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triron

(22,003 posts)
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 12:35 PM Oct 2022

I don't think the media gets it regarding the secret service.

It wasn't a breakdown in communications or failure to believe that the capitol would be attacked. That's what the criminals in the ss want people to believe. No, there were traitors in the ss that knew it was likely but intentionally did nothing. Why do you think the texts were deleted? By accident?

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I don't think the media gets it regarding the secret service. (Original Post) triron Oct 2022 OP
Y'know it's one thing to take a job where you will take a bullet for POTUS. no_hypocrisy Oct 2022 #1
Somehow committing crimes became part of the SS job description. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #9
All the far right needs to do is to infiltrate and take over law enforcement and the SS DSandra Oct 2022 #23
16 years ago the FBI warned us this has been happening Lasher Oct 2022 #30
Their Job Is To Protect The Office Holder ProfessorGAC Oct 2022 #32
Yup! no_hypocrisy Oct 2022 #42
The oath keepers were directly calling the SS. Pence didn't get in the car because he knew. onecaliberal Oct 2022 #2
Bingo, onecaliberal DENVERPOPS Oct 2022 #47
Pence made it clear he knew what they would do. True Blue American Oct 2022 #52
Maybe he had no idea deelee Oct 2022 #56
What ever we think True Blue American Oct 2022 #57
Yes!!!! McKim Oct 2022 #54
yep, concise and true llashram Oct 2022 #58
It's not a bad apple. It's the barrel. RockRaven Oct 2022 #3
Agree Jade Fox Oct 2022 #4
Agree that it was intentional cilla4progress Oct 2022 #5
It was a conspiracy to overthrow our govt! SheltieLover Oct 2022 #6
✔️✔️ Duppers Oct 2022 #29
... SheltieLover Oct 2022 #33
Agreed relayerbob Oct 2022 #7
Yes I agree. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #10
You may be right on some of this as much of the secret service stayed in place after 1/6 bottomofthehill Oct 2022 #12
But not locked up. SheltieLover Oct 2022 #35
It was obvious watching it unfold that it was planned & well coordinated SheltieLover Oct 2022 #34
Oh yeah relayerbob Oct 2022 #39
That & that police allowed that circus. SheltieLover Oct 2022 #41
That is the reality. And Corporate McPravda ownership know. Kid Berwyn Oct 2022 #8
When Chump became Potus in 2017, he didn't trust the Secret Service FakeNoose Oct 2022 #11
On the contrary, I think the media DOES get it regarding the Secret Service. BadgerMom Oct 2022 #13
Yes I suspected that too. Perhaps should have added triron Oct 2022 #15
They save their asses lock step. GreenWave Oct 2022 #14
Trump wanted an "alternate" private military Thunderbeast Oct 2022 #16
His own Praetorian Guard. paleotn Oct 2022 #22
It is pretty clear the SS was complicit. SunSeeker Oct 2022 #17
Goodness, fox watching the henhouse onetexan Oct 2022 #26
Agree. Joinfortmill Oct 2022 #18
The media won't even connect the missing msgs with live love laugh Oct 2022 #19
The Media gets it dlk Oct 2022 #20
...K&R... spanone Oct 2022 #21
They only get and report what their corporate censors allow them to get and report. Magoo48 Oct 2022 #24
Yep. Part of the plot. dchill Oct 2022 #25
Yes, and Major was a good boi. He should have bitten more of them. n/t ms liberty Oct 2022 #27
Yes indeed. nt SunSeeker Oct 2022 #36
Absolutely! Key SS members committed TREASON. PatrickforB Oct 2022 #28
Perhaps in some ways the media is in on it Heather MC Oct 2022 #31
Can you help with a link? triron Oct 2022 #37
Absolutely 💜 Heather MC Oct 2022 #38
Thanks. triron Oct 2022 #40
I believe the texts were deleted... reACTIONary Oct 2022 #43
Agree Completely. K and R. Stuart G Oct 2022 #44
There were stories about the W edition of the White House which ran that he, Cheney and the PNAC mob Ford_Prefect Oct 2022 #45
No, no, no, they get it. MSM favors the right. They're responsible for getting tfg elected Cozmo Oct 2022 #46
THIS Samrob Oct 2022 #50
Some Media markodochartaigh Oct 2022 #48
The press is weak kneed and spineless. Money is more important than honor. KPN Oct 2022 #49
Lather, rinse, repeat krkaufman Oct 2022 #51
Trump wanted and was successful at developing his own praetorian guard RVN VET71 Oct 2022 #53
no llashram Oct 2022 #55

no_hypocrisy

(46,114 posts)
1. Y'know it's one thing to take a job where you will take a bullet for POTUS.
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 12:37 PM
Oct 2022

It's another thing to become part of the overthrow of the USA b/c POTUS wants to.

Lasher

(27,597 posts)
30. 16 years ago the FBI warned us this has been happening
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 03:32 PM
Oct 2022
FBI warned of white supremacists in law enforcement 10 years ago. Has anything changed?

Oct 21, 2016

Increased attention toward the killing of black men and women by police throughout the past year has ignited national conversations on racism and law enforcement. From Freddie Gray in April 2015 to Deborah Danner — an “emotionally disturbed” woman fatally shot this week by an NYPD officer — protests around the country have forced many Americans to reassess how police engage with communities of color.

In light of — or perhaps despite — the increased scrutiny, FBI director James Comey told police officers at a national conference last Sunday that because of insufficient data on use of force, “Americans actually have no idea” whether racial bias in policing is really an epidemic. Pointing to current public outrage over police killings of African-Americans, Comey said “the absence of good information” and data has aided in the growing belief that police officers target particular communities.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement

And to this day, not one single thing has been done about it.

ProfessorGAC

(65,042 posts)
32. Their Job Is To Protect The Office Holder
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 03:33 PM
Oct 2022

Their loyalty needs to be the the safety of the person holding the office.
Who it is doesn't matter! Obviously, somebody chose loyalty to a person over their loyalty to the office.

onecaliberal

(32,861 posts)
2. The oath keepers were directly calling the SS. Pence didn't get in the car because he knew.
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 12:39 PM
Oct 2022

The fascist media DOES get it, the problem is they support the lies.

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
52. Pence made it clear he knew what they would do.
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 09:31 AM
Oct 2022

For once in 4 years Pence stood up. He also helped Nancy and Schumer to get the Congress back in session by making sure they had security.

I will never make light of what Pence did that day. I think he had no idea what he was signing on for by accepting the VP.

deelee

(41 posts)
56. Maybe he had no idea
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 12:01 PM
Oct 2022

But everyone else knew who he was hooking with, and then he had four years to figure it out. On 1/6 he was ONLY really worried about his own safety. Now, afterward, he could testify, but doesn't. Screw him

RockRaven

(14,967 posts)
3. It's not a bad apple. It's the barrel.
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 12:39 PM
Oct 2022

But the barrel is very happy for the media to make that mistake.

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
7. Agreed
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 12:50 PM
Oct 2022

The SS didn't "ignore" warnings, they participated in the planning. Trump didn't avoid calling in the Guard, he actively led the attack. The head of the Capitol Police didn't fail to prepare his people, he was in on it, and intentionally withheld weapons and planning. And on and on.

Irish_Dem

(47,092 posts)
10. Yes I agree.
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 01:03 PM
Oct 2022

There were a lot of other people who participated in the attack.
Trump did not do this by himself.

bottomofthehill

(8,329 posts)
12. You may be right on some of this as much of the secret service stayed in place after 1/6
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 01:14 PM
Oct 2022

But at the capitol, the Chief of the USCP and the House and SENATE Sergeants at Arms we’re all gone within 48 hours of the attack.

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
39. Oh yeah
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 04:44 PM
Oct 2022

A major giveaway was that Trump wasn't whisked off by helicopter as soon as the mob brkoe into the Capitol. Although it was obvious before that, also.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
41. That & that police allowed that circus.
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 06:00 PM
Oct 2022

If people showed up to rob a bank, cops wouldn't be holding doors open for them.

Kid Berwyn

(14,905 posts)
8. That is the reality. And Corporate McPravda ownership know.
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 12:56 PM
Oct 2022

Should the reporting be straight-up factual — meaning with the full resources of the free press behind the reporters, investigators and analysts — and the traitors would be named, indicted and tried.

Seeing how these crooks also work for the same class as the owners of the mass media, it won’t happen without a Democratically led Congress and Executive.

Only Uncle Sam can level the economic playing field, a park that includes the political playground.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
11. When Chump became Potus in 2017, he didn't trust the Secret Service
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 01:07 PM
Oct 2022

Chump had his own bodyguard - Keith Schiller - who had worked for him for over 20 years. Schiller came to the White House with Chump, but once John Kelly came in as Chief of Staff, Schiller decided to leave. I guess Schiller thought HE was going to be Chief of Staff, I don't know.

So Chump lost his "best buddy" and he had to hand-pick from the Secret Service the few guys who would become his "trusted right hand" guys. For them loyalty was everything, taking an oath to uphold the Constitution meant nothing.

It's all part of the story of how the White House turned into the Mafia under Chump.

(link) https://people.com/politics/president-trump-bodyguard-keith-schiller-leaving-white-house/

BadgerMom

(2,771 posts)
13. On the contrary, I think the media DOES get it regarding the Secret Service.
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 01:22 PM
Oct 2022

They’re on the same side. They don’t want their audience to get it.

Thunderbeast

(3,411 posts)
16. Trump wanted an "alternate" private military
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 01:56 PM
Oct 2022

He cobbled it together with Secret Service, INS, prison guards, and Federal Protective Service.

These paramilitary forces showed up in Portland without ID making illegal arrests.



dlk

(11,566 posts)
20. The Media gets it
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 02:56 PM
Oct 2022

We can’t ever forget it’s the owners and execs have their own agenda that colors everything that gets written and produced; and their agenda doesn’t always mesh with democracy—one reason we see so much infotainment in place of hard news.

spanone

(135,836 posts)
21. ...K&R...
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 02:57 PM
Oct 2022
Joe Biden to have new Secret Service team amid concern about Trump loyalty

Thu 31 Dec 2020 11.48 EST

Joe Biden is expected to receive Secret Service protection with a new team that is more familiar to him and replacing some agents amid concerns that they may be politically allied with Donald Trump.

In a changing of the guard as well as the man to be guarded at the White House, Biden’s security detail will undergo some staffing changes, the Washington Post reported on Thursday.

Several “senior” Secret Service agents are poised to return to the president-elect’s protection team and Biden knows these agents well because they guarded him and his family during his time as vice-president, according to the article, echoed in a report by CNN, citing a law enforcement source.....

....Although staffing changes are typical, several incidents reportedly contributed to the heightened concerns from Biden’s allies that some agents and officers might be loyal to Trump.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/31/joe-biden-secret-service-team-trump-loyalty



Magoo48

(4,709 posts)
24. They only get and report what their corporate censors allow them to get and report.
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 03:13 PM
Oct 2022

It’s not that we on DU are generally smarter than the media, we are simply free to discuss what we see and deduce. They are not.

PatrickforB

(14,574 posts)
28. Absolutely! Key SS members committed TREASON.
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 03:30 PM
Oct 2022

Honestly, Biden needs to clean house in the SS, NSA, State, CIA, and FBI.

Let's get people in there who will die to protect the republic, not who will commit treason so one guy can stay in power.

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
31. Perhaps in some ways the media is in on it
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 03:32 PM
Oct 2022

I was watching the news on the coverage and all the media was talking about was a clip from Nancy Pelosi exands she would punch Donald Trump in the face

I have yet to find anyone in the media that actually discussed the really big huge moment

When Pat Sips Alone

Screw the pooch when he answered the question ""who in the White House did not want the TERRORIST to leave the CAPITOL‽

He thought the question was "who on the staff and did not want the terrorists to leave the capitol?

Before he answered the question Liz Chaney corrected him corrected him and said "in the White House"

He responded "no one absolutely no 1 wanted them to stay in the Capitol"

And then he tried to say oh I was talking about the staff, And Adam shift com and Liz Chaney made sure he understood that he answered the question about everyone in the White House including the president of the United States.

Pat Sips Alone, just got really quiet and he realized he couldn't correct his answer without implicating Donald Trump.

This entire exchange starts if you're watching C-span when the clock is at 2:55.

So don't take my word for it. Go find it and see for yourself.

And yet for some reason the media chose to focus on Nancy polosi threatening to punch Donald Trump in the face🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️

How's that for absolutely useless media?

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
43. I believe the texts were deleted...
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 10:00 PM
Oct 2022

... by accident. Furthermore, I don't believe any of those texts would have had any more information in them than the 1.5 million documents that have been turned over. There isn't any evidence that the there are criminals or traitors in the secret service. If and when such evidence turns up, I'm sure they will be dealt with accordingly.

Ford_Prefect

(7,901 posts)
45. There were stories about the W edition of the White House which ran that he, Cheney and the PNAC mob
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 10:15 PM
Oct 2022

were paranoid about anyone at all knowing what they were up to. This lead to a particular POV at SS being prevalent under his regime. Much like DJT personal loyalty was emphasized along with mistrust of the rest of government. We saw that same perversion acted out by Cheney and the PNAC crew when they built a parallel CIA, DOD, and State Dept. intelligence apparatus to facilitate their policy goals in Iraq and elsewhere.

One of the significant flaws of the Obama years was the retention of people who were essentially agents in place for W's distortion of government. He kept far too many Bush/Cheney/PNAC loyalists in the name of fair play. The Obama Staff along with the DNC never seemed to grasp just how committed those people are to the PNAC vision of American empire and governance.

That situation laid the ground for the next GOP Conservative to take the office and continue the retreading of American government. We are seeing much the same in the current revelations about FBI, DOJ, DOD and other agency staff being loyal to DJT and the Christian Fascist agenda.

The national media doesn't "get it" because they trade in cultural myth and symbols of the same as something easily digested by the average grocery shopper (who is actually their target audience). Anything which requires additional thought by the reader/viewer is considered a waste of time even if the distinctions are significant ones. Why is that? Column inches used to be the excuse. Click time is the cause now. If it doesn't fit on a phone screen as a headline with remarks it doesn't get run. You supposedly have between 3 to 7 seconds before the average phone user or tablet surfer moves to the next available headline.

markodochartaigh

(1,138 posts)
48. Some Media
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 01:15 AM
Oct 2022

Some media outlets do cover it, Free Speech TV, Progressive Voices, Pacifica Radio, local progressive radio stations in some cities. We need to support the media sources which report facts.

krkaufman

(13,435 posts)
51. Lather, rinse, repeat
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 02:32 AM
Oct 2022

Sadly, this isn’t really new information, even if the media wants to treat it as new. Just think back to the b-s rationalizations offered by Comey for his pre-election announcement from: email investigation … concern that the info would be leaked (by FBI agents).

RVN VET71

(2,690 posts)
53. Trump wanted and was successful at developing his own praetorian guard
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 09:37 AM
Oct 2022

Parts of the USSS and the FBI were on the job to protect him and keep him in power. Pence's refusal to get in the car provided supposedly to take him to safety demonstrated this fact very dramatically and clearly. The VP may not have known if those particular Secret Service agents were there to kidnap and or murder him -- but for chrissakes, he was clearly suspicious and distrustful enough to refuse their efforts to get him into the car.

Trump doesn't know what the praetorian guard was to the emperors of Rome because Trump is an ignorant pig. But he knows instinctively -- as did those emperors --that he needed to cultivate an armed elite service for his protection and, ultimately (in, say, a second term) carry out his orders regardless of whether they violate basic constitutional principles. And this he managed to do by culling the ranks of the USSS and FBI and military for fascists willing to sell out their own comrades and country for a piece of power.

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