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gab13by13

(21,349 posts)
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 07:10 AM Oct 2022

Christopher Wray Needs To be Fired

I did my headline to get your attention. Christopher Wray needs to come before Congress and answer some questions about why he lied to a Senate committee. My opinion that he lied. We have several FBI agents who have been suspended because of showing allegiance to Trump. One in Florida, refused to go on a SWAT raid to arrest a 1/6 insurrectionist. Frank Figliusi said that in all his years at the FBI no one ever deserted his team.

I have copied the first part of Nicolle's segment yesterday, there is more. The FBI is infested with Magats and we need to determine if the biggest Magat sits at the top of the Bureau. Christopher Wray had his FBI agents swarm all over the BLM protest and arrest people on the spot. I hope the IG is investigating the FBI, but I doubt it. I hope that Merrick Garland and Lisa Monaco are looking into this, but I doubt it. If the Magats gain control of Congress maybe they will hold public hearings to find out why the FBI didn't act on 1/6?

https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/watch/frank-figliuzzi-fbi-is-developing-a-crisis-of-credibility-150883397522

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Christopher Wray Needs To be Fired (Original Post) gab13by13 Oct 2022 OP
I agree he needs to be held to immediate account. Do I think he's a MAGAT? No, but he hlthe2b Oct 2022 #1
I think he's a Magat, who knows how to hide it. gab13by13 Oct 2022 #2
Maybe. hlthe2b Oct 2022 #3
I haven't heard Trump criticize him very much? kentuck Oct 2022 #5
He threatened to fire him multiple times and called him the "worst member of his administration. hlthe2b Oct 2022 #17
Wray is a Federalist. wnylib Oct 2022 #14
There needs to be a housecleaning JohnSJ Oct 2022 #4
There is more from Nicolle's program, gab13by13 Oct 2022 #6
The FBI is a big part of the problem. Baitball Blogger Oct 2022 #7
FBI does not do local policing of peeping toms. Thus your ultimate paragraph is flawed, logically.nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2022 #8
What if it's determined that it was him, or that he was close friends with Baitball Blogger Oct 2022 #9
What if you had tossed water into the ferns when it would have done some good? Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2022 #16
I have video. That's evidence. Baitball Blogger Oct 2022 #20
You haven't even examined YOUR video for evidence. It might go against your confirmation bias. nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2022 #21
When did this "walking behind ferns" happen? Doesn't sound like it was this week. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2022 #22
What happened, Paz. Is that you decided to question my pov, Baitball Blogger Oct 2022 #25
"pov" is right. You have not presented facts, just suppositions. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2022 #26
LOL! I assume you'll be the first to read my story, the day I decide Baitball Blogger Oct 2022 #27
"The FBI is a big part of the problem" is a statement I frequently read on Reich Wing sites. Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2022 #12
Not just the FBI The Wizard Oct 2022 #19
Thanks for understanding the gist of the original thread. Baitball Blogger Oct 2022 #28
My guess is that someone in the White House reads Democratic Underground. Stuart G Oct 2022 #10
+1. Even if not directly, it helps. If WH Dems have suspicions, they might be confirmed by DU info Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2022 #24
Sweep 'em out! GreenWave Oct 2022 #11
Any real cop would have locked up perp #1 by sundown on January 6, 2021 Ponietz Oct 2022 #13
This is disturbing to hear. Swede Oct 2022 #15
There is a lot of trash that needs to be removed from the FBI and the Secret Service. .. Handler Oct 2022 #18
When it comes to MAGATs we are playing footsies with fanatical fringe people who want to destroy hadEnuf Oct 2022 #23
Christopher Wray is getting away with doing a lousy job LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2023 #29

hlthe2b

(102,283 posts)
1. I agree he needs to be held to immediate account. Do I think he's a MAGAT? No, but he
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 07:22 AM
Oct 2022

walked the tightrope continually under Trump--always under threat of Trump firing him--that I think he's remained paralyzed to go after these embedded cretins.

gab13by13

(21,349 posts)
2. I think he's a Magat, who knows how to hide it.
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 07:32 AM
Oct 2022

His being a member of the Federalist Society is a giveaway.

hlthe2b

(102,283 posts)
17. He threatened to fire him multiple times and called him the "worst member of his administration.
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 10:08 AM
Oct 2022

Trump reamed out Chris Christie for recommending Chris Wray as FBI director and called Wray 'the worst member of my administration': book
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-called-fbi-director-chris-wray-the-worst-member-of-my-administration-book-2021-11

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/white-house-counsel-s-office-warned-trump-not-fire-chris-n1250956
White House counsel's office warned Trump not to fire Chris Wray

https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-barr-threatened-to-quit-trump-attempts-fire-chris-wray-2021-5
Attorney General Bill Barr threatened to quit last year over Trump's attempts to fire FBI Director Chris Wray

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-wray-biden-barr/2020/10/21/6ce69f02-13b0-11eb-ad6f-36c93e6e94fb_story.html
Trump weighs firing FBI director after election as frustration with Wray, Barr grows


https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-considering-firing-fbi-director-christopher-wray-for-not-helping-his-campaign-says-reportTrump Is Looking to Fire FBI Director Chris Wray for Not Helping His Campaign: Report

gab13by13

(21,349 posts)
6. There is more from Nicolle's program,
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 07:51 AM
Oct 2022

I only posted the front end of the segment. Nicolle had on 3 people who had high ranking jobs at the FBI and all 3 of them soundly criticized Christopher Wray.

It wasn't on her show yesterday, but on another show of hers, that there is no indication that the FBI (DOJ) is prepared for the rat fucking that the Magats are going to try to disrupt the election.

Baitball Blogger

(46,715 posts)
7. The FBI is a big part of the problem.
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 08:32 AM
Oct 2022

Absolutely. They are indoctrinated to keep the status quo happy, even when the status quo is the problem.

We have one in the community that has made some bad moves. From what I have sporadically seen from his family, his wife and kids seem lovely. But he is what I have come to expect from the FBI. In the early days, before we had casual, friendly street encounters with him, he walked up to us when we were laying down edgers in the front yard and said, "You're cheating your landscaper of $200 dollars."

And I said to myself, Oh, this is how these people think. That whole trickle down theory. They think I'm responsible for putting money in the pockets of their buddies Yeah, that would never work for me. I was raised by a father who pulled himself from dirt poverty to solid middle class, and the one thing he taught us was to learn to do things for yourself.

And, I have to review the video to make sure this was the same FBI guy, but I think he's the guy who walked around to the back of the property just after dark, when my husband and i were having barbecue on the patio and the guy sat behind the ferns to do nothing but listen to us. What else would he be doing? The thing is, he thought he was protected by the dark, when in fact is, my cameras can still see movement in twilight. Even better with the upgrade.

Well, even if it wasn't him, the fact that we have FBI in the neighborhood and the usual suspects keep doing the kind of things that good ole boys do without facing consequences, tells me that the FBI is a big part of the problem.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,002 posts)
16. What if you had tossed water into the ferns when it would have done some good?
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 10:03 AM
Oct 2022

"If it is determined that it was him", then notify the local police about a peeping tom. Duh. But it is easier to post accusations about some neighbor and the FBI than it is to ACTUALLY go check your video.

It is easier to rant on a social media site than to actually take action that would deter peeping toms, whether they are FBI peeping toms or J Rando peeping toms. Action like notifying the local police. Which is serious business, much more serious than being illogical on social media. People get charged for wasting police time which is probably why you are ranting about it than actually going to check YOUR video in your possession which you recorded for just such circumstances like this.

You have tried and convicted the whole FBI on the basis of the behaviour of one guy.
Your whole essay was about the one guy.

You have projected onto the FBI the supposed political orientation of the one guy. Perhaps all the guy was trying to do was to break the ice with a wry bit of humour.

You have not verified his orientation in conversation.
You have supposed it.

You have not presented any evidence that his orientation, whatever it might be, is affecting his job.
You have supposed it. Instead you have indulged in wild suppositions and insinuations.

You have taken a dislike to the guy based on your first encounter and you are unable to think logically about the circumstances and the person and you are using it to confirm your bias against the FBI.

Baitball Blogger

(46,715 posts)
20. I have video. That's evidence.
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 10:18 AM
Oct 2022

And what is going on here is above the normal neighbor nuisance. Something extraordinary happened in this community in the nineties with a land development scandal that involved both City insiders and community leaders, and it gave me an opportunity to see how a predominately white culture operates in Central Florida. Everything about this community is geared to protect this network and question the sanity of people who try to expose it.

And, ha! Joke is on you. I tried to get the FBI public corruption unit involved in an investigation of a flagrant abuse of Florida Statutes and they gave it a pass. The FBI woman on the phone complimented me on the evidence, but they said they wouldn't look into it. No surprise given what we are now seeing how stinked up the FBI's agency is today.

By the time this guy walked behind my house and squatted behind the ferns, something I only suspected at the time because it was too dark for the eyes to see, but what I would confirm on the cameras, I had already learned that there was no remedy given the present climate. I knew I had to continue gathering information and wait for the climate to change. And we are now here.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,002 posts)
22. When did this "walking behind ferns" happen? Doesn't sound like it was this week.
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 10:24 AM
Oct 2022

July?

"Joke is on you"? Your post that I replied had nothing about Florida Statutes and I wrote nothing about Florida Statutes and I have nothing to do with Florida Statutes.

You have lost your thread.

Baitball Blogger

(46,715 posts)
25. What happened, Paz. Is that you decided to question my pov,
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 11:07 AM
Oct 2022

using your biased experiences to apply to my life and experiences. And then when you got caught overshooting the situation, you decided that the fault was that I didn't apply a thousand page footnote with information that would have alerted you to your wrongful pov.

It's okay. I know a lot of people who don't know how to change their position when the facts change. Though I generally learn to avoid them.

Baitball Blogger

(46,715 posts)
27. LOL! I assume you'll be the first to read my story, the day I decide
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 11:14 AM
Oct 2022

to publish it.

If you're saying I should post video, you'll have to wait. In your case, expect a paywall.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,002 posts)
12. "The FBI is a big part of the problem" is a statement I frequently read on Reich Wing sites.
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 09:49 AM
Oct 2022

Like you, they are upset that the FBI is keeping the status quo.

They are upset that the FBI is following the rules and obtaining search warrants to search the orange turd's property.

They are upset that the FBI is keeping the status quo by investigating and arresting the peaceful Jan 6 protesters just because some antifa beat a few cops heads in. Oh, and they say the cops deserved it anyway because the peaceful protesters have a right to enter "the people's house".

They are most upset that the FBI has not arrested Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Hunter Biden, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, and Barack Obama.

Perhaps you are upset that only about 700 Jan 6 insurrectionists have been convicted so far but if the figure were 800 you wouldn't be.

The Wizard

(12,545 posts)
19. Not just the FBI
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 10:13 AM
Oct 2022

Right wing extremists have infiltrated all levels of law enforcement and the military. I recall when Proud Boys were assaulting BLM demonstrators and the police refuse to intervene.

Baitball Blogger

(46,715 posts)
28. Thanks for understanding the gist of the original thread.
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 11:17 AM
Oct 2022

The FBI was just a reflection of the hard right conservative movement. It's where they intentionally recruited. Garbage in, garbage out. And it's going to take a dynamic change in philosophy to get it to start representing the interests of the majority.

Stuart G

(38,427 posts)
10. My guess is that someone in the White House reads Democratic Underground.
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 09:46 AM
Oct 2022

Why? Lots of information here. Some of us search all over for information.

This article will make it to the boss in the White House. Just give it time. This is important, and the boss will handle it. Why?
This "BOSS" cares about people and the truth.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,002 posts)
24. +1. Even if not directly, it helps. If WH Dems have suspicions, they might be confirmed by DU info
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 10:31 AM
Oct 2022

... might be confirmed by information provided by DU members and it might result in policy or action.

The simplest solution to bad information is more good information, so I whole-heartedly endorse your post. There are of course other remedies that need to be pursued simultaneously, like teaching critical thinking explicitly and greater civics education.

Ponietz

(2,974 posts)
13. Any real cop would have locked up perp #1 by sundown on January 6, 2021
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 09:50 AM
Oct 2022

Wray and Cannon are of an ilk.

Handler

(336 posts)
18. There is a lot of trash that needs to be removed from the FBI and the Secret Service. ..
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 10:12 AM
Oct 2022

I’m not talking about folks having a different political opinion. This is the difference between our Republic and a fascist state.

hadEnuf

(2,191 posts)
23. When it comes to MAGATs we are playing footsies with fanatical fringe people who want to destroy
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 10:26 AM
Oct 2022

our government and have some fun shooting people they hate while doing it. And their "leader", a former POTUS, is giving them permission to do so. It's that simple and we'd better get that solidly though our heads quickly. There are no negotiations with this element except from a position of overwhelming power on our side. They will understand nothing else.

Any MAGAT who is in a position of any authority or influence in government needs to be defeated, dismissed or investigated and removed. They are enablers of the lunatic fringe of their cult and are basically ticking time bombs.

We really need to stop giving this treacherous and treasonous scum and respect or credibility anywhere.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,288 posts)
29. Christopher Wray is getting away with doing a lousy job
Sat Mar 4, 2023, 02:17 PM
Mar 2023

Wray has been a bad FBI head



https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/03/02/christopher-wray-failure/

The MAGA right thinks FBI Director Christopher A. Wray is some sort of patsy for Democrats. But the problem is not that Wray, a Trump appointee, is showing favoritism to a Democratic administration. It’s that he is not doing his job when it comes to threats from right-wing authoritarianism.

Don’t take my word for it. The Government Accountability Office issued a report this week concerning the performance of multiple agencies and police units regarding the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection. Among its findings: The FBI “did not consistently follow agency policies or procedures for processing tips or potential threats because they did not have controls to ensure compliance with policies.”

The extent to which the FBI was aware of credible threats but did not prepare is breathtaking:

In the weeks preceding the January 6 attack on the Capitol, the FBI obtained information across other sources indicating potential threats. Through human source reporting, investigations, and observed activity, the FBI identified the increasing threat of violence at high profile special events, such as the 2020 election and 2021 presidential inauguration. FBI officials we spoke with said that from December 29, 2020, through January 6, 2021, they tracked domestic terrorism subjects that were traveling to Washington, D.C., and developed reports related to January 6 events. As of January 6, 2021, FBI officials noted that the Washington Field Office was tracking 18 domestic terrorism subjects as potential travelers to the D.C. area.
Other information came directly from social media platforms. From October 1, 2020, through January 5, 2021, officials from the FBI we spoke with said they obtained and reviewed 73 potential domestic terrorism related referrals from one social media platform, and obtained one referral on January 4, 2021, related to potential violence in Washington, D.C. on January 6. In addition, the FBI received information from another social media platform from late November 2020 through January 6, 2021, regarding potential violence at January 6 events.

Once the FBI had that information, it did not act upon it with the urgency required. “FBI personnel did not follow policies for processing some tips, resulting in them not being developed into reports that could have been shared with partners. Specifically, the FBI did not process all relevant information related to potential violence on January 6.”.....

Putting the incidents together — the Jan. 6 debacle, the failure to collect domestic terrorism data and the FBI’s undue resistance to enforcing a subpoena (that ultimately turned up a raft of documents not previously disclosed) — one is left wondering why the FBI seems disinclined to stand up to right-wing authoritarian movements and figures. Whatever the reason, the pattern reveals an unmistakable lack of effective leadership. And that in turn raises the question: Why is Wray still there?
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