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skip fox

(19,359 posts)
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 10:04 AM Oct 2022

Why do we allow candidates who won't accept election results to even run?

It seems that, like age and other requirements, an acceptance of election results should be requisite for all candidates.

If you can't lose, you can't play!


Simple as that.

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Why do we allow candidates who won't accept election results to even run? (Original Post) skip fox Oct 2022 OP
Because the Constitution sets the requirements DetroitLegalBeagle Oct 2022 #1
You're right of course, but skip fox Oct 2022 #4
How do you propose enforcing that? iemanja Oct 2022 #8
They deal with finance campaign rules, don't they? skip fox Oct 2022 #10
There is no rule regarding this iemanja Oct 2022 #12
That's why we have courts Sympthsical Oct 2022 #14
People are allowed to say stupid things RainCaster Oct 2022 #2
Who's going to stop them? Parties can endorse candidates or not, Ocelot II Oct 2022 #3
Because the GOP and MAGAs like such people. Irish_Dem Oct 2022 #5
This right here. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #6
You're name can't go on the ballot unless skip fox Oct 2022 #7
They can claim all they want, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2022 #11
One would think it would take care of itself treestar Oct 2022 #9
Not their role to accept or not. Losers lose regardless. Plus rights & righteous cases Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2022 #13
I agree. The entire GQP should resign. lindysalsagal Oct 2022 #15
Likely for the same reason nearly 50% of Congress is comprised of traitors SheltieLover Oct 2022 #16
Don't be stupid. Xoan Oct 2022 #17
It doesn't matter if they accept it or not Kaleva Oct 2022 #18
I think professional sports teams Mme. Defarge Oct 2022 #19
Because the GOP Primary Voters JustAnotherGen Oct 2022 #20
Just start cursing then now! GreenWave Oct 2022 #21

DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,923 posts)
1. Because the Constitution sets the requirements
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 10:09 AM
Oct 2022

More can't be added without an amendment. Most(if not all) state constitutions list the requirements for state offices and would also need to be amended.

skip fox

(19,359 posts)
4. You're right of course, but
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 10:16 AM
Oct 2022

when we sit down to play a board game, we all tacitly agree to follow the rules.

Why would we let someone run if they said they cannot lose? They have to agree to follow certain finance campaign rules, don't they? Aren't there other such rules about buying votes, etc.

Shouldn't they have to agree to the rules of democracy if they are going to run in a democracy?

Maybe the answer is judicial not constitutional.

iemanja

(53,032 posts)
12. There is no rule regarding this
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 10:39 AM
Oct 2022

and each state would have to pass one, and then it would have to pass judicial review.

Campaign finance law doesn't stop someone from running. It fines them if they violate federal or state law.

Sympthsical

(9,073 posts)
14. That's why we have courts
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 10:55 AM
Oct 2022

And say what you will, but the courts set fire to almost all of Trump's claims after the election.

That's what they're there for, to referee based on the rules agreed upon in the Constitution.

Ocelot II

(115,705 posts)
3. Who's going to stop them? Parties can endorse candidates or not,
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 10:14 AM
Oct 2022

but anybody who wants to run for office can do so if they meet the minimum constitutional requirements.

skip fox

(19,359 posts)
7. You're name can't go on the ballot unless
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 10:35 AM
Oct 2022

you are endorsed by on the the political parties or you have gotten so many signatures.

Your name can't go on the ballot if it's not your real name.

Your name can't go on the ballot unless you are registered to vote in that state.

Etc., etc.

These are state laws.

Why can't states enact this very sensible law as well? Wouldn't it pass in an election? What election board would object?

If you refuse to lose from the outset, then you can't play. What's the sense of even having an election if someone claims they won't accept a loss?

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,382 posts)
11. They can claim all they want,
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 10:39 AM
Oct 2022

but that doesn't mean that it will hold any water with the courts.

The bottom line is that there is nothing in the Constitution that prohibits someone who denies the outcome from running and the Constitution trumps state law.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
9. One would think it would take care of itself
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 10:37 AM
Oct 2022

and nobody would vote for someone who says something that crazy.

The Electoral College really did us a tough one by electing TFG. It causes us to lose confidence in our Constitution, and reveals a number of people are willing to think crazily for things to go their way.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,002 posts)
13. Not their role to accept or not. Losers lose regardless. Plus rights & righteous cases
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 10:51 AM
Oct 2022

Non-acceptance creates trouble, yes, but that is after the fact.

Further, what would you advise if a deep Red county actively stuffed ballot boxes with bogus "votes"?
Would you advise just rolling over and accepting it?

There are cases where non-acceptance of a loss is a good thing but they are extremely rare.

And more: not accepting a loss is a person's right to free speech and THE GOVERNMENT CAN'T INTERFERE WITH THAT RIGHT.

That's why. Answered your question three (3) ways, but you won't like any of it.




Now, non-acceptance is very different from telling a vast Twitter audience in December about J6 "Be there! It will be wild!!" and then on J6 telling the crowd "You have to fight to take back your country" and "I will march with you to the Capitol!".

Mme. Defarge

(8,032 posts)
19. I think professional sports teams
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 11:38 AM
Oct 2022

should refuse to play in any state where political candidates refuse to concede their own losses in legitimate elections. Play by the rules, or else.

GreenWave

(6,756 posts)
21. Just start cursing then now!
Tue Oct 18, 2022, 12:09 PM
Oct 2022

That will make us precursors to when they lose by a lot and pretend they won.

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