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(14,425 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,660 posts)and I'm not convinced that American Jews as a group are really all that worried about the fate of Israel, the modern state. Sure, there are very vocal and influencial supporters of an Israel teetering close to the far RW populism-one might call it neo-fascism-floating around the world these days, but I don't think that that support is universal among everyday citizens of the Jewish faith.
trump, as usual, tries to cover his ignorance with braggadocio and gaslighting while feeding his shrinking base the usual red meat clickbait. Sadly, he'll suck some more money out of his minions.
agingdem
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if we dont accept Jesus as our savior..someone should tell those good Christians we dont believe in a hell or heaven per se..we make our hell/heaven here on earth..as for a benevolent God I have a problem with the concept of a god, any god my parents were Holocaust survivors (Auschwitz) but I might come around if the earth should open and swallow Trump whole so that we may never see or hear from that depraved miscreant again
Girard442
(6,075 posts)Zorro
(15,740 posts)sent to a California mission to convert the local indians, who, barely clothed on a particularly cold winter day, heard about the fires of hell and demanded to be sent there immediately.
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)Hey Dump
. FWIW Israelíes dont vote in US.
I support you running for PM in Israel. Please proceed.
rubbersole
(6,691 posts)mucifer
(23,545 posts)Like log cabin republicans.
Bet you anything the Jews who do vote for him totally agree with what he said.
genxlib
(5,528 posts)They are actually willing to indict their leaders.
sakabatou
(42,152 posts)David__77
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LetMyPeopleVote
(145,264 posts)Much of the support from evangelicals is based on the belief the existence of Jewish state is necessary for the rapture. Jews are aware of this belief system and are happy to accept any and all support that they can get to keep Israel intact.
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TFG is stupid if he thinks that he can threaten American Jews into supporting him.
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Mosby
(16,313 posts)Because that's where their Jewish Messiah was born and raised.
You know, the Jews homeland. Where everything in the Bible happened.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,264 posts)Among Jews it is no secret as to why many right-wing religious groups support Israel
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https://www.rawstory.com/2019/02/apocalypse-another-disturbing-reason-behind-right-wings-pro-israel-obsession/
These are the folks who believe that there will be a millennium in the future, a golden age, where Christ reigns on Earth, [and] they believe that before Christ will return, there will be a tribulation where Christ defeats evil, she said. There will be natural disasters and wars, and perhaps an Antichrist, as the book of Revelations notes. Then at the end of that period, the people of the Mosaic covenant, including the Jews, will convert. Then after their conversion, the great millennium starts.
She continued: You have this group of people looking around for signs of the end time, and in the 20th century when Israel was founded, this was seen as a major sign. This was electrifying for that community because the gathering of all the Jews in exile to the Holy Land is a prerequisite for all of these events unfolding. So for the subset of evangelicals in the 20th century, support for Israel became a really, really important political position.
And as evangelical Christianity grew into a central part of the GOPs coalition, pro-Israel policies became cemented in the partys ideology.
The alliance between the evangelicals and pro-Israeli Jews, though, is a peculiar partnership. The Christians enter into the bargain with the assumption that, when they reach their goal of the apocalypse, any Jews will either become Christians or go to hell. But their pro-Israel allies dont seem to mind this much, perhaps because they dont believe this version of the apocalypse will ever actually come to be and as long as it is just a fantasy, their interests and those of evangelicals remain aligned.
Jews and supporters of Israel are aware of the reason why these religious nut jobs are supporting Israel. Israel needs all of the help it can get and so plays on and uses these religious nut jobs.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,264 posts)TFG's feelings were hurt when 75% of American Jews voted for Joe Biden
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https://www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-jews-2658460458/
"Well, and again, I mean, even the fine line, Jews need to basically 'get their act together before it's too late,' is obviously deeply disturbing because it's not sending a dog whistle -- it's an out and out threat," Scarborough interjected.
"The thing is, there were some observers that said, as always, it's not about Jews in Israel, it's not about Jews in America, it's always about Donald Trump," he continued. "He's still smarting by the fact that over three out of four Jews in America voted for Joe Biden, so there are people close to him that suggest that still rankles him that he got beaten so badly among Jewish voters in America."
He then added, "But to do that, and say basically they better get their act together before it's too late, sounds ominous. It sounds ominous like saying that [Senate Minority Leader] Mitch McConnell has a quote 'death wish'."
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,264 posts)jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)Bye Felicia!