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Botany

(70,510 posts)
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 12:02 PM Oct 2022

I think JD Vance just cost himself the election ... lots of Ukrainians in OH

Last edited Sun Nov 6, 2022, 04:52 PM - Edit history (2)




Good to see that Putin and JD Vance are on the same page.

He said that Zelenskyy should cut a deal with Putin and give him some land. And something to the
effect Biden and Zelenskyy forced Russia to attack Ukraine.


Parma, OH will not be happy w/ J.D..
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I think JD Vance just cost himself the election ... lots of Ukrainians in OH (Original Post) Botany Oct 2022 OP
Does he want Alaska to go back to Russia too? LiberalFighter Oct 2022 #1
Mother Fucker does not live in Ohio either. He lives somewhere around the bay area Botany Oct 2022 #2
He is not from Ohio...just and equity guy from California...and orginally from WVA... Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #3
No he does not. Diamond_Dog Oct 2022 #6
I don't think that's correct leftieNanner Oct 2022 #9
He was born in Middletown Ohio Maeve Oct 2022 #10
Sure, let's just appease - cilla4progress Oct 2022 #4
Trump said Vance was his a--kisser. No surprise he'd be Putin's too. Ohioboy Oct 2022 #14
Yet plenty of dumb Ohioans will vote for him Diamond_Dog Oct 2022 #5
Because he has an (R) next to his name. Only reason. n/t aggiesal Oct 2022 #34
Traitor, liar, carpetbagger dalton99a Oct 2022 #7
Because GOP/trumpies/Tankies think Biden is going to start WW3 nt maryellen99 Oct 2022 #8
I hoe so samplegirl Oct 2022 #11
I never bought his self serving shit from the day his Hillbilly Elegy hit the stands maxrandb Oct 2022 #12
Is that why so many conservative thinkers are coming out as pro-incest lately? plimsoll Oct 2022 #13
Probably cause the number of women wanting to date a Red Hat is dropping.... TheRealNorth Oct 2022 #15
They are defending their hardline abortion stance of excluding incest as a legal reason for abortion Midnight Writer Oct 2022 #22
I bought that book to see what it was all about. I didn't waste my time finishing it. Lonestarblue Oct 2022 #17
If there's one positive about that book, it led me to read others that know more... tenderfoot Oct 2022 #26
Thank you. Excellent read. Lonestarblue Oct 2022 #28
It's like they intentionally try to take the wrong issue on everything. Initech Oct 2022 #16
So he doesn't live in Ohio. He is just like the sleazy Oz who has 9 homes, everywhere except Pa. Pepsidog Oct 2022 #18
The appease the bully mentality makes me sick. SoBlueInFL Oct 2022 #19
This is the side that every scient being should be on. Botany Oct 2022 #20
Very true & thank you! SoBlueInFL Oct 2022 #24
Ever heard of a place called the Sudetenland, Mr. Vance? heckles65 Oct 2022 #21
That's the latest talking point...that Biden and Zelenskyy forced Putin to attack. patphil Oct 2022 #23
I guarantee you it won't impact German Catholic votes maxsolomon Oct 2022 #25
You're correct about the German Catholic voters there in Ohio ... LenaBaby61 Oct 2022 #29
The Man With No Brain dai13sy Oct 2022 #33
Those votes are gone anyway .... 'cept for all those good German Catholic who have gotten abortions Botany Oct 2022 #36
I only know ex-Catholics like that. maxsolomon Oct 2022 #40
Oh, good grief. Warpy Oct 2022 #27
For post 1,111 GreenWave Oct 2022 #30
1,111 is good luck! Now you are on your way to 2,222! MLAA Oct 2022 #32
Okay People dai13sy Oct 2022 #31
Rum, Romanism, and Rebellion moment? AZLD4Candidate Oct 2022 #35
I actually agree with him COL Mustard Oct 2022 #37
Some of the, ok most of the GOP candidates are in lockstep with the Don and afraid of their base. Evolve Dammit Oct 2022 #38
Won't Make Any Difference DallasNE Oct 2022 #39
DUers, please spread this in Ohio, Penn, and Wisconsin. blm Oct 2022 #41

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
3. He is not from Ohio...just and equity guy from California...and orginally from WVA...
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 12:09 PM
Oct 2022

He doesn't understand the state.

leftieNanner

(15,114 posts)
9. I don't think that's correct
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 12:29 PM
Oct 2022

I just spoke to a friend who grew up in Ohio. She said that he comes from the same town. His book was about that.

Wouldn't be surprised if he lives elsewhere now, though.

Maeve

(42,282 posts)
10. He was born in Middletown Ohio
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 12:39 PM
Oct 2022

And went to OSU but no, he doesn't understand the state.

BTW, his middle name is Donald.

Ohioboy

(3,243 posts)
14. Trump said Vance was his a--kisser. No surprise he'd be Putin's too.
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 12:56 PM
Oct 2022

I guess this is just Vance being consistent.

maxrandb

(15,330 posts)
12. I never bought his self serving shit from the day his Hillbilly Elegy hit the stands
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 12:44 PM
Oct 2022

Sometimes, when your grandmother sets your grandfather on fire, it's not because of "economic anxiety", it's just a reflection of the family values your fucked up family always fostered.

TheRealNorth

(9,481 posts)
15. Probably cause the number of women wanting to date a Red Hat is dropping....
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 01:01 PM
Oct 2022

So they have to look inside the family.

Lonestarblue

(9,998 posts)
17. I bought that book to see what it was all about. I didn't waste my time finishing it.
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 01:23 PM
Oct 2022

I quit about a quarter of the way into it. Utter drivel.

tenderfoot

(8,437 posts)
26. If there's one positive about that book, it led me to read others that know more...
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 01:55 PM
Oct 2022

seeing that they - unlike Vance - were born, raised and still live there.

Check out this guy's essay from 2017:

https://www.jwilkey.com/post/my-mother-wasn-t-trash

Judging from the emails I have received in the past few days, a good many people are interested in the way their own communities and stories are playing out right now to a national audience. They realize that people are listening, it seems, but are unsure that their voices are actually being heard. At least a fourth of the folks who have reached out since I published "Blessed are the White Trash" have asked how I feel about J. D. Vance's bestselling book Hillbilly Elegy. This book has, for many Americans, become their primary source of information about Appalachian culture and poverty. The short answer is that I disagree with both Vance's conclusions and his methodology. As I told a group of my students recently, I am heartbroken that Hillbilly Elegy will likely be the most popular and important book about Appalachia in a generation.

Vance writes: "I don't know what the answer is, precisely, but I know it starts when we stop blaming Obama or Bush or faceless companies and ask ourselves what we can do to make things better" (256). While this is not blatant victim-blaming, it comes close. This line of reasoning promotes the individualistic philosophy so prominent among those on the political right in the US. It sounds like it came directly from the pen of Ayn Rand. It calls for a bootstraps-up set of solutions for people who lack boots. It calls on poor people to fix their own problems by changing their culture. Vance calls it a "culture in crisis." What his book lacks, however, is the important historical and economic context that explains how Appalachia came to be impoverished. While he is critical of Appalachian culture, he doesn't bother to find out how it came to be as it is.

For generations, first with timber and coal and later with tourism, Appalachia has served as a sort of internal colony for the rest of the United States. People with no desire to live here came to pillage and plunder. They cheated Appalachian people out of their land and their resources, their dignity and their humanity. In central Appalachia, coal companies engaged in ruthless and ethically bankrupt tactics like using the broad form deed. They moved people into coal camps where they paid them poorly and forced them to buy everything from the overpriced company store. They were compelled to work and remain silent or become homeless. In southern Appalachia, timber barons came for the lumber. They clear-cut the mountains and left environmental and economic devastation in their wake. In both instances, Appalachian people were transformed from independent farmers and craftspeople into laborers treated like nothing more than replaceable parts. They were deprived of their resources, and the profit most certainly didn't flow back into their communities. Today, all that remains in much of Appalachia are minimum wage service jobs. In the more touristy parts of the region, the people whose ancestors once thrived in these mountains now serve sweet tea and fried chicken to the vacationing descendants of those whose communities and wealth were built in part with the resources extracted from Appalachia.

In the United States, our approach to solving Appalachian poverty doesn't differ substantially from our approach to solving African poverty. In both cases, outsiders came in to exploit resources and left generations of poverty in their wake. While the process was substantially more extreme, racist, and violent in Africa, in both cases conservative political leaders think those left behind economically should just make better decisions and stop being poor. That approach will not work in either instance. Neither will sending food and secondhand clothing. And don't even get me started on the idiotic and theologically-flawed thinking that leads fundamentalist Christians to think they can solve poverty by evangelizing the poor folk.

heckles65

(549 posts)
21. Ever heard of a place called the Sudetenland, Mr. Vance?
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 01:38 PM
Oct 2022

Give a slice, dictators will come back for more.

patphil

(6,180 posts)
23. That's the latest talking point...that Biden and Zelenskyy forced Putin to attack.
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 01:42 PM
Oct 2022

Rapists always like to blame the victim.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
25. I guarantee you it won't impact German Catholic votes
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 01:54 PM
Oct 2022

in SW Ohio one iota.

They'll never hear about it. Vance has an R after his name, and Democrats kill babies.

LenaBaby61

(6,974 posts)
29. You're correct about the German Catholic voters there in Ohio ...
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 02:13 PM
Oct 2022

A friend lives SW Ohio, and she told me that those people are so stupid and ignorant. She told me that they're like the people who still vote for and support the walking embodiment of ALL of the Seven Deadly Sins Herschel Walker, who is a fetus murderer. I guess he's their fetus murderer and that's okay, because he's got an R next to his name (and scrambled eggs for brains)

dai13sy

(336 posts)
33. The Man With No Brain
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 02:37 PM
Oct 2022

I'm sure that's the reason Trump picked him - the scrambled eggs for brains thing

Botany

(70,510 posts)
36. Those votes are gone anyway .... 'cept for all those good German Catholic who have gotten abortions
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 02:45 PM
Oct 2022

There are lots of them and something like 70% of people in OH support a women's right
to choose.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
40. I only know ex-Catholics like that.
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 03:20 PM
Oct 2022

Not my extended family, most of whom are practicing German Catholics and staunch Republicans.

Warpy

(111,267 posts)
27. Oh, good grief.
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 02:04 PM
Oct 2022

OK, he's lost their vote along with the votes of anyone out there who knows who and what Putin is and how negotiating with a madman never works out for anyone.

People have to start to come out and identify these loons for what they really are: PRO RUSSIAN.

I know I'm not terribly polite any more, "Are you voting for the Democrat or the Russian?"

COL Mustard

(5,897 posts)
37. I actually agree with him
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 03:02 PM
Oct 2022

There should be negotiations to end the war. The terms should start with Russia leaving all Ukrainian territory, and then we can start talking about reparations.

Evolve Dammit

(16,736 posts)
38. Some of the, ok most of the GOP candidates are in lockstep with the Don and afraid of their base.
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 03:06 PM
Oct 2022

What could go wrong? Got a bad feeling about the next couple years, but maybe just gas that will pass?
Fly the Ukrainian flag every day. Between that and Taiwan, we are heading for some serious military involvement. We are watching mass war crimes in Ukraine and Xi will do the same in Taiwan, if allowed.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
39. Won't Make Any Difference
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 03:12 PM
Oct 2022

Call Vance an isolationist in the mold of Neville Chamberlain and he responds will be warmonger.. And the follow will be "didn't he play basketball"?

blm

(113,063 posts)
41. DUers, please spread this in Ohio, Penn, and Wisconsin.
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 03:40 PM
Oct 2022

They have significant Ukrainian and Polish communities who will vote against Pro-Putin candidates. Spread in online communities.

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