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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI think JD Vance just cost himself the election ... lots of Ukrainians in OH
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Link to tweet
Good to see that Putin and JD Vance are on the same page.
He said that Zelenskyy should cut a deal with Putin and give him some land. And something to the
effect Biden and Zelenskyy forced Russia to attack Ukraine.
Parma, OH will not be happy w/ J.D..
LiberalFighter
(50,942 posts)Botany
(70,510 posts)Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)He doesn't understand the state.
Diamond_Dog
(32,002 posts)You want Pure Ohio, Ryans your guy.
leftieNanner
(15,114 posts)I just spoke to a friend who grew up in Ohio. She said that he comes from the same town. His book was about that.
Wouldn't be surprised if he lives elsewhere now, though.
Maeve
(42,282 posts)And went to OSU but no, he doesn't understand the state.
BTW, his middle name is Donald.
cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)how'd that work out for the world last time dumbshit carpet-bagger?!
Ohioboy
(3,243 posts)I guess this is just Vance being consistent.
Diamond_Dog
(32,002 posts)Because hes got his lips attached to Rumps rear
aggiesal
(8,916 posts)dalton99a
(81,513 posts)maryellen99
(3,789 posts)samplegirl
(11,479 posts)I Ohio
Is doomed with this jackass!
maxrandb
(15,330 posts)Sometimes, when your grandmother sets your grandfather on fire, it's not because of "economic anxiety", it's just a reflection of the family values your fucked up family always fostered.
plimsoll
(1,670 posts)It's kind of weird.
TheRealNorth
(9,481 posts)So they have to look inside the family.
Midnight Writer
(21,768 posts)Lonestarblue
(9,998 posts)I quit about a quarter of the way into it. Utter drivel.
tenderfoot
(8,437 posts)seeing that they - unlike Vance - were born, raised and still live there.
Check out this guy's essay from 2017:
https://www.jwilkey.com/post/my-mother-wasn-t-trash
Vance writes: "I don't know what the answer is, precisely, but I know it starts when we stop blaming Obama or Bush or faceless companies and ask ourselves what we can do to make things better" (256). While this is not blatant victim-blaming, it comes close. This line of reasoning promotes the individualistic philosophy so prominent among those on the political right in the US. It sounds like it came directly from the pen of Ayn Rand. It calls for a bootstraps-up set of solutions for people who lack boots. It calls on poor people to fix their own problems by changing their culture. Vance calls it a "culture in crisis." What his book lacks, however, is the important historical and economic context that explains how Appalachia came to be impoverished. While he is critical of Appalachian culture, he doesn't bother to find out how it came to be as it is.
For generations, first with timber and coal and later with tourism, Appalachia has served as a sort of internal colony for the rest of the United States. People with no desire to live here came to pillage and plunder. They cheated Appalachian people out of their land and their resources, their dignity and their humanity. In central Appalachia, coal companies engaged in ruthless and ethically bankrupt tactics like using the broad form deed. They moved people into coal camps where they paid them poorly and forced them to buy everything from the overpriced company store. They were compelled to work and remain silent or become homeless. In southern Appalachia, timber barons came for the lumber. They clear-cut the mountains and left environmental and economic devastation in their wake. In both instances, Appalachian people were transformed from independent farmers and craftspeople into laborers treated like nothing more than replaceable parts. They were deprived of their resources, and the profit most certainly didn't flow back into their communities. Today, all that remains in much of Appalachia are minimum wage service jobs. In the more touristy parts of the region, the people whose ancestors once thrived in these mountains now serve sweet tea and fried chicken to the vacationing descendants of those whose communities and wealth were built in part with the resources extracted from Appalachia.
In the United States, our approach to solving Appalachian poverty doesn't differ substantially from our approach to solving African poverty. In both cases, outsiders came in to exploit resources and left generations of poverty in their wake. While the process was substantially more extreme, racist, and violent in Africa, in both cases conservative political leaders think those left behind economically should just make better decisions and stop being poor. That approach will not work in either instance. Neither will sending food and secondhand clothing. And don't even get me started on the idiotic and theologically-flawed thinking that leads fundamentalist Christians to think they can solve poverty by evangelizing the poor folk.
Lonestarblue
(9,998 posts)Initech
(100,079 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)SoBlueInFL
(191 posts)Botany
(70,510 posts)BTW welcome to DU!
SoBlueInFL
(191 posts)heckles65
(549 posts)Give a slice, dictators will come back for more.
patphil
(6,180 posts)Rapists always like to blame the victim.
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)in SW Ohio one iota.
They'll never hear about it. Vance has an R after his name, and Democrats kill babies.
LenaBaby61
(6,974 posts)A friend lives SW Ohio, and she told me that those people are so stupid and ignorant. She told me that they're like the people who still vote for and support the walking embodiment of ALL of the Seven Deadly Sins Herschel Walker, who is a fetus murderer. I guess he's their fetus murderer and that's okay, because he's got an R next to his name (and scrambled eggs for brains)
dai13sy
(336 posts)I'm sure that's the reason Trump picked him - the scrambled eggs for brains thing
Botany
(70,510 posts)There are lots of them and something like 70% of people in OH support a women's right
to choose.
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)Not my extended family, most of whom are practicing German Catholics and staunch Republicans.
Warpy
(111,267 posts)OK, he's lost their vote along with the votes of anyone out there who knows who and what Putin is and how negotiating with a madman never works out for anyone.
People have to start to come out and identify these loons for what they really are: PRO RUSSIAN.
I know I'm not terribly polite any more, "Are you voting for the Democrat or the Russian?"
GreenWave
(6,757 posts)This should give Dems cause To say I won x 4.
MLAA
(17,296 posts)dai13sy
(336 posts)Who let JD Vance speak and why was he quoted. There is a big fat zero to see
AZLD4Candidate
(5,696 posts)COL Mustard
(5,897 posts)There should be negotiations to end the war. The terms should start with Russia leaving all Ukrainian territory, and then we can start talking about reparations.
Evolve Dammit
(16,736 posts)What could go wrong? Got a bad feeling about the next couple years, but maybe just gas that will pass?
Fly the Ukrainian flag every day. Between that and Taiwan, we are heading for some serious military involvement. We are watching mass war crimes in Ukraine and Xi will do the same in Taiwan, if allowed.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Call Vance an isolationist in the mold of Neville Chamberlain and he responds will be warmonger.. And the follow will be "didn't he play basketball"?
blm
(113,063 posts)They have significant Ukrainian and Polish communities who will vote against Pro-Putin candidates. Spread in online communities.