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ancianita

(36,060 posts)
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 12:30 PM Oct 2022

Asking lawyers in the house: by my count, Trump broke 17 federal laws -- am I off?

1.
18 U.S. Code 371 conspiracy to defraud the United States/commit federal crime
18 U.S. Code 2384 seditious conspiracy

18 U.S. Code 2383 rebellion or insurrection
18 U.S. Code 1505 obstruction of proceedings

18 U.S. Code 1341, 1343, 1346, 1349 wire fraud

18 U.S. Code 2071 concealment, removal or mutilation of government documents
18 U.S. Code 1519 obstruction of justice; destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in federal investigations and bankruptcy

18 U.S. Chapter 37 Espionage Act
-- Code 793 gathering, transmitting, losing defense information
-- Code 798 disclosure of classified information

18 U.S. Code 1001 lying about status of government documents
18 U.S. Code 1512 tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant

18 U.S. Code 872 extortion by officers or employees
44 U.S. Code Chapter 22 removal of presidential records

2 U.S. Code 192 refusal of witness to testify or produce papers


2.
Only by the court filings will we know under what laws the DOJ will make its cases.
The breadth of evidence is not yet known, so we have to trust AG Garland’s DOJ to lay out the ‘beyond a reasonable doubt’ level evidence for each. Even one piece of evidence, however, is sufficient to indict.
I’m no lawyer, but I'd still guess that given any evidence reported so far, the number charging counts number from a few to the hundreds.

It might or might not just be arduous for a jury to decide the defendant's guilt or innocence of these charges.
It might be that putting a jury together will be an unprecedented difficulty.

Once Trump is charged, at least 30 more people who the Jan 6 Committee said have taken the 5th, can either be charged with these, or with 'aiding and abetting' or ‘accessories after the fact’ under these laws.
Beyond those 30, elected congress people can be charged if there is evidence that they attempted, conspired, or aided and abetted any of these federal crimes.


3.
We know why there will be indictments. Because
-- No one is above the law.
-- A failed coup without consequences becomes a training exercise.

Finally, IMPO, those Republicans who have testified ( Barr, Meadows, the Trump family, etc), and provided evidentiary witness and documents,
and those Republicans who have trashed, threatened, or destroyed those sworn testifiers' reputations
-- they will ALL still vote Republican.
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Asking lawyers in the house: by my count, Trump broke 17 federal laws -- am I off? (Original Post) ancianita Oct 2022 OP
I disagree with #2, I think we have pretty good idea the breadth of evidence is YUGE! Brainfodder Oct 2022 #1
I hear you loud and clear. ancianita Oct 2022 #2
Ultimately, I prefer he be beaten to death by 10 angry Republican women with golf clubs. Brainfodder Oct 2022 #3
Not prison? Why? ancianita Oct 2022 #4
I want the circus OOB A$AP! Brainfodder Oct 2022 #5
I don't see Trump in prison. Metaphorical Oct 2022 #6
I also doubt that TFG would or could serve time in prison LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2022 #7
I believe that AG Garland will be indicting TFG when the time is right LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2022 #8

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
1. I disagree with #2, I think we have pretty good idea the breadth of evidence is YUGE!
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 12:42 PM
Oct 2022

So YUGE he is still roaming free because of it and generating more evidence.



Thanks for the great summary, I won't be surprised if he is arrested at any second in the future.

Tick tock.




ancianita

(36,060 posts)
4. Not prison? Why?
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 01:05 PM
Oct 2022

I can appreciate your sense of humor but imo, we're in the serious zone for at least the next two years. Just sayin'.

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
5. I want the circus OOB A$AP!
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 01:11 PM
Oct 2022


Out of business.

6 years of headlines and $ick $tupidity fueled B$ later, yeah enough of his intru$ion.






Metaphorical

(1,603 posts)
6. I don't see Trump in prison.
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 03:03 PM
Oct 2022

I do see house arrest, and curtailment of any business or political activities, massive fines, and limits on who he can speak to. I can also see exile, especially if he skips out of the country before hand. At that point he becomes someone else's problem.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,291 posts)
7. I also doubt that TFG would or could serve time in prison
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 03:15 PM
Oct 2022

I suspect that TFG will be bankrupted before he is convicted and that he may be forced to cut a deal. If TFG is convicted, the many lawsuits based on the KKK ACT would almost guarantee that TFG would be bankrupted. I suspect that a deal would be reached for home confinement with monitoring for internet and other communications and a ban on serving in public office.

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