What do you think is the likelihood Kushner delivered top secret docs to MBS in return for $2B?

[Stinky The Clown]

I think that is quite likely.

[Me.]

1. 100%

[2naSalit]

11. +1

[TigressDem]

43. + 1000 nt

[hedda_foil]

2. 99.999% but I'm an easy grader!

[sop]

3. It's more likely than not.

[keithbvadu2]

4. Jared acted like a security clearance was a license to sell our country's secrets.

[Lasher]

26. Trump had to intervene to get Jared's top secret clearance approved.

Same thing for Ivanka.

Officials rejected Jared Kushner for top secret security clearance, but were overruled

[Grasswire2]

5. A no-brainer.

Didn't he also sell PPP during the pandemic?

[Trailrider1951]

28. Yep, sold it to China if I remember correctly

He needs to go to prison with the rest of that bunch!

[philly_bob]

6. Explains a lot ... including subsequnt MBS crackdown/execution of family members /nt

[certainot]

34. i was thinking other secrets, but spies in saudi would bring in big bucks

and that would probably be easy to corroborate and make it easy to put them away for life

[DENVERPOPS]

35. In reality

the Saudi's would give A FORTUNE to know the military and nuclear capabilities of all the nations around them, particularly IRAN and ISRAEL.....

The secrets of who in the family was not 100% for the Saudi's is nothing compared to the knowledge of the above.

Jared made a trip the last year Trump was in office. He took down a briefcase, exchanged it for a 150 Million dollar "loan" to bail his ass out of a commercial loan on one of his failed real estate deals, that was due the next week. That was for our intel on everyone in the Saudi Family that was a threat, as well as other spies. It was worth 150 million.......

So then, what is worth a TWO BILLION DOLLAR financing of Jared's start up company, immediately after Trump left office?????
The only thing, is to obtain the exact locations and strengths of every country's entire military and nuclear capabilities......

In all reality, Trump probably gave them away for free to Putin, but was able to sell them to others.

We probably will never come near knowing the depth of Trump's auctioning off of U.S. Intel to other countries over a period of six+ years. Much the same as his spawn and Jared auctioned off the entire U.S. stockpiles of PPE, not only to other countries, but to U.S. states. The PPE supplies coming in from manufacturers in other countries were Hijacked at Customs by order of Trump, and sent to the "national Stockpile" run by Ivanka and Jared. Trump then sent THREE TIMES the amount of PPE ordered by DeSantis, but shipped nothing to Massacussets which was being devastated by the Corona Virus. The Governor of Mass ordered a ton of supplies from China, the mayor convinced the owner of the New England Patriots to send the owner's planes over to China, and to fly the PPE directly to Logan? Airport. Instead of the planes going to customs, the governor unloaded the planes out on the Runway into Trucks the governor had hired, and had them escorted by the Mass State Patrol to private warehouses to be distributed to the hospitals in Massachusetts. Any "RED" state got supplied by Trump, (at a premium price of course) and the BLUE states got diddily squat.
The biggest laugh was Trump sending a multi hundred thousand dollar ADVANCE payment to a company to manufacturer respirators. The company didn't even manufacture respirators, and never even manufactured them or delivered them on the delivery date which was three years after the order. What kind of "commission" do you think Jared and Ivanka got for that transaction?????

[certainot]

37. thanks, great analysis.

[Hugin]

50. They had begun turning the vaccine distribution into a spoils system in the Fall of '20.

One of the Biden/Harris Administration’s first acts was to put an end to that scam. Which is why I will continue supporting them no matter how much mud is thrown and I will never even entertain the thought of voting for anyone even remotely associated with the GOP as long as I am still able to vote. It is also why any sort of bipartisan hand reaches leave me sour. The GOP as a whole have proven themselves untrustworthy of the public trust.

[philly_bob]

52. Great Analysis.

Price of information:

$150 million for info on disloyal Saudis
$2 billion for info on Middle East nuclear status.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

7. Wouldn't give a percentage

but it seems likely. Why is MBS turning anti-American all of a sudden?

[FifthColumn]

30. Future deals

Because the President is now a Democrat. He wants another, easily bribed Republican to win the next election.

[raccoon]

48. Dah winnah! Nt

[Atticus]

8. Do fat boys like cake? nt

[Walleye]

9. I make the odds about three to one that he did. I mean, why wouldn't he?

[Scrivener7]

10. Yup.

[leftyladyfrommo]

12. He did something worth 2 billion. What else is worth

that kind of money?

And Kushner pulled completely away from Trump after that.

[patphil]

19. I agree, the Saudi's are profit motivated. They don't do things for free.

Just like Trump's "quid pro quo" offer to Zelensky. I think it may have been related to the purging of enemies that went on back then...just a little helpful information to ID enemies of the Saudi ruler.

[wildman76]

13. Very likely, the rot of corruption went international

[dchill]

14. There is NO OTHER EXPLANATION.

[FakeNoose]

15. Of course he did

It got him out of the "Big Lie" mess, which he KNEW would become even messier. Also it was his last chance to grab any dough from MBS before Chump was out of office. That's why he hopped on a plane and flew over to Saudi right around Christmas time. Came back from Saudi a billionaire, two-times over.

[Heather MC]

16. A better question is who would give Jared $2 billion dollars for nothing?

You just don't hand somebody 2 million dollars without expecting something from it.

2 billion dollars has strings attached let's be honest hell sometimes $5 can have strings attached.

[gademocrat7]

17. Very likely

He is a treasonous greedy weasel.

[ms liberty]

18. A near certainty. n/t

[Roy Rolling]

20. Entertain This Possibility

Someone smarter than Kushner has been watching him since 2016 security clearance failures.

If they haven’t been watching him then they are derelict in their duty.

Then the only question is, “accidental or deliberate?”

Regardless, here is a binary choice. It can’t be both.

[Fiendish Thingy]

21. To be accurate, Kushner did NOT get $2B personally

The Saudis provided $2B as start up capital for his new investment fund.

Of course, Jared certainly could skim a percentage off the top as “management fees”, but that $2B is not his money personally.

It’s very likely that the Saudis got something in return for their investment, but rather than guess, it would be better to know for sure. Biden should instruct the IC to make this a priority. I know there is already a team at work assessing the actual damage done from Trump’s espionage crimes, but that’s more for criminal prosecution purposes, and the US needs to know just how badly it’s intelligence capabilities have been compromised.

[allegorical oracle]

31. This is Wikipedia's account of Jared's investment firm. Still sounds weird, imho...

Within the Trump administration, Kushner had been a staunch defender of Saudi ruler Mohammed bin Salman.[6] In 2021, Kushner started an investment firm, Affinity Partners. He sought funds for the new company through the sovereign wealth funds of Gulf countries.[191][192] Advisers for the Public Investment Fund, the Saudi government's sovereign wealth fund, expressed several concerns about the transaction—including the inexperience of Affinity management, the degree of risk to be assumed by the Saudi kingdom, an "excessive" management fee, and a finding that Affinity's operations were "unsatisfactory in all aspects". However, PIF management overruled them and invested $2 billion in Kushner's firm, only six months after Kushner had left the White House.[6] The firm primarily depended on Saudi money, as, by April 2022, it only had $2.5 billion under its management.[6] According to ethics experts, the investment created the appearance of potential payback for Kushner.[6] The House Oversight Committee said on June 2, 2022 that it had opened an investigation into whether Kushner had traded on his government position to get the deal.[193]

The fund plans to invest Saudi money into startup companies in Israel. According to the Wall Street Journal, "The decision marks the first known instance that the Saudi Public Investment Fund’s cash will be directed to Israel, a sign of the kingdom’s increasing willingness to do business with the country, even though they have no diplomatic relations."[194]

(boldface emphasis mine)

[mrsadm]

22. 100%

I think it very likely

[Ford_Prefect]

23. Along with arranging weapons and nuke sales, you bet he did.

He should be arrested on sight just for suspicious activity likely to cause a breach of the peace.

[rubbersole]

24. Jared might have been a middleman to funnel the cash to tfg.

When we find out what for - tfg will be dead or in jail.

[WinstonSmith4740]

25. Never any doubt in my mind.

It certainly wasn't because he is such an investment wizard.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

27. This has to be a payoff because no sane person would trust Jared with this much momey

[SheltieLover]

29. No doubt in my mind

[thomhartmann]

32. I've been saying this for months

both in print and on the air. I’m astonished that nobody else has said so in the mainstream media…

[Picaro]

33. Very high

[paleotn]

36. Since he had near zero experience in private equity....

and there's tons of guys to chose from who have vast experience, but no highly classified government documents, I'd say close to 100%.

[jmowreader]

38. Actually very low

Tradecraft would prohibit it. (Having said that, it's pretty obvious that Kushner was providing information to the Saudis.)

Let's say you're a spy and I'm a spy. You have a Top Secret document you want to give me. Are you going to give your document directly to me? Of course you wouldn't; if counterintelligence people follow you to me and catch us in the act of you giving me the document they've got the both of us. Instead, we are going to set up a network to transfer it. You'll have a guy who gives it to a guy who gives it to a guy who gives it to my guy who passes it through three or four of my guys to me. None of those guys know the entire chain of transmission so if they catch your third-level guy giving it to your fourth-level guy, the only people at risk are your second-level guy and my fourth-level guy.

I figure that whoever MBS is working for provided $2B for Kushner and another $2B for Trump, who as the boss of the Sixth Family was entitled to a cut of whatever Kushner brought in - and knowing Trump he'd want half.

[DENVERPOPS]

39. Perfect place for a direct swap

would be a phony golf tournament, sponsored for free by the Saudi Royal Family at at U.S. Trump Golf Course........oh wait, they already did that, I forgot.......

[jmowreader]

40. You'd use a dead drop for that

Let’s say you were a spy and I was a spy and you wanted to pass me some classified documents at the golf course you own during a golf tournament I set up. Well…instead of handing me the documents, maybe you’d put them in a dresser drawer in my room before I checked in.

[DENVERPOPS]

44. Mr. Trump

wouldn't be anywhere near that smart.........LOL

[Hugin]

51. Trump's MO seems to be separating the money exchange (and himself) from the transfer...

Of “the product”.

Hypothetically speaking he would throw a bogus golf tournament which the “buyers” fund at a ridiculously high markup. Then Trump’s part is to leave the information in insecure locations for them to “find”. This gives Trump the out of saying, “Well, those naughty people. Who I hardly know. Broke into my personal papers in my safe.” If the transfer is discovered. Exactly like he did with the FBI raid.

This separation of money and information gives him what he considers plausible deniability of any claims that the two actions were orchestrated. Also, he gets the money no matter what.

It is a very clumsy system.

[sarcasmo]

41. How much did the Saudi's pay Trump for the golf tournament at Bedminster?

[grantcart]

42. Your premise is faulty to begin with.

Kushner didn't get $2B

He, like a ton of other investment companies, gets a small sliver of the Saudi Sovereign fund to invest and he gets about $ 2 million a month in fees to invest the $ 2 billion.

I don't know what kind of investment they are making but if they are looking at investing in low capital companies to take to an IPO it is actually very labor intensive. They will do a complete investigation of 100 companies to find 10 that are viable then take those companies apart to pick one.

In any case his funds performance is not part of either the Saudi Government budget or House of Saudi personal funds but rather publicly held and audited Saudi Sovereign funds which are invested in publicly traded companies and are transparent.

If Kushner doesn't bring back a respectable ROI then they will take the $ 2 billion back.

To answer your question there is no chance that the $2 billion asset investment fund is payment for classified secrets because

1) It isn't a payment of $ 2 billion

2) If you are making a payment for a top secret operation you don't do it with funds that are controlled by independent board and broadcast it to the world.

If a purchase of top secret information is made then the payment is equally secret.

[jcgoldie]

45. man

You're no fun at all!

[grantcart]

47. I know, I know. I grew up in strict Goldwater/conservative/bible is literal home

By the time I was 10 all we could talk about was baseball. When I would start to disassemble some inane right wing talking point with actual facts everyone would just stare at the ceiling. After minutes of silence I would say "Well the Dodgers had a great night".

[Samrob]

46. I only hope it can be proven. nt

[Xoan]

49. A certainty

[Bucky]

53. Honestly, Kushner was so cautious and so out of step with the WH pro-Putinextremists

I would be very surprised if he got his hands dirty directly selling secrets to the Saudis. He might have been an unwitting courier, bringing home the deal that paid for the docs, but actual delivery of the intel to the Saudis or the Russians would probably be the work of Mike Flynn or one of his fanatical underlings.

Or there might have been some Jesusy Secret Service agent on Trump's personal detail who gets all swoony at the thought of a red-blooded defender of traditional Christianity like Vladimir Putin putting one over on Biden, the atheist baby killer communist.

[niyad]

54. 150%

[Hekate]

55. Is the Pope Catholic? Does a bear poop in the woods?