Georgia Says A Fetus Is A Person. The Implications Are Terrifying.

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New: What happens when a state values a fetus more than a pregnant person? The answer is about to play out in Georgia.

I spoke with legal experts, physicians & lawmakers about Georgia's new fetal personhood law. They're all terrified of what's to come.

huffpost.com
Georgia Says A Fetus Is A Person. The Implications Are Terrifying.
There's a uniquely dangerous provision in Georgia's abortion ban that paves the way for criminalizing pregnant people.
5:30 AM · Oct 20, 2022

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/georgia-says-a-fetus-is-a-person-the-implications-are-terrifying_n_634f09afe4b03e8038d8fbae


Marshae Jones was five months pregnant when she was arrested for being shot in the stomach.

It was 2019, and Jones got into a fight in the parking lot of a Dollar General just outside of Birmingham, Alabama. It escalated until a woman pulled out a gun and shot her. After being rushed to the hospital, Jones was in stable condition, but the shooting caused her to miscarry.
Jones, then 28 with a young daughter, was arrested. A grand jury returned an indictment for felony manslaughter, stating that Jones “intentionally caused the death” of her fetus “by initiating a fight knowing she was five months pregnant.” She faced 20 years in prison.

Jones spent time in jail, and her name and mug shot were splashed across front pages as the case drew national attention. But the charge was eventually dropped, in part because Alabama’s manslaughter statute prohibits women from being prosecuted for their pregnancy outcomes. Prosecutors also concluded that pursuing charges against Jones was “not in the best interest of justice.”

Vesting fetuses with full legal rights would have unintended and unfair consequences for women like Jones, which prosecutors belatedly realized. But such consequences have been a goal of the anti-abortion movement for years. After this summer’s Supreme Court decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, which ended nationwide abortion rights, these efforts could endanger any pregnant person in any state that enacts “fetal personhood” laws.

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[SheltieLover]

1. This is fking ridiculous!

[ZonkerHarris]

3. Fetuses need to sue red states for better healthcare

[Bernardo de La Paz]

11. +1. . . nt

[Just_Vote_Dem]

4. OK, this is insanity

PLEASE VOTE EVERYONE!!!!!!

[dlk]

5. Republicans taking the subjugation of women to the extreme

And they are only just getting started.

[sakabatou]

6. Georgia GOP to women: you are now brood mares for the state.

[patphil]

7. Fetal personhood is builshit.

You have to be a person first, and a fetus isn't a person. Personhood implies a personality, something a fetus is incapable of having.
You have to be born and have experiences in life to develop a personality.
A human fetus is no different than a fetus in the womb of a cat, dog, or any other mammal.
The difference doesn't occur until a human baby is born and takes it's first independent breath, at which point the angel that will connect to that body breaths a soul into it.
No breath, no soul.
It's not a sin to have an abortion. The sin is in forcing a woman to give birth to a baby she doesn't want. It's an act of brutality against both the mother and the child.

[BOSSHOG]

13. "Act of Brutality"

Thank You teammate. That is exactly what the Republican Party is today regardless of issue. An act of Brutality.

Pence and his zealots don’t give a flying dog fuck about baby’s. It’s all about power and control. Sane people know conservatives don’t know how to use power and control. Ergo the panic.

[Walleye]

8. Let's ask the fetuses what they think. Maybe take a poll. OK sorry

[multigraincracker]

9. If a fetus is a person, then a person

can claim to be a fetus. I want all of my fetal rights restored.

[onecaliberal]

12. This is a brilliant argument. They have no comeback for.

[Stargleamer]

10. I'm surprised Georgia stopped there

and didn't just declare a fertilized egg, or at least an embryo, a person

[Hekate]

19. I think that's what the farthest out of them believe. They have their eyes on IVF for the infertile

Remember the “snowflake” hysteria a decade or so back? That was about frozen zygotes languishing unused in the deep-freezes of fertility clinics. A lot are created that don’t get implanted. I mean, who in their right mind will try for the dozen or so “spares” when they already managed to get a pair of healthy twins?

But there are crazy people out there, ready to swear that IVF involves abortion.

[NEOBuckeye]

14. Republicans/Conservatives are sick, demented, fucked up people.

If a fetus is a person with legal rights, by this fucked-up twisted logic, shits should also be treated as "persons" with legal rights, too.

Does that mean flushing a toilet is committing murder?

Can they build a prison big enough to house us all?

What fucked up people. They have completely lost their minds and any sense of reason or proportionality.

[Warpy]

15. Being human was nice while it lasted, wasn't it?

Now of course we're only lifestock, and if we want our rights to bodily autonomy, it's only through suicide that we can get them back.

Yes, a corpse has a right to bodily autonomy. Living women do not.

Think about that one, self righteous assholes.

[FakeNoose]

16. If a fetus is a person, then every pregnant woman gets to vote twice

Just sayin'

[LudwigPastorius]

17. Republicans: Corporations and fetuses are people.

Women? Not so much.

[KentuckyWoman]

18. If the fetus kills Mom do they go to jail?

The can o' worms is big on this one.

[Nevilledog]

22. And if the fetus is causing you to bleed out, an abortion is self-defense

[AdamGG]

20. And once the fetus is born, the Republicans don't want to help it at all...

Like many things, George Carlin summed this up really well.

[localroger]

21. Vasectomy inquiries have doubled in states with these stupid laws

Well they can be reversed now, but can tubal ligations be far behind? Especially when these same atavistic monsters want to make birth control illegal too? The thing is you need to take quick action if you're pregnant and need an abortion, but even if they make birth control illegal it's much more difficult to prove that you visited a snip clinic on your vacation to Europe. How will they react when demographically meaningful numbers of people start to do it? And if you're a women who'se gotten snipped, you still have IVF if you decide you really want to try for a family. Turns parenthood from an opt-out to an opt-in proposition.

[purr-rat beauty]

23. and....what about all the Social Services/Medical care/Housing the pregnant woman may need...

....but is denied

is that attempted murder (of the fetus...who f'ing cares about the woman apparently) by the state?

[dchill]

24. This is what happens when every Republican in elected office...

...is at once allowed to be politician, lawyer, doctor and direct representative of God Almighty.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

25. Slave states and free states ...

Roe, Roe, Roe your vote
against theocracy!
Republicans revoke your rights
and kill democracy!

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