grhh...
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)You don't have to be a twitter member to read tweets. I'm not.
Read the first tweet you replied to.
LeftInTX
(25,364 posts)I read the article linked in the tweet....
Date of the article is July 26, 2022
muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)They've added a new picture to an old story. Notice the text of the story doesn't mention 'soup' at all. Archived version from the 26th July to 15th August are available, eg https://web.archive.org/web/20220815203124/https://www.thenationalnews.com/arts-culture/art/2022/07/26/why-are-climate-activists-gluing-themselves-to-artistic-masterpieces/
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)When I write something, please read it, not read what you want to read into it. I was emphatic about TWEET. I capitalized it. (However, I was in error to write "the tweet you replied to" because I thought you had replied to post #4 which contained the tweets).
I did not write "article".
I did not say to go through the article to a tweet.
This subthread (post #4) started with a TWEET.
Now, to get you back on track, go to post #4 which started this subthread, click on the first TWEET, read that, note the date 14 October 2022. IT IS NOT RECYCLED!
Floyd R. Turbo
(26,547 posts)Protesters throw two tins of Heinz tomato soup at Vincent van Goghs famous 1888 work Sunflowers at the National Gallery in London on October 14. Photo: Just Stop Oil
LeftInTX
(25,364 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)onenote
(42,704 posts)The Van Gogh incident occurred on October 14, 2022. The July incident was a separate incident involving other paintings. Seems really clear if you actually read the article.
"In July, Just Stop Oil activists glued themselves to the frame of Leonardo da Vincis The Last Supper at Londons Royal Academy of Arts, and to John Constables The Hay Wain in the National Gallery."
So maybe its in the news now because it just happened?
Maybe you want to edit your post?
LeftInTX
(25,364 posts)I wish people would read articles and not just tweets. Nevertheless, the photos in the article are likely auto-updating....
https://www.thenationalnews.com/arts-culture/art/2022/07/26/why-are-climate-activists-gluing-themselves-to-artistic-masterpieces/
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)if you will and updated it to include the new facts from October, and a new pic.
Normally you'd expect something like 'Last Updated 10/14/2022' or the like to appear on the site as well as the original articles publish date.
Had this site presented that, it would've avoided this confusion.
honest.abe
(8,678 posts)The July incidents were different works of art. The photos in that container must have updated to use that current photo.
Confusing for sure!
Link to tweet
onenote
(42,704 posts)The article in the OP is dated October 14 and is about something that happened on October 14. (See post #45 for confirmation).
You linked to an old article from the National News that apparently has been updated with a photo of the most recent attack. But that doesn't mean the attack happened on the Van Gogh as you seem to be claiming.
Again, go back to the USA Today article that was linked in the OP and to post #45.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)emulatorloo
(44,130 posts)Climate activists throw soup on Van Gogh's 'Sunflowers' to protest fossil fuel extraction
The Associated Press
Published Oct 14, 2022
LONDON Climate protesters threw soup over Vincent van Goghs Sunflowers in Londons National Gallery on Friday to protest fossil fuel extraction, but caused no discernible damage to the glass-covered painting.
The group Just Stop Oil, which wants the British government to halt new oil and gas projects, said activists dumped two cans of tomato soup over the oil painting, one of the Dutch artists most iconic works. The two protesters also glued themselves to the gallery wall.
The soup splashed across the glass covering the painting and its gilded frame. The gallery said there is some minor damage to the frame but the painting is unharmed. The work is one of several versions of Sunflowers that Van Gogh painted in the late 1880s.
LeftInTX
(25,364 posts)The OP was originally a tweet, now it's an article. I saw the July 26th article in the tweet. Geez. I'm catching flak for posting an article from July 26th. However, the article is likely auto-updated with photos.
https://www.thenationalnews.com/arts-culture/art/2022/07/26/why-are-climate-activists-gluing-themselves-to-artistic-masterpieces/
Good grief, this really is about nothing. And it's not my fault that it's in an article dated July 26th.
emulatorloo
(44,130 posts)I provided you another link above. I dont know where you found that tweet but the AP article USA today posted clearly states this happened Friday, October 14, 2022.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)FBaggins
(26,744 posts)I didnt actually hit anyone so its ok!
hlthe2b
(102,283 posts)an irreplaceable treasure is hardly worthy of the nasty attack you just launched on those of us who point it out. You appear new to DU. I can assure you we are environmental activists here ourselves, but we don't go out and try to hurt people, animals or irreplaceable masterpieces in some misguided way to get attention.
Accusing DUers of "hating on activists" may put you astray of the TOS for this site. Just a caution.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)The hate for the activists is clear from several DUers, in this and another thread. And it's not a "nasty attack" to point it out.
The painting is behind glass. So they weren't going out "to hurt people, animals or irreplaceable masterpieces". You're just making accusations up.
Brenda
(1,059 posts)Good luck muriel.
emulatorloo
(44,130 posts)MarineCombatEngineer
(12,385 posts)Carry on with your victimization.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,385 posts)it was a nasty attack, whether or not it was protected and they did violate the law.
I don't hate them, I have nothing but contempt for them for attempting to deface a beautiful work of art by a famous artist.
If my comments bother you, well, that's your problem, not mine.
emulatorloo
(44,130 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)"Assholes"
"Sounds like mental health issues to me"
"mentally ill and probably kinda dumb"
"hardly sane"
"Stupid"
"complete assholes"
"SO dumb you almost have to wonder if they're even for real"
"These are not climate activists these are anarchist assholes"
"These are entitled assholes"
(in reply to "Ever hear of Earth Liberation Front?" I helped beat the shit out of one of them back in the day lol The little fuckstick was outside an Earth Crisis show waving a sign that said "Spike Trees - Kill The Tree Killers - Earth Liberation Front". It wasn't as well-received as he thought it would be, even at an EC show. I just got a couple kicks in, but watching a rather large guy smash the punk's head with the stock his sign had been mounted on was immensely satisfying"
"Imbeciles"
"my feelings for these shitheeled thugs pass through mere contempt into vengeance. Fuck these useless vandals with a rusty drill pipe"
"entitled assholes"
"spoiled antics of white kids"
"Genuinely idiots"
"Idiots"
"the brain-dead little fuckers won't receive anything close to the punishment they deserve for this sick stunt."
"They should've sat on the curb outside and set themselves on fire."
This is why it's objective fact.
emulatorloo
(44,130 posts)and whether or not the tactics of this group are rational and ill-advised isnt hating activists.
You are way off base here with your attacks on your fellow DUers.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)emulatorloo
(44,130 posts)You really arent doing yourself any favors with yr disinformation campaign against your fellow DUers.
Have a great weekend, I mean that sincerely. Bye.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)about DU. Muriel ONLY about that horrible list of posts, more of the daily evidence that what's happened on the right is contagious.
And Muriel, to be clear, I don't appreciate your slurs against those who don't deserve them.
hlthe2b
(102,283 posts)Last edited Sat Oct 15, 2022, 07:36 AM - Edit history (1)
cause irreparable damage as appears to be their intent... Give these irreplaceable treasures essentially belong to the world, that is an unforgivable thing to try to do.
I don't deserve your attacks. I criticize the tactics of these activists as do most people here--not their cause. Further response to you will only enable this behavior and I will not do so. Have a good day.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)This is the thing - you're making unfounded accusations against them. Bringing up the DU TOS, when the other poster was nowhere near being a problem with them, was also an attempt to shut them up. Saying " we don't go out and try to hurt people, animals or irreplaceable masterpieces" is obviously an accusation that the activists you are slagging off do do things like that, when they don't.
It's clear (see the list in #72) that many DUers do hate these activists; pointing out that they do is not a "nasty attack".
hlthe2b
(102,283 posts)As countless Duers on this thread have repeatedly told you, tactics matter, no matter how noble the cause. Attacking other Duers and making unfounded accusations is the projection of your own behavior on this subthread. You are better than this. I hope you will give THAT some thought.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)And I don't believe anyone here thinks that damage to a frame in the UK was really worth commenting about.
My behaviour in this thread is a result of hatred (not just about "tactics" - again, look at the names they've called the protesters in this and the other thread - sometimes including wish of physical harm) expressed by DUers. That evidence is in front of your eyes. You ignore it, and instead go on a holier-than-them "we don't harm people or cause irreparable damage" patting-you-own-back session, when your scapegoats don't do that either. You just see an opportunity to think yourself better than them, even though it requires making stuff up about them.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,385 posts)So everyone else here is wrong and you're right?
The only one here who thinks they're holier than them in this thread is YOU, but what the hey, keep that shovel digging.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)so yes, they were wrong, objectively. We all know that. We also all know they spent a long time insulting, and even wishing physical harm on, the protesters. This was all based on their wrong ideas about what happened, and so, yeah, the "holier-than-them" expressions were widespread. And wrong - they didn't bother finding out what happened, because many people love a chance to feel superior to someone, and don't want facts to get in the way of that.
It's sad that such knee-jerk reactions against climate protesters happen on DU; you'd hope that given the cause, all DUers would inform themselves of actual facts, and think things over, before leaping in with accusations of "mental health issues" and so on. But to many people, climate change is one of those things that can be nice to avoid, but not of great concern when there's an internet pile-on to join.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,385 posts)we're condemning their mode of protest, not their cause.
Tell us, how does this further their cause?
How does the attempted destruction of an irreplaceable piece of art help their cause?
And yes, it was an attempt to harm or destroy that painting, whether or not it was glazed, by a couple of moronic idiots who should have known better, and I don't care what they say about not intending to harm it, we have no idea what their actual intent was.
Calling them out is NOT HATING, despite what you may say.
I'll say it, they're a couple of assholes for their actions, not their cause and if you want to deem that as hateful, have at it, I couldn't care less.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)You call them "assholes", "moronic idiots" and worse.
It's simple how it furthers the cause: it gets publicity for what the government is doing - handing out new drilling licences for oil and gas (which is mentioned in the Sky News story on the painting), at a time when fossil fuels should be kept in the ground.
No, the fact that it was glazed, and they've said they knew that, means that it was not an attempt to harm or destroy the painting. I can't understand why you're still denying that - you're just ignoring reality (their intent is stated). You are not just calling them out, you're attributing false goals to them. And yes, that, and the personal insults, add up to hating them - bearing false witness against them.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,385 posts)just like Benedict Donald, people say a lot of things that aren't true, so how do YOU know, other than their word, that they had no intention of harming the painting?
This screwed up stunt will turn more people away from their cause than bring more people to it, so how does that help?
Judging by the majority of comments here, it doesn't, and I will continue to call them idiotic assholes who should have known the backlash it would create, all negative, they certainly didn't create any sympathy for their cause among those that would possible join in.
That you can't see that and continue to label us as haters is beyond me, but, like I said, I couldn't care less if you label me as a hater, it affects me in no way possible.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)ie what they say, in favour of your made-up goal you want to attribute to them.
Yes, DU is pretty crap when it comes to the climate, especially when in kneejerk mode. Thankfully, lots of people are more thoughtful than the DUers who react to a headline.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,385 posts)we're just going around in circles, we're not going to change each other's minds and I don't care to read anything further you have to say on this particular issue, but I will read other posts of yours, which I generally agree with, so, on that note, I bid you a fare thee well and have a great weekend.
harumph
(1,900 posts)And, yes, sign me up for the hate brigade. I'm "hating" on activists who deface and destroy art.
hlthe2b
(102,283 posts)MarineCombatEngineer
(12,385 posts)I guess I'm one of the "haters" also because I criticized their actions also.
I realize the painting wasn't damaged being as it was "glazed", but it was an asinine and illegal thing to do and won't garner any sympathy for their cause.
emulatorloo
(44,130 posts)secondwind
(16,903 posts)Not current.
Floyd R. Turbo
(26,547 posts)Response to secondwind (Reply #8)
Bernardo de La Paz This message was self-deleted by its author.
onenote
(42,704 posts)The incident that just occurred involved an attack on a Van Gogh painting. The story makes clear that this isn't the first time these folks have targeted art work. As the article states, "In July, Just Stop Oil activists glued themselves to the frame of Leonardo da Vincis The Last Supper at Londons Royal Academy of Arts, and to John Constables The Hay Wain in the National Gallery."
marble falls
(57,097 posts)... piece of art was vandalized? And I realized: I didn't care as much about that as I did about all the pickups and cars I saw in the parking lot at the HEB with engines running while the occupants were inside shopping this morning.
I'm getting old.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)The two concepts (saving and not destroying) are compatible and non-conflicting.
Just like it is possible to chew gum and walk at the same time, it is possible to save our culture legacy and the environment at the same time.
marble falls
(57,097 posts)... on my age and how locality modifies outrage.
BlueTsunami2018
(3,492 posts)What a dopey way to protest.
Greedy big oil execs and their paid waterboys in government are going to see people throwing soup and gluing themselves to a wall and say You know what? Theyre right. Lets shut down the whole industry.
Pulling these stunts turns away people who might be sympathetic to their cause.
Its just dumb.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)LeftInTX
(25,364 posts)Not all of it was meaning and worthwhile.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Will look at their private art collections and think I guess that makes MY Van Gogh just that more valuable.
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)Dr. Strange
(25,921 posts)She's even shown flashing the white supremacist signal!
Duppers
(28,125 posts)Climate activism is a liberal cause.
White supremacy is as ReichWing as it gets.
So damn.
ripcord
(5,404 posts)Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)Even though the work wasnt harmed, its still not cool IMO
milestogo
(16,829 posts)jmowreader
(50,559 posts)
in a truck fueled with petroleum diesel.
Yeah guys, great way to protest the oil companies.
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)delicious!
milestogo
(16,829 posts)I guess they picked something that would be worst if the painting were actually exposed.
MarineCombatEngineer
(12,385 posts)Gotta have crackers with Tomato Soup.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)MarineCombatEngineer
(12,385 posts)Vinca
(50,276 posts)Attention is fine, but not at the expense of a fine work or art. Throw soup on gas pumps or something.
Kaleva
(36,307 posts)If like to know how much time and effort they are putting in to adapting.
moonshinegnomie
(2,453 posts)what the courts should do (since they are so concerned about fossil fuels ) is ban the 2 arrested from using fossil fuels.
no more driving,taking mass transit, heat or electricity. after all they are all derived from the evil fossil fuels.
sakabatou
(42,152 posts)beaglelover
(3,486 posts)XorXor
(621 posts)Not all attention is good attention.
Hekate
(90,708 posts)Owl
(3,642 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)It does not seem related to oil.
AntivaxHunters
(3,234 posts)the British government being more concerned with art & spending a ton on it when they aren't spending money where it should be spent & focused on - climate change
treestar
(82,383 posts)though they might start with other things, some might think, other than art!
betsuni
(25,537 posts)Poor Vincent, .
treestar
(82,383 posts)seemed very odd for them to put those two things into some kind of competition!
AntivaxHunters
(3,234 posts)I really wish people would read a different article than this one from the USA Today which doesn't say WHY they did this.
Climate change is THEE #1 cause of young people & to be honest, Britain isn't doing enough to fight against it. And quite frankly, we aren't either! Do you notice anything? The climate activists doing this are young people. And it happens here in the United States as well but the MSM doesn't cover it.
Activists from Extinction Rebellion and Just Stop Oil are raising awareness the best possible way that they can and while people on here freak out, these are the young people who will be living with the drastic effects of climate change. I'm pretty sure that being able to breathe is more important than a piece of art but anyways....
They full well knew that the painting was shielded by heavy glass. Did they harm anybody? No. No one was hurt. So given the painting was fully protected and nobody hurt, exactly WHAT is the problem?
There is no other emergency as large as climate change.
Punching down on climate activists ain't it. And if that's going to be the path forward we're going to lose a shit ton of elections given young voters are now the largest voting bloc. Instead, punch up on the the British government & others like our own who aren't doing enough to fight against climate change despite the countless & decades we've been warned. And these activists specifically said that the British government is more concerned with spending money on expensive & valuable art than it is with climate change. We should be supporting activists not disparaging them. How many of you were around during the Viet Nam War & the protests which took place. I am not but I full well know how much shit anti-war activists got.
Don't be those people please.
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Meowmee
(5,164 posts)to attack an innocent work of art, a masterpiece, to further your cause to save the environment or anything else. It's likely to do the opposite of gaining support for your cause. I find it sad that such works have to have glass over them in the first place because people feel the need to do this sort of pointless thing for whatever reasons.