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LaMouffette

(2,031 posts)
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 02:09 PM Oct 2022

Could Speaker Pelosi sue Trump for reckless endangerment for sending the armed mob to the Capitol?

Don't know how the law works, but a quick googling showed that a conviction could lead to up to seven years in prison.

Plenty of codefendants to throw into the mix, too: Fox News, Steve Bannon, Roger Stone, Michael Flynn, Facebook, Twitter . . . too many to list.

Would also love to see her punch him in the face, too.

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Could Speaker Pelosi sue Trump for reckless endangerment for sending the armed mob to the Capitol? (Original Post) LaMouffette Oct 2022 OP
Turnabout is fair play. Tetrachloride Oct 2022 #1
If anyone can exact justice from that POS, it's Nancy Pelosi. LaMouffette Oct 2022 #10
Aren't there... 2naSalit Oct 2022 #2
I forgot that! Good! I hope their suits are successful. You would think everyone there would be able LaMouffette Oct 2022 #6
Doubtful as to a civil suit. Impossible as to a criminal case. rsdsharp Oct 2022 #3
One Can Sue Over Just About Anything ProfessorGAC Oct 2022 #12
My comment was directed toward the likelihood of success. rsdsharp Oct 2022 #14
On That, We Agree Completely ProfessorGAC Oct 2022 #16
Suing and criminal prosecution are two completely different things. Ocelot II Oct 2022 #4
Thanks for the information! I guess I was thinking more along the lines of criminal prosecution. LaMouffette Oct 2022 #7
Trump sent people to kill Pence and Pelosi. But they have no recourse? Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #5
Exactly! And why unscrupulous people like Trump are able to gleefully take advantage of the system. LaMouffette Oct 2022 #8
I keep saying: Trump was a one man audit of the entire US government. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #9
You nailed it! For the past five years, I've had this wild fantasy that this was all a hoax, LaMouffette Oct 2022 #11
If the Trump years had been a novel or movie, no one would have believed it. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #13
Bernie Thomson, Eric Swalwell and a group of Capital Police have already filed such suits LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2022 #15
Excellent. May the lawsuits rain down upon him till he wheezes out his last "Witch hunt!" LaMouffette Oct 2022 #17

Tetrachloride

(7,844 posts)
1. Turnabout is fair play.
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 02:20 PM
Oct 2022

Speaker Pelosi plays a whole fleet of poker hands.

and now the chips on the table are going up.

It will happen.

LaMouffette

(2,031 posts)
10. If anyone can exact justice from that POS, it's Nancy Pelosi.
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 03:24 PM
Oct 2022

She is truly a force to be reckoned with, which is why Trump despises her. But of course, he hates all strong women.

LaMouffette

(2,031 posts)
6. I forgot that! Good! I hope their suits are successful. You would think everyone there would be able
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 03:10 PM
Oct 2022

to do the same, as private citizens, but I don't know beans about the law, especially when it comes to elected officials and their rights to sue other elected officials.

rsdsharp

(9,180 posts)
3. Doubtful as to a civil suit. Impossible as to a criminal case.
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 02:27 PM
Oct 2022

Neither she as Speaker, nor the House as a whole has criminal enforcement authority.

ProfessorGAC

(65,044 posts)
12. One Can Sue Over Just About Anything
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 03:36 PM
Oct 2022

A judge might toss it out on first review or a jury might laugh one out of court.
But, suits for reckless endangerment do occur.

rsdsharp

(9,180 posts)
14. My comment was directed toward the likelihood of success.
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 03:49 PM
Oct 2022

Anyone CAN sue civilly for anything, if they are willing to risk sanctions. No private citizen has the right to institute a criminal action.

ProfessorGAC

(65,044 posts)
16. On That, We Agree Completely
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 03:54 PM
Oct 2022

Lots of suits get filed that have no chanc3of succeeding.
Waste of court resources.

Ocelot II

(115,706 posts)
4. Suing and criminal prosecution are two completely different things.
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 02:35 PM
Oct 2022

To sue TFG in a civil case (that is, make a claim for money damages against TFG as an individual for inflicting harm), she would first have to get around various defenses that pertain to government officials, like sovereign immunity, discretionary immunity of government officials, and the Westfall Act, a statute that allows the government to take over the defense of a government employee. I some of the injured police officers have filed claims against TFG for their injuries, and a judge has already ruled that TFG is not entitled to claim immunity because did his actions "did not fall into the “outer perimeter” of official presidential responsibilities because they were “entirely concern[ed] with his efforts to remain in office for a second term.” However, it remains to be seen whether a jury would find that TFG's actions were the proximate cause of the officers' injuries and that those injuries were not the result entirely of the actions of others (intervening or superseding causes).

As far as criminal cases go, those are already in the works - but they are not under the control of the J6 Committee, which does not have a prosecution function or powers, and are not the same as a civil claim for damages. However, a verdict against TFG in a criminal case could be used to support a verdict in a civil case involving the same actions that constituted the crime.

LaMouffette

(2,031 posts)
7. Thanks for the information! I guess I was thinking more along the lines of criminal prosecution.
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 03:16 PM
Oct 2022

As usual, the Slobfather (as Malaise would say!), sent others (the armed mob) to do his dirty work so that he could have plausible deniability for whatever happened as a result of his inciting the mob to violence. But he so deserves to do hard time. It's a miracle that more people didn't die that day.

Irish_Dem

(47,100 posts)
5. Trump sent people to kill Pence and Pelosi. But they have no recourse?
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 02:53 PM
Oct 2022

This is why our criminal justice system looks weak and foolish.

LaMouffette

(2,031 posts)
11. You nailed it! For the past five years, I've had this wild fantasy that this was all a hoax,
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 03:32 PM
Oct 2022

the Trump presidency, I mean, and that Hillary was really the president this whole time, working behind the scenes and fulfilling all her presidential duties and keeping the country safe and that Trump had been hired (as the reality-show actor he is) to play the role of the worst, most amoral, most corrupt president in US history. Why? To demonstrate how the whole country could go off the rails if someone like him had ever been elected. And to expose all the weaknesses in the system and Constitutional loopholes that a worst-ever president could exploit. Kind of like a cautionary tale.

And then, at the end of the four years, there would be a "big reveal" and everyone would be elated that Trump was never really president . . .

And then I woke up.

Irish_Dem

(47,100 posts)
13. If the Trump years had been a novel or movie, no one would have believed it.
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 03:38 PM
Oct 2022

Yes it has all been like a surreal nightmare.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,264 posts)
15. Bernie Thomson, Eric Swalwell and a group of Capital Police have already filed such suits
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 03:54 PM
Oct 2022

These plaintiffs are suing under the KKK Act. TFG has lost several motions to dismiss these lawsuits.

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