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Walleye

(31,062 posts)
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 08:11 AM Oct 2022

To CBS News: we are sick of hearing what people in diners think

They are visiting diners in Arizona and interviewing citizens. Only it’s really more like ventriloquist dummies usually. Crime inflation secure the borders. CBS, put your reporters on the real stories, please. The crime in the Republican Party Is a good place to start

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To CBS News: we are sick of hearing what people in diners think (Original Post) Walleye Oct 2022 OP
Yes. betsuni Oct 2022 #1
I listened to Thom Hartmann Tuesday, gab13by13 Oct 2022 #2
Democrats don't respond to that kind of campaigning Walleye Oct 2022 #3
+1 betsuni Oct 2022 #5
This is bubble thinking Sympthsical Oct 2022 #6
Your comment is spot-on! moose65 Oct 2022 #23
I agree with your diagnosis Sympthsical Oct 2022 #26
And the one political strategist, Howard Dean, who actually made inroads, is treated like a leper. NBachers Oct 2022 #30
I firmly believe if Howard Dean were in charge of our political strategy Sympthsical Oct 2022 #34
Agreed. Our side doesn't do messaging. Why not just hire the company HUAJIAO Oct 2022 #36
+1 llmart Oct 2022 #25
Economics can put people into survival mode Sympthsical Oct 2022 #29
I understand that but... llmart Oct 2022 #61
Oh, absolutely Sympthsical Oct 2022 #63
I agree with you. llmart Oct 2022 #67
+1000 Celerity Oct 2022 #32
Agree 100000000000000000000000%. nt Quixote1818 Oct 2022 #33
Well Said, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2022 #69
+1, not every dem frequents DU uponit7771 Oct 2022 #70
Agreed. DUers don't need Dems to hone and hammer the message; it's the "casual" voter... Beartracks Oct 2022 #76
Correct - 75% of people are not like us Cosmocat Oct 2022 #93
I disagree with this very much. yardwork Oct 2022 #9
It has been DECADES (90's, 00's, 10's and not 20's) that the GOP message remains the same... Moostache Oct 2022 #59
THIS x 1,000! BlueIdaho Oct 2022 #60
No, the Democratic party thinks voters want detailed plans. I was just talking to my doc03 Oct 2022 #10
Well I guess we cried wolf about Roe vs Wade long enough Walleye Oct 2022 #12
Well if women are so concerned about Roe vs Wade as we have been led to believe it doc03 Oct 2022 #17
Wow Walleye, gab13by13 Oct 2022 #13
Hey I'm in favor of anything that works. It's very frustrating Walleye Oct 2022 #20
I humbly disagree. Ferrets are Cool Oct 2022 #19
Let's all just agree that the only reason.... jaxexpat Oct 2022 #43
I guess I just don't understand how anybody can be apolitical at this point Walleye Oct 2022 #44
Because they don't pay any attention to issues beyond their narrow lives. jaxexpat Oct 2022 #45
I know the reality TV thing always stops my thinking. Why would anybody watch that crap Walleye Oct 2022 #47
I agree, I think it has become a talking point gab13by13 Oct 2022 #46
That wasn;t the entire pitch, and the theory is based on one which soldierant Oct 2022 #82
I think reproductive rights is one of them pstokely Oct 2022 #14
2 and 3, Go after the fat cats and Putin/MBS,because it's the economy. carpetbagger Oct 2022 #27
2) Protecting SS and Medicare against the R's VERY real plans to gut them, Scrivener7 Oct 2022 #71
Thom is right! Emile Oct 2022 #22
I've made a similar observation before Orrex Oct 2022 #92
I can't watch the diner scenes. They just suck. twodogsbarking Oct 2022 #4
THIS!!! yardwork Oct 2022 #7
what about a fast food chain in an urban area? pstokely Oct 2022 #15
They do, just go to any McDonald's or some other gathering place and you will doc03 Oct 2022 #21
Calm down wilson2792 Oct 2022 #39
Good post, I like it, gab13by13 Oct 2022 #48
But didn't you know? vercetti2021 Oct 2022 #8
There you go, thinking everyone in the so called flyover country are stupid hillbillies doc03 Oct 2022 #24
Why would we work for their votes? vercetti2021 Oct 2022 #28
Yep, a large part of the electorate, particularly evangelical Christians Walleye Oct 2022 #40
Absolutely, and religion plays a big role. gab13by13 Oct 2022 #49
"religion" IMO is your biggest problem. luvtheGWN Oct 2022 #83
You take Ohio it has become a red state that doesn't mean everyone votes Republican doc03 Oct 2022 #55
I don't expect to get their vote. Elessar Zappa Oct 2022 #31
Well you certainly won't nt doc03 Oct 2022 #56
Contact CBS with your valid complaint. Boomerproud Oct 2022 #11
AMEN. It is the worst of "reporting". One can not even call it that. Ferrets are Cool Oct 2022 #16
Walleye 0. To CBS News: we are sick of hearing what people in diners think rlaska Oct 2022 #18
this proves my point . they always interview the conservative rather than libs . AllaN01Bear Oct 2022 #35
I think journalists have become very lazy Walleye Oct 2022 #37
Lazy? I call it INTENTIONAL. tenderfoot Oct 2022 #58
Amen Joinfortmill Oct 2022 #38
Wish I could rec 1,000,000 happy feet Oct 2022 #41
According to most of them we lost the midterms two years ago, by winning the White House Walleye Oct 2022 #42
People underestimate the power of controlling the narrative, gab13by13 Oct 2022 #50
I only have basic cable so I don't get the cable news stations Walleye Oct 2022 #51
Anyone who is complaining about people putting the economy first need to think again ripcord Oct 2022 #52
Diner interviews are a way of fellating the boss. hay rick Oct 2022 #53
I wonder why people watch the news so they can post how sick they are of it Kaleva Oct 2022 #54
If I want to know if the biscuits and gravy is good, I'll ask one of those lame-brained, loitering Aristus Oct 2022 #57
They spent 4 years telling us what the "winners" think. Buns_of_Fire Oct 2022 #62
tv pushes a message 24/7, then asks what people care about and receives the message back Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2022 #64
When did diners become political anyway? Polybius Oct 2022 #65
Obviously white rural Christian truckdrivers are the only 'Murikins who really matter. Sky Jewels Oct 2022 #66
Especially in Arizona. onecaliberal Oct 2022 #68
I watched a local news outlet interview people in a diner in Youngstown, Ohio this week lees1975 Oct 2022 #72
I wish that had gotten on the national networks Walleye Oct 2022 #73
MSM got tfg elected, who needs 'em! Boycott Cozmo Oct 2022 #74
If you want to know what those red state people really think, look for their "blue dot" neighbors JHB Oct 2022 #75
That sounds like a good plan Walleye Oct 2022 #77
what about the red dots in blue areas? pstokely Oct 2022 #86
They regularly appear in "cancel culture" reporting. JHB Oct 2022 #91
If you are talking about the evening news hosted by Norah. I hear you. She is worthless. LiberalFighter Oct 2022 #78
In 16 & 20 they scoured redneck shitholes in western PA to learn how PA felt about Clinton & Biden Orrex Oct 2022 #79
CBS is just trying to tap into the zeitgeist of the common folk. LudwigPastorius Oct 2022 #80
👍 Walleye Oct 2022 #81
HA YES! betsuni Oct 2022 #89
It's essentially campaign ads for the GOP. The_Casual_Observer Oct 2022 #84
Well said! vapor2 Oct 2022 #85
Looking for bedrock, simple, salt of the earth people Warpy Oct 2022 #87
Why don't they ever ask the people WHAT they think Republicans would do to bring down inflation? SunSeeker Oct 2022 #88
#hashtaghashbrowns Drum Oct 2022 #90

gab13by13

(21,408 posts)
2. I listened to Thom Hartmann Tuesday,
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 08:16 AM
Oct 2022

and he said that Republicans have picked 3 issues to run on and they hammer just those 3 issues. Guess what Thom said they are?

Crime, immigrants at the border, and inflation.

Thom did say that Democrats should have done the same thing, pick 3 issues and hammer them.

Walleye

(31,062 posts)
3. Democrats don't respond to that kind of campaigning
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 08:21 AM
Oct 2022

This kind of bumper strip issues campaign only works on Republicans. Democrats want detailed plans and listen to them. This is the problem. You can’t expect Democrats to vote based on propaganda the way republicans do.

Sympthsical

(9,121 posts)
6. This is bubble thinking
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 08:37 AM
Oct 2022

The thing is, if you're a politics or news junky, you're going to hang around in a space with other politics and news junkies. We here pay a lot more attention to policy, but that doesn't mean Democrats in general do. It just means your immediate environment and anecdotal experience reflects differently.

Most of my friends and family are Democrats. They usually have one or two big reasons for being so. With many of my gay friends, they defaulted into Democrats = LGBT friendly. With my parents, it was union stuff (my father was a big Teamster). Sometimes it's cultural (people of color being far more likely to be Democrats).

The idea that we're all policy wonks and deep intellectuals is an insular lie we tell ourselves. Who doesn't want to think they're an intellectual sophisticate removed from those lower orders of thinking? Verily, allow me to retrieve my pipe and tweed and we shall hold forth!

People react emotionally to things. Most voters - on both sides - don't go much farther past "Does this immediately affect my life?" and basic emotional impulses. "This thing good! This thing bad!"

Acting like anyone anywhere really wants a deep dive into policy details is the quickest way to lose an election.

And that extends into those politics and news junky spaces. Pick an article at random. Go into the comments. Now estimate how many people actually read, digested, and analyzed the article and how many just reacted emotionally to the headline.

Because that is an everday thing I observe. People don't make it past the headline.

Hardly the nuanced deep discussion being portrayed.

moose65

(3,168 posts)
23. Your comment is spot-on!
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 09:16 AM
Oct 2022

Most people in this country are not political junkies like we are here on DU. Yes, WE like to have detailed plans, but for most regular people, that stuff starts to sound like Charlie Brown's school teacher.

Dems could have great messaging if they would keep it simple and STICK to it. A simple slogan like: Vote BLUE in 22. Something that will stick in the minds of voters, and hammer it home, over and over again.

Sometimes I think that Democratic politicians give people too much credit. They think that people remember everything that has happened over the last 2 years in detail. Nope. Republicans thought for awhile that the withdrawal from Afghanistan would be a great campaign issue for them, but that has completely fallen off the radar. People are fickle and they live in the moment. You have to remind them over and over and over again what you stand for.

The problem is that Dem politicians keep hiring the same campaign consultants over and over again. The same consultants who have gotten paid well while we lost the House and Senate during Obama's presidency, and who knows how many state and local offices we lost. It gets infuriating!

Sympthsical

(9,121 posts)
26. I agree with your diagnosis
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 09:29 AM
Oct 2022

I think our political consultant class is just out of control and out of touch. They're insular and live in that NY-DC-LA bubble where they're constantly surrounded by people who all think as they do and have similar preferences and proclivities.

There are so many times where I see someone advance a terrible idea that is insanely out of touch and I constantly think, "Have you ever . . . met people?" One of the more recent issues that springs to mind is LatinX. Latinos haaaaaaaaaaate that term. Hate hate hate. Hate! I know this because I live, work, and go to school around a lot of Latinos. Latinos have married into my family over the years. I've, you know, actually talked to these people.

And yet someone somewhere decided half the Democratic party needed to top-down impose that term onto that community in all their political materials. The community didn't ask for it. They sure as shit didn't want it. But a lot of disconnected (and white, let's be honest) political types decided this is what we were going to do now. And people who don't know any better and aren't familiar with the Latino community latched on and perpetuated it, because the political class instructed them to.

Man, that was a lot of unnecessary resentment generated because the people guiding our political sensibilities apparently didn't actually know any Latinos.

It was truly baffling. And I see that kind of top-down out of touch impulse again and again in different areas, because the political consultant class doesn't have experience anywhere close to the ground where voters actually live. There's an issue right now that I won't even discuss here where I'm watching it and thinking, "You guys seriously have no idea what the average person thinks about this. No idea at all. And it's going to kill us." It's already killing us in some closer elections. But what does it say that I'm not even going to mention or get into it in a partisan space, because I don't feel like dealing with the blowback this morning.

I've been an adult for twenty odd years now, and it feels like I'm seeing the same people again and again, making their livings by giving everyone advice. Well. After twenty years, I'm looking around at the state of the country and beginning to wonder, "Why are we still hiring you?"

NBachers

(17,146 posts)
30. And the one political strategist, Howard Dean, who actually made inroads, is treated like a leper.
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 09:42 AM
Oct 2022

There's got to be Someone with a deep and demanding *something* against Howard, and they're so strategically placed in the consultant hierarchy that no-one will buck them.

Sympthsical

(9,121 posts)
34. I firmly believe if Howard Dean were in charge of our political strategy
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 09:50 AM
Oct 2022

This would be a much better country today.

He "got it" in a way I have not seen replaced since.

HUAJIAO

(2,401 posts)
36. Agreed. Our side doesn't do messaging. Why not just hire the company
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 09:51 AM
Oct 2022

that does McDonalds' advertising !!

JEESH !!!!!!!!!

llmart

(15,555 posts)
25. +1
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 09:20 AM
Oct 2022

We keep thinking that one day everyone will be like DUers - following all the details, doing the research, able to cut through the b.s. to the truth, etc. Most Americans are not that interested in the nitty gritty of an issue. Most Americans are too busy to spend time on following it. Even Democratic voters that I know vote with the thought of "what are they proposing that affect me". This self-centeredness is rampant in our country, and if one thinks it's not, then they haven't been paying attention.

Wishing and hoping that our fellow Americans would be more savvy when they vote isn't going to make it so.

Sympthsical

(9,121 posts)
29. Economics can put people into survival mode
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 09:37 AM
Oct 2022

When your entire life is consumed with feeding your family or keeping a roof over your head, you start entering that, "Let's just make it to next week," thinking. I just need to get the water bill paid this week. I'll worry about the electric bill next week.

And I think that's why a lot of bigger overarching issues are harder to viscerally connect with voters. Like climate change. We know it's going to be a problem. We see evidence it's a problem. But people start thinking, "I have to buy gas to get to work so I don't lose my job and my apartment, and gas is $6 a gallon, and what the hell am I going to do . . ."

Climate becomes a "We'll get to that next week."

A lot of people are living to make it to next week or next month or next year. Whatever politician can tap into that sentiment and convince a voter that they'll make your next week or month better is likelier to win. Maybe that same politician will be absolutely terrible for you five or ten years down the line. But that isn't where your head is at all.

llmart

(15,555 posts)
61. I understand that but...
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 12:31 PM
Oct 2022

I still think it's more of "climate change? That's not important to me because I'll be dead before that, so who cares?" Or Putin's war on Ukraine - "it's not here and I don't know any Ukrainians, so why should I care?"

Sympthsical

(9,121 posts)
63. Oh, absolutely
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 12:45 PM
Oct 2022

And I'll say something that I think 95% of the people here would disagree with.

I think holding a January 6th hearing in the middle of October was one of the most baffling political decisions I have ever seen.

In a cycle completely dominated by inflation and to a somewhat lesser extent reproductive rights, someone thought that moving focus to a process most people could not possibly care less about was a good idea. And that isn't just me surmising based on my own experiences. If you look at recent polls about topics Americans care about, Jan. 6th lands at the absolute bottom. It's catnip for partisans and media, but it is not a thing in the lives of the average voter enduring this economy.

But when you ask voters what they think Democratic leaders are focused on, Jan 6th is at or near the top. Imagine that. Voters rate it at the bottom in importance, but they think our party has it has one of their three main priorities. It screams disconnect with voters.

Don't get me wrong. I believe there needs to be accountability for January 6th. Full stop. But I, someone who is engaged politically, am tired of hearing about it. I roll my eyes when I hear Garland's name. The next article I read with Garland's name in the headline will be accompanied by the word "indictment" - otherwise, I'm not bothering.

Politicians need to go where voters live. And they just don't live on Twitter.

llmart

(15,555 posts)
67. I agree with you.
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 01:07 PM
Oct 2022

Right or wrong, Democrats and President Biden will be seen as responsible for the price increases. We are at full employment. There are plenty of jobs, but it's the cost of things that the media is hammering on. Even as far back as the beginning of the pandemic, I remember telling people that as soon as the pandemic is over, corporations are NOT going to sit back and take the losses on the chin. I knew that as soon as things got back to normal, they would jack up the prices of everything to make up for the losses. So much for the "we're all in this together" crapola that we were being fed. "Oh, look how sweet. People are out on their balconies banging on pots and pans to show that we're still connected to one another even through these trying times of being apart."

Back when President Clinton was running for office the first time, he won because the Democrats pounded the "it's the economy, stupid" meme. It made Bush Sr. a one-term president. I remember quite a few of my Republican friends/family/coworkers say they voted for Clinton because of that. I never felt like it was Bush who single-handedly wrecked the economy - it never is, but that doesn't matter to the average American voter.

Like it or not, we live in a country that cares more about materialistic things than they do the really important issues.

Beartracks

(12,821 posts)
76. Agreed. DUers don't need Dems to hone and hammer the message; it's the "casual" voter...
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 07:17 PM
Oct 2022

... and independents.

Yea, verily!

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yardwork

(61,712 posts)
9. I disagree with this very much.
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 08:43 AM
Oct 2022

We need to reach the people in the middle who can't make up their minds. All our elections are determined by those people. They don't read much, don't pay a lot of attention to politics, and so they're susceptible to simple sound bites.

Democrats must change our messaging. We must get simpler and stronger.

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
59. It has been DECADES (90's, 00's, 10's and not 20's) that the GOP message remains the same...
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 11:05 AM
Oct 2022
Be afraid...be very, very afraid.

They stoke fear constantly because it is the quintessential Pavlovian response for their "base" - BE AFRAID! BE VERY AFRAID!
Then they follow up by painting Democratic leaders as weak on something, anything and insinuate that this makes them have only a single choice - vote GOP.

Afraid of economy?
We'll cut taxes and regulations (not YOUR taxes or regulations that benefit YOU, but don't worry about details...)

Afraid of healthcare costs?
We'll keep promising a replacement plan and never deliver anything (*going on 14 years soon...)

Afraid of immigrants and jobs?
We'll blather on about caravans and borders and crime, but do nothing concrete, ever.

Afraid of how to discuss sexuality with your kids?
We'll start accusing teachers of "grooming" and get you worked up about sexual reassignment treatments for OTHER PEOPLE'S kids...

Afraid of how to handle changing demographics and racial make up of communities?
We'll sell you false narratives on CRT and 1619 project and anything that dares to look at the past without sugar coating the ugly parts for your fee-fee's to not get bruised.

At the core, there is no real message or policy for the GOP any longer. It is all about leaning into and creating fear and getting stupid people to vote away their long term rights, freedoms and republic in favor of bullshit pseudo-promises and fake tough guy talk. Their standard bearer is the perfect avatar for their lies and deceit and there is no escaping that fact.

If we cannot sell the opposite of fear - hope - then we have to find more effective counters to the fear mongering and lying. We cannot stay above the fray and win in a mud slinging fight, and as easy as it is to attack MTG or Colorado's' Stripper escort Barbie or the various Ken doll's like Johnson, Rubio, Cruz, Gym Jordan and crew, the only successful way to defeat them is to look at how Trump did it to them and repeat the process.

Trump simply out-juvenile'd the field in 2016 and kept doing the same shit ever since...he is a lifetime bullshitter and bully and he showed that its effective in the minds of enough people in this country to seize power. Since we seem to struggle to sell Hope as the counter to Fear, maybe we should be considering loosing the dogs and telling the equivalent of poop jokes to blunt the GOP's message. It can't be any worse than the current situation where we are getting murdered at the state and local levels and looks grim in the House in 3 weeks... At worst, its worth a try.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
60. THIS x 1,000!
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 11:15 AM
Oct 2022

Fear, Fear, Fear, and more Fear. Forget the fact that most the straw men the GQP dredges up have zero daily relevance to the “Diner Crowd” - whoever the hell they are…

doc03

(35,382 posts)
10. No, the Democratic party thinks voters want detailed plans. I was just talking to my
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 08:44 AM
Oct 2022

niece's husband this morning, he said they had to pay $800 for 150 gallons of fuel oil. He said
that they filled their tank 275 gallons for $800 last year. Democrats passed the Inflation Reduction
Act but even myself that follows that stuff have little idea what is in it. I see these ads that it will cut
a household energy cost buy something like $1500 sometime in the future. It is not buying any heat NOW
for people. Democrats have been saying every election that I can remember (I am 74) that Republicans are going
eliminate SS and Medicare and this is the most important election ever. I think we have been crying wolf
and he has finally come but people don't buy it anymore.

Walleye

(31,062 posts)
12. Well I guess we cried wolf about Roe vs Wade long enough
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 08:46 AM
Oct 2022

And what do you know the fucking wolf showed up. I don’t think losing Social Security and Medicare is any more remote or a possibility then losing reproduction rights

doc03

(35,382 posts)
17. Well if women are so concerned about Roe vs Wade as we have been led to believe it
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 08:57 AM
Oct 2022

should be a massive Blue Wave this year. There are women out there that have been anti-abortion
and fought against it for decades too. Hopefully the pro-choice people out number them enough to
swing the vote. We will just have to hope all the talking heads are wrong.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,110 posts)
19. I humbly disagree.
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 09:03 AM
Oct 2022

Thom is correct, as usual.

And aren't Democrats already decided? If we need to campaign to Democrats, we are in a bad way. Americans have a extremely short attention span. Once you hit the 3 big issues, they usually hear lalalalalalalalalalaalalalalalalala.

And, if WE were so great at messaging, WE would be in complete control of all branches of the government. Admit it, for the most part, we haven't been. And that, IMO, is why we are worried that we may lose our Democracy.

jaxexpat

(6,852 posts)
43. Let's all just agree that the only reason....
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 10:08 AM
Oct 2022

Biden is president is that there were people who, after seeing a Midas Touch or some other similar commercial in 2020, decided to get off their couch and vote Democratic.

Unfortunately, since those folks had no political curiosity or foundation, they voted Republican down ticket. Probably because of some sort of stupid pseudo-wisdom about not placing all ones eggs in a single basket.

We ONLY win by attracting the apolitical and you're never going to convince them of anything in the long term.

jaxexpat

(6,852 posts)
45. Because they don't pay any attention to issues beyond their narrow lives.
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 10:13 AM
Oct 2022

There are way more of them than there should be. Question? Examine the popularity of professional football and reality Tee-Vee.

gab13by13

(21,408 posts)
46. I agree, I think it has become a talking point
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 10:13 AM
Oct 2022

that is inconsequential. I think apolitical people probably don't vote.

soldierant

(6,927 posts)
82. That wasn;t the entire pitch, and the theory is based on one which
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 11:26 PM
Oct 2022

goes back to ancient Greecec- and they invented democracy. It was also used successfully by JFK, among others. It's not a bad idea, and it doesn't eliminate discussing detailed plans. But it does get across very quickly and memorably what your detailed plans are about.

You don't need to listen to him, though you can, it's on YouTube. But you can read the article at The Hartmann Report, or at Common Dreeams. His keyword is hendiatris.

Scrivener7

(51,021 posts)
71. 2) Protecting SS and Medicare against the R's VERY real plans to gut them,
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 03:55 PM
Oct 2022

3) Tax fairness - the rich and corporations currently pay proportionally less than the poor and middle class

Orrex

(63,225 posts)
92. I've made a similar observation before
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 07:18 AM
Oct 2022

For all of their countless faults, Republicans are masters of messaging, and the media loves to repeat their soundbyte statements ad infinitum. Almost any Republican policy initiative or agenda can be summarized in a way that lends itself to easy airtime.

Democrats, in tragic contrast, give five-paragraph answers with footnotes and subtitles and cross-references and vague but important allusions to previous five-paragraph answers. As a result, the media often plays either a useless two second clip of a Dem, or the news outlet gives a poor summary of the position, or they skip it altogether and go to a Republican for comment instead.

And as a further result, Democrats seem out of touch or stuffy or too wonky for "average folks" to connect with, even if the actual agenda being put forth would be hugely beneficial to those folks.


This has been the case for as long as I've been politically conscious, and probably for longer than that.

doc03

(35,382 posts)
21. They do, just go to any McDonald's or some other gathering place and you will
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 09:07 AM
Oct 2022

find people "solving the world problems" over coffee. They may be elderly retired people but they
always show up and vote.

gab13by13

(21,408 posts)
48. Good post, I like it,
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 10:16 AM
Oct 2022

but having vigorous debates is what separates us from the Borg, er Magats. As long as we all kiss and make up in the end.

vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
8. But didn't you know?
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 08:42 AM
Oct 2022

They are the true blooded Americans that sit their asses in a diner all day and gossip about what Bubba has been doing on the road.

Who the fuck goes to a diner? you go to a diner to eat a piece of pie and then get the fuck out of hillbilly land

doc03

(35,382 posts)
24. There you go, thinking everyone in the so called flyover country are stupid hillbillies
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 09:18 AM
Oct 2022

is part of our problem. You talk down to people call them rubes and hillbillies don't expect to get their vote.
I can't say why I think we lost Hillary's so called Blue Wall. (I would be silenced)

vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
28. Why would we work for their votes?
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 09:37 AM
Oct 2022

You're never going to get those freaks to change their minds. EVER. They think we are all baby eating soul sucking demonic creatures.

Walleye

(31,062 posts)
40. Yep, a large part of the electorate, particularly evangelical Christians
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 10:02 AM
Oct 2022

Believe that the Democratic Party is the great Satan. I don’t think there’s ever gonna be anyway we can move them off of that. They believe that God will punish them if they vote for Democrats. That’s why discussion of policy and candidates is often a waste of breath. I mean if they can elect Herschel Walker I don’t know what to say

gab13by13

(21,408 posts)
49. Absolutely, and religion plays a big role.
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 10:24 AM
Oct 2022

I should have put religion in quotations.

We have a man running for governor in Pa. who wants to lead God's army against the evil Democratic demons. He also subscribes to QANON. I live among them in central Pa. and they are zombies. I had an ablation that fixed my A-fib 3 years ago and I'm not getting into a screaming match with zombies. I will do zingers at then though. I did a good one at the golf course. The Magats were bashing gay and trans people, I interrupted and suggested that we invite celebrities to our next tournament, I suggested Caitlyn Jenner. You could have heard a pin drop.

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
83. "religion" IMO is your biggest problem.
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 11:43 PM
Oct 2022

The fact that pastors can spout religious "political directives" from their pulpits and not be taxed is horrendous. the fact that pastors can spout religious political directives on the airwaves/cable etc, is also horrendous.

And the fact that 60% (or thereabouts) still believe in a mythical,manmade "god" means that rational Americans will always be the servants of these people -- and therefore must deal with the consequences.

It is to weep......

doc03

(35,382 posts)
55. You take Ohio it has become a red state that doesn't mean everyone votes Republican
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 10:44 AM
Oct 2022

just that a majority does. There are still several million that vote Democrat, Independent or don't vote at all.
Take West Virginia it was solid Blue for decades now it is the deepest Red there are many reasons for that not just race.

Boomerproud

(7,968 posts)
11. Contact CBS with your valid complaint.
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 08:45 AM
Oct 2022

Guess what Jim Jordan is doing in his ad, yep, talking to a very distressed white couple in a diner. They sit there and nod in agreement with everything he says of course. Revolting.

rlaska

(3 posts)
18. Walleye 0. To CBS News: we are sick of hearing what people in diners think
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 08:59 AM
Oct 2022

Amen.
They're talking to a couple in a booth in a Flagstaff diner who probably think Elvis is still alive.

happy feet

(871 posts)
41. Wish I could rec 1,000,000
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 10:04 AM
Oct 2022

The MSM picks up Republican talking points and uses a megaphone to convince us the Rewpub issues are the issues and now abortion is only an issue for 5%. I'm hoping we win and the press has egg on their faces.

gab13by13

(21,408 posts)
50. People underestimate the power of controlling the narrative,
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 10:33 AM
Oct 2022

Democrats have always been behind the 8 ball with MSM owned and managed by right wing domestic oligarchs. COMCAST's top shareholders are BlackRock and Vanguard. I hear all of the time that MSNBC is liberal, it isn't, it just puts a liberal slant on the narrative that the right wants us to talk about.

I hear it's about money, and yet, MSNBC fired a very popular Keith Olbermann, Ed Schultz, and Dylan Ratigan because they all strayed from the narrative.

I only watch Nicolle Wallace, Chris Hayes, and Mehdi Hasan.

I believe no polls. Back in one of Obama's elections, Gallup was a top dog poll, it was way off because it put in bad data. I think 538 has also fallen by the wayside. I go by the number of Fetterman/Shapiro signs I see where I never saw them before.

Walleye

(31,062 posts)
51. I only have basic cable so I don't get the cable news stations
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 10:35 AM
Oct 2022

I haven’t missed them at all, but somehow they’re set narrative creeps into everything

ripcord

(5,537 posts)
52. Anyone who is complaining about people putting the economy first need to think again
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 10:35 AM
Oct 2022

When people are having to work more hours simply to exist and aren't sure if they are going to be able to pay their bills that is going to be their first concern because they have to deal with it constantly every day. Anyone who is complaining about people considering this the most important issue to them needs to STFU.

hay rick

(7,643 posts)
53. Diner interviews are a way of fellating the boss.
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 10:36 AM
Oct 2022

Want to keep the narrative on Republican talking points? Results guaranteed.

Aristus

(66,467 posts)
57. If I want to know if the biscuits and gravy is good, I'll ask one of those lame-brained, loitering
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 10:53 AM
Oct 2022

assholes. How to make the country a better place? I'll ask someone else, thanks. And it will involve getting rid of the lame-brained, loitering assholes.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,197 posts)
62. They spent 4 years telling us what the "winners" think.
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 12:42 PM
Oct 2022

Now it looks like they'll spend 4 years telling us what the LOSERS think.

See? Fair and Balanced coverage!

Polybius

(15,492 posts)
65. When did diners become political anyway?
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 12:48 PM
Oct 2022

My local dinner constantly has Fox and MSNBC on all of their TV's. Well, at least there's something for everyone I guess.

lees1975

(3,879 posts)
72. I watched a local news outlet interview people in a diner in Youngstown, Ohio this week
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 04:02 PM
Oct 2022

that a friend recorded and sent to me. Reporter comes through the door, there are about 10 customers and a few employees in there, he asks a guy at the first booth he comes to if he'd answer a few questions. The guy says yes, and they get to the bottom line, he's voting for Tim Ryan. There's applause all through the diner. Reporter asks, "Is there any one in here supporting J.D. Vance?" Silence. None, no one, nada.

And the reporter exits.

JHB

(37,162 posts)
75. If you want to know what those red state people really think, look for their "blue dot" neighbors
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 07:06 PM
Oct 2022

Y'know, the liberals out in Trumpland. You'll get a better "read" on the sTrumpets by asking the people who hear what they say on a regular basis, not what they say when their rattling off their "correct" responses to "lamestream" reporters.

Most of the liberals in that situation aren't loud about their views, so the Trumpies freely sound off because they assume agreement. They give their neighbors the straight dope, not people from CBS, the NYT, CNN, etc.

Oh, and ask the liberals why they aren't loud about their views. In a lot of cases there's real fear at work.

Orrex

(63,225 posts)
79. In 16 & 20 they scoured redneck shitholes in western PA to learn how PA felt about Clinton & Biden
Thu Oct 20, 2022, 09:04 PM
Oct 2022

And then they used that deliberately Trump-skewed sample to declare that Trump was a strong contender in Pennsylvania.

It's false to say that the media loves a horse-race; they love to push the Republican into the lead and then report on how the Democrat is struggling to catch up.

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
84. It's essentially campaign ads for the GOP.
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 12:05 AM
Oct 2022

None of the idiots are asked why they think that Republicans
Would fix anything.

Warpy

(111,359 posts)
87. Looking for bedrock, simple, salt of the earth people
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 01:29 AM
Oct 2022

You know, morons. It's why they avoid the big cities, they're searching for a cracker barrel America that went out with the Dust Bowl, buying into the myth that diner patrons in small towns are somehow more genuine than the rest of us.

I hate it too. They'll spend loads of time in diners, but they won't inform anyone about the differences between candidates. It's another reason I turned the bastards off.

Let me know if they ever get a new shtik, the small town freak show was hoary with age 40 years ago.

SunSeeker

(51,726 posts)
88. Why don't they ever ask the people WHAT they think Republicans would do to bring down inflation?
Fri Oct 21, 2022, 01:46 AM
Oct 2022

The media suggests that the GOP has an inflation plan and that's why people "prefer Republicans on the economy." Why don't they ever ask these people, ON AIR, what they think Republicans will do to bring down the world price of oil? Why don't they ask them, are you doing better financially TODAY than you were in JANUARY 2020?

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