Pelosi to Pence 1/6: Don't let anyone know where you are.

[deminks]

Link to tweet

?s=20&t=4pBhjDCkwG7ekF7ur4lihw

Goes along with "I'm not getting in that car."

[50 Shades Of Blue]

1. Holy fuck!

[Alice Kramden]

2. Listening to that

Gave me chills. Smart lady, brave - she is amazing

[superpatriotman]

3. How close we came to being overthrown

And turned into a Cheeto republic

[BOSSHOG]

8. And trumps base would have been fine with

Pence and Pelosi dead. Disgusting to the max. And who would suffer the most in the long run if the coup were successful? Trump supporters. Those who don’t know how lucky they are right now. The committee did a great job of getting my BP through the roof. I am having increasingly incredibly negative thoughts about trump and his kind. Our country suffers because of willful ignorance. I occasionally wax philosophical, now I’m just pissed to blindness. 30 years in the navy shot to hell.

[Evolve Dammit]

14. x 1000

[BOSSHOG]

17. Sadly

My post is music to the ears of Russian trolls. “We will destroy you without firing a shot.”

[slightlv]

25. You're not the only one p'o'd to the max, BOSS!

I never had a problem with blood pressure until *rump became prez. From that point on, I've been on blood pressure meds and even now, can feel them fail me at when I watch or read certain items.

30 years in the Navy?! I salute you. I only did one stint in the Air Force, but I spent the rest of my career working as a DoD civilian, mostly supporting the Reserves and Nat Guard in their wartime educations through Distance Learning and IT support in field. The Magats may try to sully all that, but they can never take the pride I feel in having served my country for over 40 years in one form or another, nor the humanity expressed between me and my students in some of the worst conditions they could imagine.

What I don't understand is how anyone could be IN the military and be so willfully blind to what TFG is and what he stands for. That's a degree of cult behavior that's beyond my comprehension.

[BOSSHOG]

26. They've (conservatives) have proven for at least the last 40 years

They don’t know the basics to run a country; leadership, governance and money management. Their default is scream loudly, pretend to be patriotic and be easily manipulated.

I was fortunate enough to serve with the USAF in a joint operation in Saudi Arabia in the 90s. Still have friends from that tour.

I also live somewhere in Kansas. “Value them Both” signs still litter the county. Catholics spending tax exempt money in an attempt to codify a religious belief.

I so much want to enjoy my retirement but if Nancy Pelosi can Soldier on, then so can I.

Watch that BP my friend.

[slightlv]

29. You, too!

>Watch that BP my friend.

You, too! We need to defeat all these Brownbackian candidates this year!

[wnylib]

35. Not shot to hell. It was the US military that held strong,

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along with some Congressional leaders, election officials, and courts and refused to violate their oaths. Not to mention the Capitol and DC police.

[BOSSHOG]

46. I was thinking of

My career of supporting and defending would be shot to hell if we lose liberty and Justice for all because of the actions of a serial lying moral degenerate and the domestic enemies who don’t know how good they have it and opt to follow him straight to hell.

[ForgedCrank]

12. I find it

odd that people believe that the United States is a building, property, or specific leaders that can be "overthrown" by a violent mob.
Our elected representatives were no doubt in serious danger that day, but our system of government was not.
I believe in the process 100%, and that process is not dependent on the Capitol grounds or specific people. It is quite robust in that way because we live under the rules of law and concepts, and those are things that cannot be physically destroyed.
Sure, we may have documents and monuments, but the United States lives in our hearts, not on paper or in a building somewhere.
And we can see the truth in that through the number of people going to prison every day for their role in what they did.
Those jackasses never had even a remote chance of accomplishing anything that day other than creating chaos and suffering, and none of that could ever further their goals. Not in this country anyway

[wnylib]

37. Rubbish. Laws get ignored. Coups occur in democracies.

But surely you know that.

[wnylib]

47. Hyperventilating? A bit hyperbolic, isn't it?

You have represented some good right wing points in your argument that J6 could not have overturned the government. Do you also think that the mob on J6 was just exercising free speech and got a little out of hand?

Your focus on the nut cases pooping in the Capitol overlooks the well organized and armed Oath Keepers and Proud boys, their connections to Roger Stone, Secret Service agents, and Trump. Also overlooks Trump's determination to stay in power as a dictator by overturning the election.

J6 was a coup attempt. It failed. If it had succeeded, we would have a dictatorship, not a democracy.

You are denying that J6 was a threat to democracy. I don't buy it.

[ForgedCrank]

48. FFS,

Accusing someone of "right wing talking points" is old and stale. I don't fucking promote anything right-wing, and I never have. I'm trying to have an honest and frank discussion about something and I find that quite insulting, but maybe that was your intent?
I'll continue to look at matters at face value. And if you think those idiots could have actually overthrown the United States Of America that day, then so be it. I disagree completely. Our system simply is not that fragile or centralized, and it was designed that way on purpose.

[wnylib]

49. No intent to insult. Just being frank about

how your denial regarding J6 comes across.

[DemocraticPatriot]

50. Our side stayed away from the Capitol on J6, but

we would not have stayed away forever...


Preventing the vote on J-6 (if they had successfully delayed it longer) would not have equated to a 'successful coup'. There are a lot more of us than there of of 'them'....


If they had succeeded in delaying the transition of power, or pushed a "rigged vote" of the electoral college, that would not have been the end of the matter.... Good thing they failed, because a lot more people probably would have died... but it is not as if all the rest of us would have lied down and taken it, and that includes most of the military...


(Not defending whatever that other guy said, as I can't see it... but no 'dictatorship' was assured just because the ceremonial vote of congress might have been delayed for a few more days...)


(( and that goes for 2024, as well... ))

[wnylib]

51. If they had succeeded in killing some more people,

especially members of Congress, Trump would have declared a national emergency and martial law. End result - dictatorship.

The Capitol and DC police delayed the mob long enough that members of Congress were able to be escorted to safety and their staff were able to barricade themselves in offices.

Pence did not replace certified slates of electors with false ones, as Trump wanted him to do. Also, Pence did not get into the car with Trump's Secret Service.

The police defending the Capitol shot only once. If they had fired at more people, Trump would have had his excuse to call a national emergency and establish martial law. Besides his militias, Trump also had several individual members of the National Guard, Secret Service, military, former military, and other agencies in sympathy with him, willing to enforce his emergency declaration.

How does a democracy function with its executive branch run by a dictatorial president refusing to leave office, its legislative branch unable to function, the judicial branch unable to enforce any decision under the circumstances, and no one with the power or authority to stop a dictatorial takeover by the executive branch, which has the constitutional power of commander in chief over the armed forces?

The president elect could go ahead with being sworn in and giving orders to the military to oppose the coup. With a divided military, how effective would his orders be? With thousands of civilian supporters, and thousands of trained militia members backing Trump, plus active duty police, military, and Guard members joining the Trump forces, there would have been a civil war.

In the midst of this, there would be a need for elections to replace lost Congressional members. The poster that I originally responded to said that even if all Congressional members had been killed, democracy would not have been lost. Yet Congress appropriates money for military operations. And with two people claiming the presidency, who would have control of the Treasury and other departments?

But the worst damage has already been done by the J6 coup attempt. Faith in the electoral process is diminished. Several state legislatures across the country have passed laws allowing them to choose electors in 2024, over the wishes of the people. MAGA candidates are copying Trump in special elections and the midterm primaries, refusing to concede when they lose. Election officials are being threatened by MAGAs.

J6 was just the beginning of a dictatorial coup attempt. History shows us that failed coup instigators learn from their mistakes and can be successful next time around.

[wryter2000]

4. I'm no Pence lover

But he was brave that day. He could have been taken to safely, and that would have complied with what Trump wanted him to do. He would have had an excuse. Of course, he’s gone back to believe an ahole since.

[GreenWave]

5. +1

[niyad]

16. I LOATHE that woman-hating, christofascist piece of slime, but I don't

think he would have been taken to safety.

[Pachamama]

27. +100000

I’m with you completely on this

[wnylib]

39. Exactly. The safety of Pence was not on the

minds of the Trumpist Secret Security detail assigned to Pence.

[Hekate]

38. Right. "Safety" wasn't in the plan for Pence.

[Midnight Writer]

6. Yet Pence acts like Trump, McCarthy, are great leaders and Pelosi is a disaster for America.

A side note: Overheard my neighbor talking to her visitors yesterday and she said Pelosi was "demonic" and Democrats were working to destroy the country. I am so sick of these ignorant numbskulls.

[wnylib]

42. So Trump apparently has something on Pence

to make him compliant.

[wnylib]

43. So Trump apparently has something on Pence

to make him compliant.

[Irish_Dem]

7. My God.

[onethatcares]

9. and then

she eats a slim jim while telling the vp what to do.

Now that's a patriot!

[milestogo]

10. The Dem Speaker has concern for him, while his running mate wants him killed.

Amazing.

[ffr]

11. Nancy must have known something to be suspicious.

She's definitely suspicious, enough to pass it on to others she felt needed to be safe. Don't tell anyone where you are.

[mucifer]

31. Pence is ultra right wing so she know some

Of his “friends” might be hoping to kill him.

Yup she’s his opponent and yet she cares and his president would not protect him.

So bizarre.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

13. Meanwhile Boebert is tweeting out information about Pelosi's position. Contrast. . . . nt

[Evolve Dammit]

15. And she should be charged for crimes; intending to further the coup and kill members of C.

[onetexan]

18. Meadows needs to be thrown in jail. He's one of the perpetrators of 1/6

[BumRushDaShow]

19. Pence was in Congress for 6 terms

before running for Governor and then joining 45 as VP, so in her position as Whip, Minority Leader, and then Speaker (before he left), she knew him from that perspective.

[BigmanPigman]

20. The fly that landed on his head at the debates was attracted to

the cowardly, piece of shit.

[NCjack]

21. I think that the reason Trump finally called off the insurrections was

that he could not get the location and status (dead, alive and hiding, or alive and captured) of Pence.

Finally, he had to conclude that Pence was alive and hiding, and the national guard would soon arrive to rescue Congress. The jig was up.

[crickets]

23. Good point. nt

[bucolic_frolic]

22. "Short kept it vague" was a smart move in itself.

I suppose the dangers of public life are part of training they receive, and many knew Trump was up to no good. Pence seemed late to the game but aware when it counted.

[Solly Mack]

24. K&R

[kacekwl]

28. Yet to this day the " god fearing "

Pence would drive a bus over Speaker Pelosi to give trump a ride.

[mucifer]

32. Not really he did refuse to overthrow the

Presidency that day.

Oh he’s evil. I know he’s evil. But that day he did refuse to be a major player in the coup and he almost died for it.

[Mr.Bill]

33. He refused to do it because

he took the advice of people who said it would not be legal. If he had thought it was legal he would have done it in a heartbeat.

[mucifer]

34. How could it possibly be legal ?

[Mr.Bill]

36. Ask Trump.

He told Pence it was legal. Fortunately Pence consulted Dan Quayle on the matter. When you have to ask Dan Quayle something, you really must not have the answer.

[3auld6phart]

30. Jeebus H

Bloody scary . What a shit show.Damn I and Ks of others truly hope that fat,orange bbuckeof ecxcremnt gets truly nailed hard .

[Joinfortmill]

40. Scary words.

[childfreebychoice]

41. And yet pence is still a rethug, hoping the very ppl who wanted him

dead, will vote for him. Pelosi, tough old Baltimore stock, happy she is on our side

[diehardblue]

44. She saved his sorry a**. He still says he would support tfg!