If TFG is indicted and there is a plea deal,

[no_hypocrisy]

one condition that would be non-negotiable is that he can't run for or hold office again. Would that be constitutional if he isn't convicted on insurrection?

[karynnj]

1. Not a lawyer, but what if the plea deal admits to insurrection?

I think a plea deal must include admissions of guilt. What Trump would get is no indictment, no trial and no prison. That is a big deal if, as it looks, there is a solid case. For that, the DOJ ask has to be a CLEAR dtatement of what was done, with penalties for backtracking, and a. Written agreement that this makes him ineligible to run.

[no_hypocrisy]

2. Thanks. If it stands up and even SCOTUS can't nullify it,

I'm good.

I think that's how this whole morass will conclude.

[grantcart]

28. The first indictment is almost certainly going to be on state charges in Georgia

Any guilty plea would have to have a allocution to the crime in court and under oath.

In lieu of prison he could face home confinement and restrictions of visitors.

[karynnj]

31. Thanks for the info

[gab13by13]

3. There must be a trial,

Trump must be found guilty by jurors. If he is sentenced to home confinement that is fine with me because I do not believe he will be able to abide by home confinement. Not indicting and convicting someone who is trying to this day to overthrow our government, who stole and probably sold government top secret documents sets a really bad precedent.

The suggestion of a plea deal is a slap in the face to those law enforcement people who defended our Capitol and to the families of those who died.

Donald Trump is a monster who needs to be held accountable.

[Tetrachloride]

5. Piling on.

Trial is essential. Public humiliation.

then his children.

and Magats in Congress, the Secret Service .

[sop]

7. There must be real accountability, not some bullshit plea deal to mollify his terrorist base.

Trump must be charged and vigorously prosecuted for his crimes. If he chooses to plead guilty to avoid a public trial and long prison sentence, he must confess all his crimes before the court and apologize to the entire country before any deals are considered.

[Irish_Dem]

16. Does the DOJ want a trial? Does Trump want a trial?

[grantcart]

26. I agree on the sedition charges but I expect he will agree to a plea on the Georgia charges

He would have to allocute to the crime. I would guess that they would agree to home confinement.

This will be the first prosecution and they have him dead to rights with the phone call for interference of election results.

Willis may go for a more serious RICO charge which she has done in other non Mafia cases.

She is likely to indict in December, the federal investigations are still a long way off.

[Lovie777]

4. Indictment followed by ......

shithole shriveling up and begging for mercy while his minion scream for blood.

[scarletlib]

6. Also permanent retirement from the public sphere. No rallies, no speeches, no fundraising, etc.

He would need to be completely neutered in public/political sphere. Probably never happen.

[Irish_Dem]

15. I agree, I would like to see a STFU order as part of any plea deal.

[Auggie]

8. The other scenario: No plea, and he flees to Russia or the Middle East

In exchange for sanctuary he continues to undermine American Democracy.

[Irish_Dem]

14. Yes but he does much more damage if he stays in the US.

Saudi, Russia and China want him to stay in the US and continue to destroy the US.

But I hear you, as a last resort he could flee.

I just don't think he could stand losing his adoring cult here.

[Auggie]

18. Yes as a last resort. He'll play the martyr.

And it's looking to me like that will be the case unless a deplorable is elected POTUS in 2024 and pardons him. He might even use that as a campaign tactic. Not as a candidate, but for DeSantis (or whomever).

[Irish_Dem]

22. I agree, fleeing the jurisdiction is on the list of possibilities.

And yes he will milk it with a dramatic martyr display.

But first he will exhaust his usual legal warfare tactics.

Absolutely, good point. He would make a deal with the POTUS candidate: I will back you in return for a full pardon.

[sop]

19. Putin could grant him Russian citizenship, like Edward Snowden.

[Auggie]

21. Exactly. I think he'd go to the Middle East though.

[wnylib]

24. Well that could be interesting.

Imagine him grabbing unknown women in public in Saudi Arabia.

[grantcart]

25. Abu Dhabi. Not to undermine American Democracy but it is a big business there to offer homes

to deposed disgraced world leaders.

He would need to off shore a couple of hundred million, which I am sure he has already done.

[Auggie]

34. It's the perfect place for him. TFG thinks he's a monarch.

[Girard442]

9. Pragmatically, a plea deal can't possibly work.

Trump will not abide by any terms. He just won't. He has to be physically coerced.

[Irish_Dem]

17. Usually if you don't keep the deal you go to jail.

But Trump knows he will never go to jail.

So yes how do we enforce the deal?

[Girard442]

20. Actually putting him in jail would convince him.

[Irish_Dem]

23. Trump going to jail is low probability.

I think house arrest is the most we could hope for.
But that is also unlikely.

But I would love to be wrong.

[grantcart]

29. Oh it definitely could work. A conviction with a prison sentence that is suspended with

an extended period of probation, any violation of probation would result in actual prison.

Also in lieu of prison he could be sentenced to strict home confinement with no visitors.

[lark]

10. tfg will not honor any deal.

Justice Dept. should know that - he is nothing but a liar and a cheat. I want him convicted on the documents charges because that auto excludes a person from ever holding office again.

I just have to wonder will SCOTUS uphold this or go full on fascist? I hope I get to see what they do if tfg is indicted!

[Johnny2X2X]

11. He will not keep his end of the deal

Watch. He’ll agree to a plea that includes not running again but then he’ll violate it and then fight it in court while he runs.

[Irish_Dem]

13. Yes he could claim he was "forced" to sign the deal and go back to court.

[Irish_Dem]

12. We can probably assume Trump will sue/appeal after he signs any plea deal?

That is how he rolls.

[grantcart]

27. Plea deals stipulate that the defendant gives up the right to appeal

[Irish_Dem]

30. That's the first thing he will appeal.

[grantcart]

32. You can't appeal it.

"The most common case is when the defendant is convicted as the result of a plea agreement. One of the hallmarks of the plea agreement is that the defendant waives his or her right to appeal"

[Irish_Dem]

33. Trump believes he does not have to follow any rules or law.

People keep saying "Trump cannot do this or that" because it is against the law.
But he goes ahead and does it.

[Brainfodder]

35. My only remaining thoughts on TFG revolve around how soon does his body give out?

The no shame clown train is so desperate they have literal idiots in and running for congress.

All for keeping the status quo because it made all their donors donor class?

ON THE NOSE!

I'm for poorer rich people is what I am trying to say?