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Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 05:50 PM Oct 2022

DOJ files BRUTAL appeal brief of the entire Special Master Shenanigans

(added a TLDR at the bottom of this post)

DoJ has filed with the 11th Circus to vacate the special master appointment in its entirety. This is in addition to the partial recision already granted by the 11th Circus, which tested the waters.

One of the clearest takeaways - he's guilty of obstruction and they have all the evidence they need to prove that without question.

Here is the intro:







Full doc here:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23132504-trumpdocsdojbrfca11101422

I will update the OP with choice nuggets as I dig deeper.

Edit:

If you liked Cobbledick, wait until you get a load of Hunsucker:




The outline here is itself a joy. What's amazing is the thorough treatment that the following bleedingly obvious propositions receive:

A. Plaintiff Has No Plausible Claims of Executive Privilege


1. Plaintiff cannot invoke executive privilege to bar the Executive Branch’s review and use of its own records

2. United States v. Nixon forecloses any executive privilege claims

B. Plaintiff Has No Plausible Claims of Attorney-Client Privilege That Would Justify an Injunction


D. Plaintiff’s Purported Factual Disputes Are Irrelevant

1. Plaintiff’s suggestion that he might have declassified the seized records is irrelevant

2. Plaintiff’s suggestion that he might have categorized seized records as “personal” records under the PRA only weakens his executive privilege claims


TLDR: The DoJ has taken the ball handed to them by (1) the 11th Circuit's previous partial reversal, as requested, of part of the special master order and (2) SCOTUS' refusal to bother with that 11th Circuit decision; and has decided to simply apply the same reasoning to the entirety of materials seized in the Mar-a-lago search.

Filing this AFTER SCOTUS said it wasn't going to touch the first decision indicates a very cautious approach by the DoJ to see if SCOTUS was inclined to deal with this case and how. SCOTUS passed on that, so it increases the confidence level by at least some increment they aren't going to bother with the marginally broader general objection to the Special Master. It also separates the eggs and baskets with respect to the types of documents seized.

Here's the key point:

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DOJ files BRUTAL appeal brief of the entire Special Master Shenanigans (Original Post) Effete Snob Oct 2022 OP
A-1 BBQ sauce on one side. Siracha on the other. Tetrachloride Oct 2022 #1
Hold the Sriracha, don't waste it Warpy Oct 2022 #18
The Slobfather is going to be indicted malaise Oct 2022 #2
I agree. ShazzieB Oct 2022 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author fightforfreedom Oct 2022 #3
It is neither positive nor negative Effete Snob Oct 2022 #5
Special Master was bullshit from the start. spanone Oct 2022 #4
DOJ has played this like the masters they are, leaving the heavyweight appeal for last bucolic_frolic Oct 2022 #6
I added a TLDR with my opinion of the timing and substance Effete Snob Oct 2022 #7
Well said.. I use to get so Cha Oct 2022 #8
Deja vu all over again... DET Oct 2022 #9
You may be thinking of the DoJ's motion for stay pending appeal Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2022 #14
Thanks, But Not That DET Oct 2022 #16
Today was the deadline for DOJ to file its brief under the expedited schedule. onenote Oct 2022 #22
Thanks! Please let "11th Circus" not be a typo. :) Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2022 #10
Thanks so much for posting and summarizing! Fiendish Thingy Oct 2022 #11
Interesting ejbr Oct 2022 #12
Thank you for the link to the filing LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2022 #13
thanks for posting. Hamlette Oct 2022 #15
SLAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM! ffr Oct 2022 #17
Thanks for the "light reading".... SergeStorms Oct 2022 #19
My favorite part ... Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2022 #21
Lol yeah Effete Snob Oct 2022 #23
This one feels like the gloves came off. I'm hoping the 11th again chastises Cannon. Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2022 #24
Trump's defenses look so lame when extended to regular criminals. chriscan64 Oct 2022 #25
I can't tell you how those jewels became my property or it might reveal my secret defense strategy. Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2022 #27
Oh, this is wonderful! I'm going to celebrate at lunch. GoneOffShore Oct 2022 #26

Tetrachloride

(7,844 posts)
1. A-1 BBQ sauce on one side. Siracha on the other.
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 05:56 PM
Oct 2022

The question is rare, medium, well-done, black out, charcoal or ashes.

ShazzieB

(16,399 posts)
20. I agree.
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 08:50 PM
Oct 2022

I don't see any way he can NOT be.

No doubt gloom and doormers are going to post (if they haven't already started) that it will never happen, our democracy is doomed yada yada, but they will be wrong.

They. WILL. Be. WRONG.

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Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
5. It is neither positive nor negative
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 06:02 PM
Oct 2022

I don't stay up worrying about what people's wishful thinking leads them to believe. I take a lot of shit here for that.

The OP is about a current fact, not hopes and dreams.

bucolic_frolic

(43,166 posts)
6. DOJ has played this like the masters they are, leaving the heavyweight appeal for last
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 06:07 PM
Oct 2022

After all the bullshit, there is copper-bottom gravitas.

AG Garland is doing more for the country than if he were on the Supreme Court.

Mitch, you ok man?

Cha

(297,240 posts)
8. Well said.. I use to get so
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 06:54 PM
Oct 2022

upset when there were those who were always dragging on AG Garland.. like they knew better than he did what was going on and How to Do IT.

DET

(1,311 posts)
16. Thanks, But Not That
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 08:06 PM
Oct 2022

It may be that DOJ announced its intention to file but didn’t do so until today. In any case, I hope that it’s expedited.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,346 posts)
10. Thanks! Please let "11th Circus" not be a typo. :)
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 07:10 PM
Oct 2022

Appreciate the link to the full doc as well as the highlights and commentary.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,616 posts)
11. Thanks so much for posting and summarizing!
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 07:25 PM
Oct 2022

A great service to the DU community.

Looks like a shrewd and savvy move by DOJ.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,346 posts)
21. My favorite part ...
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 10:20 PM
Oct 2022
Finally, to the extent Plaintiff eventually intends to seek return of property, his hypothetical, prior designation of records as “personal” records would still be unavailing. It was Plaintiff’s burden to establish a possessory interest in the seized records when he brought this suit, and he cannot rely on threadbare insinuations to establish yet another “dispute” that must be adjudicated before a special master. Further, Plaintiff plainly would not be entitled to the return of evidence solely on the ground that the evidence belonged to him when it was seized. If that were the case, evidence rooms nationwide would soon be emptied.


(Bold added).
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23132504/trumpdocsdojbrfca11101422.pdf
ppg. 46, 47, (pdf ppg. 60, 61)

chriscan64

(1,789 posts)
25. Trump's defenses look so lame when extended to regular criminals.
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 02:26 AM
Oct 2022

"My lawyer's business card was in the box of jewelry I stole, so it's protected by attorney client privilege."

"This selfie of me with the brick of coke proves that it's MY coke and should be returned forthwith."

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