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In It to Win It

(8,253 posts)
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 09:31 AM Oct 2022

The U.S. Said It'd Give Billions to Chipmakers Like Intel. Now Come the Layoffs

https://sports.yahoo.com/u-said-d-billions-chipmakers-210702824.html


When a group of semiconductor companies, including Intel Corp., lobbied Congress to pass the $52 billion chip-stimulus bill earlier this year—one of the biggest federal investments in a private industry—they argued in part that the subsidies and tax breaks would protect American jobs.

But now just months before the funding applications open, the nation’s largest semiconductor company is reportedly planning a major reduction in its workforce—yet could still receive billions in federal subsidies. Thousands of Intel employees are expected to be laid off later this month to cut costs amid a steep decline in demand for PC processors, according to Bloomberg. Some divisions, including sales and marketing, could lose 20% of their staff.

Some members of Congress raised these exact concerns during the negotiation process, including Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont, who described the program as a “corporate giveaway.”

“Over the last 20 years, the microchip industry has shut down over 780 manufacturing plants in the United States and eliminated 150,000 American jobs while moving most of its production overseas after receiving over $9.5 billion in government subsidies and loans,” Sanders said in July, before the Senate voted in favor of the bill. “In order to make more profits, these companies took government money and used it to ship good-paying jobs abroad.”
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The U.S. Said It'd Give Billions to Chipmakers Like Intel. Now Come the Layoffs (Original Post) In It to Win It Oct 2022 OP
The American Way. enough Oct 2022 #1
It's the Big Corps siphoning of American labor and taxes way, not the American way. ancianita Oct 2022 #11
That's Faux pas Oct 2022 #2
Because the sales of PCs have declined edhopper Oct 2022 #3
and thats what we need. Especially chips for critical items. oldsoftie Oct 2022 #18
I bet the ones screaming about socialism are pissed Emile Oct 2022 #4
Post removed Post removed Oct 2022 #5
This is pure BS WA-03 Democrat Oct 2022 #7
Intel is losing to its competitors and CHIPS money hasn't been granted anybody yet mathematic Oct 2022 #6
+100 nt reACTIONary Oct 2022 #9
Exactly. nt SunSeeker Oct 2022 #20
You could tell it was a corporate giveaway. jaxexpat Oct 2022 #8
I'm relieved that Joe Biden and the Democratic Party realize the importance of rescuing a Just A Box Of Rain Oct 2022 #10
We pay to help them start up the production. Delmette2.0 Oct 2022 #12
Clearly, the author knows very little about the ups and downs of the IC business relayerbob Oct 2022 #13
Doesn't this happen every time corporations are bailed out? Orrex Oct 2022 #14
Exactly what I was thinking. Steve Canuck Oct 2022 #16
Or forfeiting executive bonuses and banning stock buy-backs for 10+ years? Orrex Oct 2022 #17
Very difficult to recession proof high tech: expect layoffs at other high techs in coming months andym Oct 2022 #15
Intel has been behind the curve on EUV lithography Warpy Oct 2022 #19

ancianita

(36,060 posts)
11. It's the Big Corps siphoning of American labor and taxes way, not the American way.
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 11:31 AM
Oct 2022

Big Corps is an anti-American, anti-human. And that's not just on the tech or oil or defense end.

On the political end...

https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-reports/this-sedition-is-brought-to-you-by/

edhopper

(33,580 posts)
3. Because the sales of PCs have declined
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 09:53 AM
Oct 2022

the real test is the new plants that will manufacture chips for other products that are now made overseas. If the overall manufacture of chips moves back to the US, the Bill is a success.

oldsoftie

(12,548 posts)
18. and thats what we need. Especially chips for critical items.
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 12:28 PM
Oct 2022

Anything related to national security, and that covers a lot, should NOT be bought from China

Response to In It to Win It (Original post)

WA-03 Democrat

(3,050 posts)
7. This is pure BS
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 11:07 AM
Oct 2022

Joe does not have the ego nor fucks left to care about history. He is doing the part of trying to save democracy. Bernie Sanders ideas have been rejected twice now at the national level. Get behind Biden! He gets stuff done!

mathematic

(1,439 posts)
6. Intel is losing to its competitors and CHIPS money hasn't been granted anybody yet
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 10:26 AM
Oct 2022

What is even this article? Mad at Intel for making bad products? CHIPS funding can go to any semiconductor company that builds in the US, not just Intel.

The CHIPS act, and any other industrial policy, is never a guarantee that any particular company will be competitive in the marketplace. Republicans were mad at Obama for Solyndra, despite that loss being a very small portion of the industrial policy in the American Recovery and Reinvestment act.



jaxexpat

(6,831 posts)
8. You could tell it was a corporate giveaway.
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 11:11 AM
Oct 2022

It passed on a bipartisan vote and Bernie warned everyone ahead of time.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
10. I'm relieved that Joe Biden and the Democratic Party realize the importance of rescuing a
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 11:27 AM
Oct 2022

strategic dometic industry that is vital to our economy and our national security from failure.

Nice to have responsible adults making these decisions.

Delmette2.0

(4,165 posts)
12. We pay to help them start up the production.
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 11:31 AM
Oct 2022

We help them move everything off shore. We help them on their taxes.

Then we still pay for their overpriced products.

The R's want to cut spending, so let's start here.
Stop subsidizing profitable companies.

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
13. Clearly, the author knows very little about the ups and downs of the IC business
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 11:33 AM
Oct 2022

Nor, how long it will take for the CHips act to actually make a difference.

He/she should probably stick to something closer to home. Like football.

Orrex

(63,213 posts)
14. Doesn't this happen every time corporations are bailed out?
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 11:35 AM
Oct 2022

I mean, like, literally every time?

Why don't they ever make the bail-out or infusion or jump-start or whatever contingent upon maintaining the existing domestic workforce?

 

Steve Canuck

(45 posts)
16. Exactly what I was thinking.
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 11:53 AM
Oct 2022

How come there isn't conditions for accepting the money? Conditions such as no lay offs for x amount of years.

andym

(5,443 posts)
15. Very difficult to recession proof high tech: expect layoffs at other high techs in coming months
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 11:44 AM
Oct 2022

The one to watch for is Google, who has a large number of employees and is dependent on ad revenues.
The Fed is looking for a soft landing to control inflation, but increasingly looks to be erring on inducing a "mild" recession.

Biden's package to help chipmakers will help them move more jobs here involved in manufacturing long-term, but it doesn't guarantee a net increase in jobs especially in the short term. It's also unclear how it affects non-manufacturing jobs at a company like Intel.

Warpy

(111,267 posts)
19. Intel has been behind the curve on EUV lithography
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 12:31 PM
Oct 2022

but they're slowly catching up. That means retooling a lot of their facilities. The CHIPS Act is giving the money to do the work so there is a fully domestic competitor to Tawan, even though TSMC has also been given $$ to start manufacturing here.

Layoffs don't always mean the C level executives are trying to goose the stock price. That wouldn't work in the currently deflating stock market, anyway. That scam only worked well while the market was hyperinflating with easy money from QE, reckless tax cuts for the rich, and stolen Covid relief money.

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