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skip fox

(19,359 posts)
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 11:34 AM Oct 2022

Anti-Women. Anti-Democracy. Pro-Putin. How can we be losing?

Poor messaging.

These three items would trump what right-wing media focuses on (inflation, crime, immigration) if Democrats would stress them and not simply be defensive about the others.

Esp. the anti-woman since the issue is far from theoretical.

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Anti-Women. Anti-Democracy. Pro-Putin. How can we be losing? (Original Post) skip fox Oct 2022 OP
Racism. lindysalsagal Oct 2022 #1
I don't believe we are losing. MontanaMama Oct 2022 #2
Boy, I hope you're right. skip fox Oct 2022 #8
Dem machine doesn't seem engaged this cycle, and blm Oct 2022 #3
We're against historical headwinds iemanja Oct 2022 #4
"How are we losing?" Sympthsical Oct 2022 #5
Inflation is not simply a U.S. problem. skip fox Oct 2022 #7
This isn't an answer Sympthsical Oct 2022 #11
Because, "global" it actually is? And if any watcher thinks the far-right will "fix" it... Justice matters. Oct 2022 #12
Thank you Sympthsical Oct 2022 #18
We should deal with it but not dwell on it, especially when we have such dire warnings. skip fox Oct 2022 #14
And that's what's hurting us Sympthsical Oct 2022 #17
I'm not convinced we're losing but Elessar Zappa Oct 2022 #6
I must disagree. IF they "thought" with their wallets, they would never vote for a repug... Ferrets are Cool Oct 2022 #19
Don't fall for RW and media spin mcar Oct 2022 #9
We aren't. But keep trying to convince us we are wrong. LakeArenal Oct 2022 #10
maybe we just have become a nation of a@@holes dembotoz Oct 2022 #13
At 75 I agree. skip fox Oct 2022 #15
Its a patriarchal system jcgoldie Oct 2022 #16
Inflation AggressiveCanary Oct 2022 #20
Because they don't understand what will happen if the Repuks win. icymist Oct 2022 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author traitorsgalore Oct 2022 #22

MontanaMama

(23,337 posts)
2. I don't believe we are losing.
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 11:36 AM
Oct 2022

Don’t believe the polls and the MSM. They have a vested interest in making it appear Democrats are losing.

Sympthsical

(9,121 posts)
5. "How are we losing?"
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 11:39 AM
Oct 2022

*doesn't make inflation a top three concern*

I mean . . . uh . . . it's kind of that right there, to be honest.

I continue to be flabbergasted at just how determined people are to not understand that inflationary economic conditions have hammered Americans and it's what they care a lot about right now.

This refusal to understand feels intentional at this point. Honestly. I have no other explanation.

(Note: I don't think we're losing. I just think it's close, coin toss, up in the air - and things can change in two and a half weeks).

skip fox

(19,359 posts)
7. Inflation is not simply a U.S. problem.
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 11:49 AM
Oct 2022

We should point that out, sympathize with people, and then go on the offense with the treatment of women, the impeding loss of democracy, and now with Republicans' cold feet concerning Ukraine.

Sympthsical

(9,121 posts)
11. This isn't an answer
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 12:01 PM
Oct 2022

And I'm stymied why people keep saying this. "It's a global problem." I mean, yes, that is very true. But it's also not an answer.

The question isn't "What's the deal with inflation?" The question is, "What are you going to do about it?"

I saw a clip of the President last week, where he's sitting there eating an ice cream cone, asked about inflation, and answers with how amazing and awesome the economy is.

And I just . . . face-palmed. So hard. If you imagine that clip got played everywhere on the Right, you're only ordinarily prescient.

People are hurting. They want to know what politicians will do. If both sides don't offer solutions, the default choice becomes, "Current people aren't working. Let's try other people." Even if we know it doesn't work (just like changing lanes constantly on a highway is making it worse) people still do it because of the perception it will be better.

Inflation is global. Yes, and winter is cold. These are neat facts to know. Still need to pay my heating bill, though. How are efforts at helping with that going?

Identifying the problem isn't the answer. The solution is the answer. This is Politics 101.

Republicans always have solutions. They're often terrible ones, but they do have them. "Cut spending, stop immigration!" Probably won't work, but it's what they're offering. What are we offering for inflation besides this tepid, "Well, you know, it's global."

Justice matters.

(6,943 posts)
12. Because, "global" it actually is? And if any watcher thinks the far-right will "fix" it...
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 12:15 PM
Oct 2022

and vote for them to "punish" liberals, they are fooling themselves.

The Fascist far-right in power will only make inflation a thousand times worse!

skip fox

(19,359 posts)
14. We should deal with it but not dwell on it, especially when we have such dire warnings.
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 12:41 PM
Oct 2022

My instinct is to be defensive, but I realize with such stakes we should go on the offensive.

We should talk about the threats to women's rights to governing their own body and the public's right to vote and have that vote counted and recorded accurately as well as the world's need to stand behind Ukraine.

I'm not belittling inflation (I'm retired and living on a fixed income), but I know when we're on the defense we're on their territory and they are ruthless (have you seen the thousands of clips, some using night vision, of migrants coming over the border on FOx?) we're losing.

But they are losing with women's rights and democracy. Their arguments are frail when not farfetched. Let's talk about inflation/crime/migration but pivot, a.s.a.p. to our strengths.

Sympthsical

(9,121 posts)
17. And that's what's hurting us
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 01:01 PM
Oct 2022

"Don't dwell on it."

Hell, some approaches are, "Don't even mention it" or "Blatantly ignore it," which is not what voters want as a response. That's why the President's answer last week was so head-shaking.

I got into an argument with some DUers - and I wish I were kidding - over whether or not grocery prices were increasing. How head in the sand is deep enough while we're busily not "dwelling on it"? If you want to signal to voters, "Hey, I don't give a fuck what you're dealing with," I cannot think of a more effective way to do so.

And the answer is to call people pro-Putin? As if the electorate is engaged in the same Twitter slapfights social media addicts are. It's so wildly out of touch. I just cannot fathom it. We're going to need cranes to get some people out of the dunes they're managing.

I agree on reproductive rights. We should be hammering it. I feel like going after it vigorously has not been happening as much as it should.

January 6th is literally at the bottom of the priority lists in numerous polls. Just absolutely not a thing. People need to stop with that for a few weeks. It doesn't resonate, no one cares. I'm not saying people don't have an opinion on it - they do. Ask someone a question about anything and they'll have an opinion on it. But they don't care. It's not a priority, they're not waking up thinking about it every day.

Elessar Zappa

(14,077 posts)
6. I'm not convinced we're losing but
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 11:41 AM
Oct 2022

if we do, it will be because of inflation. Many people don’t think deeper than their wallet.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,110 posts)
19. I must disagree. IF they "thought" with their wallets, they would never vote for a repug...
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 01:23 PM
Oct 2022

THEY CAN'T THINK DEEPER THAN THE LETTER R.

mcar

(42,376 posts)
9. Don't fall for RW and media spin
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 11:57 AM
Oct 2022

We are not losing. Maybe do some canvassing or phone banking with your Democratic Party.

LakeArenal

(28,847 posts)
10. We aren't. But keep trying to convince us we are wrong.
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 11:57 AM
Oct 2022

Can’t anyone wait two more weeks to complain and moan?

skip fox

(19,359 posts)
15. At 75 I agree.
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 12:44 PM
Oct 2022

I won't have to live long on a dying planet or in a country that only pretends to be democratic, but my children and grandchildren will.

So my age is cold comfort. Cold indeed.

jcgoldie

(11,651 posts)
16. Its a patriarchal system
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 12:46 PM
Oct 2022

Sexism is ingrained in conservative people of both sexes. Not to mention the reactionary racist anti-immigrant backlash due in large part to low self esteem and perceived loss of privilege.

icymist

(15,888 posts)
21. Because they don't understand what will happen if the Repuks win.
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 01:57 PM
Oct 2022

Last night I was telling my 70yo roommate (who has always voted Democratic) that the Republicans would abolish Social Security, Medicare, and Medicade. He didn't know this. Nobody is saying this to him. He actually didn't believe me.

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