For everyone who had strong feelings about the activists throwing soup at the Van Gogh

[Nevilledog]

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So many people dragged her for throwing the soup even though the painting wasn't damaged, but the truth is, if she never threw that soup, then over 4.5 million people wouldn't be watching her in this video asking the important questions.


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2:45 PM · Oct 18, 2022

[iemanja]

1. I submit it did nothing to raise awareness about climate change

Rather it exposed her as an art hater, and she shares that with the conservatives of the world. Fuck her and her childish prank.

[Nevilledog]

2. That's one opinion.

[cagefreesoylentgreen]

16. I submit that Van Gogh would approve

He died in pain, in obscurity, and in poverty. Now his art is traded around by the super rich elite who produce little or nothing of value while often taking actions to jeopardize the health of the planet and the people on it. He'd probably would have thrown the soup himself.

[AkFemDem]

20. If his paintings had sold to the rich and powerful

people he had petitioned to while he was still alive, perhaps he wouldn’t have committed suicide. His mental illness wouldn’t have been cured by sales, but his feelings of hopelessness and failure sure may have been.

[Abolishinist]

50. Sorry, too rational on your part.

He died because of the rich elite who got there by producing little or nothing of value.

[iemanja]

25. His paintings are also in museums around the world

Where everyone can enjoy them. The last thing that jeopardizes the planet is art. It has existed since the dawn of humankind. There is no life without it. She could have gone to an oil refinery. Instead she chose to defile the beautiful. Pretending this did anything to advance protections against climate change is ridiculous.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

48. Well said!

[Shellback Squid]

88. I didn't need persuading but others, even if a small amount,may think it's worthwhile to re-examine

[Marcus IM]

7. I submit that any conversation that leads to awareness, good

Plus, the painting is fine so vacationers and art lovers are in no way damaged.

[asiliveandbreathe]

19. 3M views..

She is seen as an Art Hater..I think not..what good is the ART without a world..(painting was NOT damaged..)

[iemanja]

26. Non sequitur.

Art isn’t responsible for this, but that child’s consumption is.

[AntivaxHunters]

39. Approaching 6 million views and it's not old

Keep that in mind, the video is fresh.
Raising awareness about climate change is essential.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

49. Attacking art works isn't "raising awareness."

This sort of kooky behavior hurts us.

[betsuni]

58. My favorite comment was a sarcastic, Thank goodness these protesters threw soup on a Van Gogh

because otherwise I never would've known about climate change.

[Dorian Gray]

68. lol. Right

The whole thing is stupid. They got the attention they wanted, but they actually angered a LOT of people and it's making people dig in AGAINST them.

[Hekate]

57. So it's click-bait and I fell for it?

[Eko]

37. I submit that what she did was art.

Thanks,
Eko.

[mcar]

3. What questions?

The overall response to their ridiculous crime is disgust. It does nothing to raise awareness of the climate crisis.

Why aren't these advocates protesting the actual people who are standing in the way?

[RobinA]

35. Exactly

I remember the incident, but had no idea what the issue was. Colored pencils and oil paint? Ok, maybe I'm not the target audience.

[Dorian Gray]

69. They want attention

and not change?

[Demsrule86]

4. Sorry, I think it is wrong to throw soup on a painting...and it does Climate change no good...

[Marcus IM]

6. The soup never touched the painting.

It is in a sealed case with glass on front. The painting is fine.

But, it did start some discussions about climate change. Look at the opening commentary by Sam Seder on his show today for one example.

[panader0]

15. The frame was damaged.

[Dorian Gray]

70. It didn't start discussions about climate change

it's started discussions about whether these activists were wrong.

[Marcus IM]

84. I see.

Shame, that.

[Dorian Gray]

85. When they throw tomatoes

at a soprano singing in the Met, that'll show big oil and the world that they mean business.

[Marcus IM]

87. As misguided as it was, there's little action elsewhere

Imo, anything is better than nothing. I'm sure those being flooded out of their homes are very concerned about the Van Gogh sealed in a case in a museum. Yep. Pretty sure of that

[brooklynite]

89. Care to share those discussions with us?

As a counterpoint, a large crowd watched a video they heard about on social media and then went back to their lives.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

5. Baloney.

The sort of "attention" that pair drew only damages our cause.

Is this woman a complete narcissist?

[LakeArenal]

8. If you choose the protest you choose the punishment.

That’s the sacrifice. So for that I think it’s fine as an act of protest.

I do think it’s a very ISIS way of protest.

[muriel_volestrangler]

11. "ISIS"?

Huh?

[LakeArenal]

22. Intimidation by destroying meaningful artifacts.

[Marcus IM]

38. But, nothing was destroyed.

Seems to be the missing element that people are choosing to skip over.

[Genki Hikari]

62. Don't work in art curation

Depending on the kind of soup, it could indeed cause damage to the painting. The acids in tomato soup, for instance, could wreak havoc on the paint itself. Organic matter in any soup could also get into a gap in the paint to start creating fungus or mold in the canvas if any soup managed to soak through to there.

The painting will need thorough examinations over time to make sure of that "nothing destroyed" claim.

It was a ridiculous stunt. The rich have plenty of symbols to target for anyone who wants to bring attention to how destructive obscene wealth is to the planet, like their yachts, mansions or corporate HQs. Or the obscenely wealthy themselves.

Those all do far more to harm the planet than any van Gogh painting.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

9. K&R.

[Midnight Writer]

10. We wouldn't have read the Unibomber's manifesto if he hadn't sent out a few bombs.

[ZonkerHarris]

18. And we all learned something too, didn't we?

[AkFemDem]

23. That crazy people are gonna crazy?

[lame54]

12. Did she know that the painting would not be damaged?...

She claimed to know after the fact

[ripcord]

13. If you choose to act in a disrespectful fashion towards something that has meaning to many

Don't expect not to get a fair ration of shit back.

[AntivaxHunters]

40. If you're more concerned with a painting than the planet

You may want to take a few steps back.
No painting is surviving the coming climate apocalypse. None.

[ripcord]

46. Maybe you need to understand that the two aren't connected

If people want to protest that is fine but others are also allowed their opinions of the protesters, these protesters weren't the sharpest tools in the shed, if anything they have alienated a number of people with their asinine behavior.

[AntivaxHunters]

74. If that's the case

then why are we all talking about it thousands of miles away?
If they were holding a march would we even hear about it?
No.
You say they're not the sharpest tools in the shed yet they have the entire world talking.
I'd probably re-think that statement. A lot.

[ripcord]

77. But the people talking aren't supporting them

Read the posts here, the majority of people aren't supporting them. I have no idea how so many people can justify any actions, no matter how unrelated, as long as some idiot declares it to be a protest. This was an ineffective protest, they did nothing to further their cause and now have people considering them as nothing but vandals which is what they are.

[ZonkerHarris]

53. shit man, the rich will save the paintings before you or me

[AntivaxHunters]

75. Right?

[Dorian Gray]

71. I'm concerned with the planet

Now there are millions of people who think climate activists are crazy and not to be taken seriously.

That ultimately harms the planet.

[Dorian Gray]

81. This one survived their feeble attempt

at disrupting the conversation, so Van Gogh for the win.

[LAS14]

14. I think it was a BRILLIANT move!!!!!!! nt

[ZonkerHarris]

17. Now do the people vandalizing Scotland Yard and private businesses

[muriel_volestrangler]

66. Vandalizing Scotland Yard? Even more defensible

The problem is the British government handing out gas and oil exploration licences at a time when the world's scientists agree that's a disastrous thing to do.

So, throwing paint on the symbol of an arm of the British government? Good move. Doing it on the Metropolitan Police, one of the most despised parts of government at the moment, who will carry out more authoritarian arrests if the government gets its way? Even better.

Suella Braverman is quietly attempting to hand herself new powers to clamp down on the government’s political opponents, civil right advocates have warned.

The home secretary has tabled a last-minute amendment to a widely criticised anti-protest bill that would allow her to apply for injunctions against anyone she deems ‘likely’ to carry out protests that could cause ‘serious disruption’ to ‘key national infrastructure’, prevent access to ‘essential’ goods or services, or have a ‘serious adverse effect on public safety’. The proposal would also give police the power to arrest anyone they suspect to be breaching such an injunction.

Leading human rights groups say that the Public Order Bill, which is set to reach its final stages in the Commons today, would align the UK’s anti-protest laws with those in Russia and Belarus.

The bill includes new powers, such as protest banning orders, that the government was forced to exclude from its Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act (PCSC) after they were voted down in the House of Lords earlier this year.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/public-order-bill-suella-braverman-anti-protest/

You don't need an environmental reason to throw paint at the Met Police symbol. Just to have a clear view of the moral worth of the Met Police.

[AkFemDem]

21. They come across as laughable, ridiculous jokes

They’re exactly the faces that the climate change awareness movement doesn’t need. If people are looking, it’s to make fun of them and by extension most of us.

[The Magistrate]

24. Hear Hear, Ma'am

[MarineCombatEngineer]

27. +100. nt

[Owl]

31. +1000

[hlthe2b]

47. Absolutely...

The lack of conscience on this thread is staggering.

I'm reminded of how I felt when the Taliban destroyed the incomparable Buddhas in Afghanistan.
When we target great works of art, whether successfully damaging or destroying or not--that is an offense against all of us because those irreplaceable treasures belong to us all. That they failed to destroy or damage beyond the frame hardly excuses the act. It could well have been otherwise.

That some here can not see the absolute immorality in this act, no matter how important the cause, is beyond disturbing to me.

[betsuni]

28. When they said, "What is worth more, art or life?" I thought: for Vincent, definitely art.

[electric_blue68]

29. Been an Environmentalist for 57 years, an Artist for about as long...

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Something could have go wrong with that stunt/protest...

What if she'd somehow lost her balance, slipped, or some saw her right at the start, yelled at her, she was startled, lost balnce and she slipped, etc. She might have hit the frame possibly dislodging it off the wall.


It's not impossible. You don't fuck around with priceless works of art.

[Meowmee]

30. I did not watch the video

And I was aware of climate change and the incoming crisis probably long before some of these people were born. The discussion now is about notoriety about throwing soup at a famous painting, not climate change. It was for publicity to get their specific movement in the spotlight not to help the situation as they claim.

This all looks even sillier because Van Gogh loved nature and I would guess he would have supported their cause, so why attack his painting? Leonardo also loved nature and he was an early vegan as I recall, so again why attack his work or the frame of his painting. Why… because these are famous artists and museums and they know it will draw attention. If they had attacked a lesser known artist’s work that would not attract the same attention.

[Sky Jewels]

32. Stunts like this just create animosity towards good causes.

I am as in-favor of strong climate-change action as anyone, but this kind of stuff is counterproductive, IMO.

[yardwork]

42. I agree.

[MustLoveBeagles]

45. I agree

[ZonkerHarris]

54. it's the kind of thing oil companies fund to have happen to taint the cause

[Raine]

33. It was DISGUSTING and I don't care what kind of lame excuse

is used. This made people who care about the issue look like insane idiots!

[Xoan]

34. Oh, foff ...

Loon

[AntivaxHunters]

41. Loon? You know what's crazy?

The coming climate apocalypse.

You may want to check out why they did this. The activists said the UK is more concerned with preserving art than they are fighting against climate change. And they cited the amount of $ spent.

No painting is surviving anything when the planet is up in flames and we're all walking around in air filled with smoke, flames, and wearing gas masks. We face NO OTHER GREATER THREAT than climate change. None. I have young klids, I want them to live a long life. I don't want them dead by 40.

[electric_blue68]

63. I can be just as terrified at times even w/o kids my favorite cousins have kids, and a few of them..

have kids

Plus I care about Humanity, and the planet animals and plants ad well.

And if the long life genes on both sides of my family hold true, I don't have a deadly accident or deadly disease I'll be around for another 26 yrs or so

[Raine]

64. No one here is saying it's not a serious issue but

there are better ways to bring it attention other then turing it in a ridiculous spectacle. It make the cause and turns those who are concerned into nothing but the butt of jokes by the deniers.

[AntivaxHunters]

73. I disagree

Was anybody hurt by what they did?
No.
What they did worked.
It has all of us talking here thousands of miles away. If this was a protest & march in the street we wouldn't even know about it but once you go after the 1% and their wealth in such a way they feel threatened then the whole world is going to know about it.


Mission accomplished.

[betsuni]

76. How does the 1% feel threatened?

[Dorian Gray]

80. Mission Accomplished? okay GWB

The threw tomato soup on a painting with glass protecting it. It's not like they split the atom here and will provide clean energy for generations.

They got a lot of views bc the majority of people think they're assholes and people like to gawk at train-wrecks.

[Dorian Gray]

72. OMG WORLD IS ENDING!

let's throw a can of soup at a painting. That'll fix it!

[Polybius]

91. It's 30 years too late to be stopped

Soup won't slow it down.

[AntivaxHunters]

92. So do nothing is your solution?

You do you.
I'll stick with what MLK said.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

36. Nope, not changing my opinion of them,

they tried to vandalize a priceless work of art, period.

They're fucking loony tune if they think this will garner support for the cause of climate change and I really don't care if I'm called a hater again.

Not saying you did, but it did happen in a different thread about this criminal act.

[Whiskeytide]

43. I bet the archeologists from Planet X who arrive on Earth ...

… in 2250 to sift thru the remains of our civilization will greatly appreciate that Van Gogh.

[Dorian Gray]

82. Planet X not sending their best

if they can't appreciate good art.

[nini]

44. She achieved nothing productive

The only questions asked is what the heck was she thinking.

[brooklynite]

51. I'm guessing more people watched this video of mice...

...and watching a video doesn't change people's opinions.

[Abolishinist]

52. Hopefully, future protestors will learn

from this, and the NEXT time will completely destroy a priceless work of art!

Now THAT will get the attention they so well deserve, right?

[ZonkerHarris]

55. almost 1400 views of this post and only 5 recs so it's not really a winning take on the issue

the tribe has spoken

[Hekate]

56. Oh right, a billion people are giving up their family cars for bicycles because destroying ...

… (or attempting to destroy) priceless art treasures really teaches us all about global warming. So there. A million politicians will suddenly see the light and ensure we have free mass transit and walkable cities. Riiiight.

Just like when the Taliban decided that destroying irreplaceable archaeological sites was going to show the non-Islamic West what was what. Yeah we were all impressed by that, all right.

Stupid, deluded, child.

[betsuni]

59. I've been thinking of the Taliban destroying ancient art.

Make your own art and leave the world's heritage alone, I say.

[Hekate]

61. Seriously, yes

[Paladin]

86. +1000. Thank you. (nt)

[electric_blue68]

65. that was awful when the Taliban wrecked that site

[Genki Hikari]

60. Why go after the Van Gogh

Rather than the people who have gotten rich enough to inflate the value of a van Gogh? You know--the kind of people who are the reason why climate change is happening. The van Gogh had nothing to do with that.

Oh yeah--because throwing the soup at the real source of your anger might take something called, you know, courage.

[NNadir]

67. This is an abysmally stupid human being. These Greenpeace type clowns are digusting. n/t.

[Hekate]

78. More like PETA

[AntivaxHunters]

93. lol

[Chakaconcarne]

79. Lots of ways to get the same attention; she's an idiot and not helping the cause at all.

[whistler162]

83. Well that enforces my deep seared

knowledge. Twitter is for idiots!

[Stuart G]

90. Yes, When You think you have seen it all, then there is more. Did she accomplish her goal?

Yes, or No? .....It is that simple.

[DenaliDemocrat]

94. What a completely shitty thought process.

I defaced the Grand Canyon to make sure my message was heard. I blew up the statue of libert to ensure my voice wasn’t lost. What a crock of self-absorbed narcissistic bullshit.