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Joinfortmill

(14,425 posts)
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 09:56 PM Oct 2022

There are two things preventing Trump from ending democracy: concentration camp expert

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-lacks-2-things-to-end-democracy-concentration-camp-expert-says-there-is-time-to-stop-him/

My God:

'Andrea Pitzer is the author of the 2017 book, One Long Night A Global History of Concentration Camps, and explained her perspective in a thread posted to Twitter on Saturday.'

"Unfortunately, despite Trump's loss of the election in 2020, he has remained a significant threat to the country... "That said, there are two key areas still missing from the common template for ending democracy and establishing strong authoritarian rule: unambiguous support from the military and a court system willing to consistently defer to the executive... I think it's not impossible for the army & courts to surrender eventually, but he's not there yet. And neither is any other Trump rival. I offer this not to reassure but instead to say there's still room to work. More than 50% of surveyed voters view him somewhat/very unfavorably."

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There are two things preventing Trump from ending democracy: concentration camp expert (Original Post) Joinfortmill Oct 2022 OP
To retain support from the military, Hitler had the leaders of the Brownshirts murdered Kaleva Oct 2022 #1
I think he came pretty damn close to having those two things. nt doc03 Oct 2022 #2
Definitely a lot closer than any person who values freedom that KPN Oct 2022 #5
He never came remotely close to having the military in his corner. brooklynite Oct 2022 #8
This localroger Oct 2022 #9
30 years of Hate Radio had drilled it right out of them maxrandb Oct 2022 #14
I wish I was that optimistic. January 6th was a dress rehearsal for the doc03 Oct 2022 #13
Michael Flynn is NOT in the military. brooklynite Oct 2022 #15
He was a general and why hasn't he been recalled to duty and locked up? As long doc03 Oct 2022 #16
And if "the military Brass" unilaterally grabbed a civilian to hold a military trial... brooklynite Oct 2022 #19
A former officer in the military can be recalled and doc03 Oct 2022 #22
Isn't his brother, who holds the same thoughts and has been to rallies still in the military? debm55 Oct 2022 #23
I am not sure he has been to rallies but it appears doc03 Oct 2022 #24
He goes to Flynn's rallies. Forget what they are called. but they do have a name. debm55 Oct 2022 #26
Brother of Flynn, Pacific Duty now. Captain Zero Oct 2022 #27
The courts have consistently handed him his ass on a platter Takket Oct 2022 #10
I'm not sure the SC will go along with ISL theory; they value their own power too much.. Volaris Oct 2022 #12
That's How I Lean, Too ProfessorGAC Oct 2022 #28
+1, way too close for me. Still don't know why it took 3hrs for military to react to J6 uponit7771 Oct 2022 #30
The federalist society owns five votes on fake SCOTUS... JT45242 Oct 2022 #3
But if Flynn is recalled and NOT Court Martialed? Captain Zero Oct 2022 #29
Trump, or a smarter Rep. rival, will go straight at undermining the military and the judiciary Silent3 Oct 2022 #4
There should be a third thing: Millions of Americans who refuse to allow it to happen. CaptainTruth Oct 2022 #6
Yes, but let's also be realistic. Metaphorical Oct 2022 #7
It did not begin nor will it end end with Trump pecosbob Oct 2022 #11
Yes. Gangsters Of Putin merged with the U.S. Taliban, directed by Fascist Oligarch eXtremists. Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2022 #31
I cannot fathom how any rational person can view Trump favorably. milestogo Oct 2022 #17
Stupid. Easily manipulated. dwayneb Oct 2022 #18
Hit it spot on. A very high majority of magats are uneducated and listen and watch the constant debm55 Oct 2022 #25
IMO the threat of Trump and the resultant US if he gained power again is still not recognized RKP5637 Oct 2022 #20
👍 Joinfortmill Oct 2022 #21
Well, at least that's something. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2022 #32

Kaleva

(36,304 posts)
1. To retain support from the military, Hitler had the leaders of the Brownshirts murdered
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 10:10 PM
Oct 2022

Trump's main support lies with the Magahats. He's not going to marginalize them in order to curry favour with the military and capitalists.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
5. Definitely a lot closer than any person who values freedom that
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 11:43 PM
Oct 2022

entails equal rights for all would be comfortable with. We need to squelch Trump’s reincarnation of Nazism now, in 2022, if we want to be sure we will have that chance once and for all in 2024.

brooklynite

(94,581 posts)
8. He never came remotely close to having the military in his corner.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 12:12 AM
Oct 2022

And our Federal structure makes it a lot harder to override State and local police.

localroger

(3,626 posts)
9. This
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 12:21 AM
Oct 2022

Had the Jan 6 insurrection gotten much further I doubt the military would have gone along with it. Civilian control is almost a religion among our military leaders, and I don't see them going along with a Panama-style coup. It's been drilled into them from childhood that that's not what the US military does.

doc03

(35,340 posts)
13. I wish I was that optimistic. January 6th was a dress rehearsal for the
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 08:57 AM
Oct 2022

next time. If they get elected again they know what needs changed. They already have the SCOTUS and if they get
in power again what will it be 7 to 2 or 8 to 1 on the SCOTUS. Michael Flynn is not the only potential traitor in the military.
If that is not so, why hasn't Michael Flynn been locked up?

doc03

(35,340 posts)
16. He was a general and why hasn't he been recalled to duty and locked up? As long
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 09:52 AM
Oct 2022

as he is free I have my doubts about the military brass.

brooklynite

(94,581 posts)
19. And if "the military Brass" unilaterally grabbed a civilian to hold a military trial...
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 10:29 AM
Oct 2022

…I’d be a lot more worried. That would be a decision by civilian authority. You, know, the guy President Biden picked?

We don ‘t use the military as a “quick fix” for civilian criminals.

doc03

(35,340 posts)
22. A former officer in the military can be recalled and
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 04:39 PM
Oct 2022

charged with sadition. He took an oath to our Contitution.

doc03

(35,340 posts)
24. I am not sure he has been to rallies but it appears
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 04:48 PM
Oct 2022

he could have been in on coup himself. He will still there
for next J6, can he be trusted? Thank Gawd Milley was there this time. An officer can removed from command Truman did it with McArther. He caught hell for it though.
Like Truman said the Republicans say I give them hell
I just tell the truth and think it is hell. Look what Trump did with Colonel Vindman.

debm55

(25,214 posts)
26. He goes to Flynn's rallies. Forget what they are called. but they do have a name.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 04:58 PM
Oct 2022

And he is still active duty.

Captain Zero

(6,806 posts)
27. Brother of Flynn, Pacific Duty now.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 05:02 PM
Oct 2022

They got him out of the Pentagon. Sent him far out to the Pacific. Something says hre is not really making any decisions. I would think the Army has grounds to monitor his communications.

Takket

(21,572 posts)
10. The courts have consistently handed him his ass on a platter
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 12:26 AM
Oct 2022

He’s gotten no relief at all there in his efforts to overthrow democracy.

However the ISL case coming to SCOTUS in December would effectively remove the courts from that equation and that might end the USA for good.

Volaris

(10,271 posts)
12. I'm not sure the SC will go along with ISL theory; they value their own power too much..
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 04:43 AM
Oct 2022

(Which in this case, is EXACTLY how the framers intended Seperation of Powers to work).

ProfessorGAC

(65,044 posts)
28. That's How I Lean, Too
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 05:04 PM
Oct 2022

I don't see them siding with a theory that renders them useless in a very high % of the cases they hear.

JT45242

(2,278 posts)
3. The federalist society owns five votes on fake SCOTUS...
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 10:15 PM
Oct 2022

Flynn has not been court martialed,...

Not so far from having the trifecta.

Captain Zero

(6,806 posts)
29. But if Flynn is recalled and NOT Court Martialed?
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 05:14 PM
Oct 2022

Then he's a member of the military again. Could that be why it hasn't been done,?

Silent3

(15,216 posts)
4. Trump, or a smarter Rep. rival, will go straight at undermining the military and the judiciary
Sat Oct 22, 2022, 11:03 PM
Oct 2022

Trump is an idiot, but even he and his lackeys have figured that much out.

They've already done a good job of undermining portions of the judiciary, and there are, I'm sure, currently Trumpists in the military waiting for the right critical mass of corruption to be reached.

Metaphorical

(1,603 posts)
7. Yes, but let's also be realistic.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 12:04 AM
Oct 2022

Biden has been moving new judges into the judiciary at a record pace, and if we keep the Senate, that will continue. Moreover, not every Trump judge was corrupt (though most were Heritage Foundation). That really didn't happen much before TFGs third year, when it was becoming obvious his own corruption was really coming to light.

I'm not saying that the danger isn't there, but it's very easy to panic and lose sight of the real battles.

pecosbob

(7,541 posts)
11. It did not begin nor will it end end with Trump
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 02:37 AM
Oct 2022

It began in earnest under Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich and the 'moral majority'. That morphed into the Tea Party, and that morphed into MAGA. A long history of diminishing our civil rights in the name of profits...money = speech, ag-gag laws, criminalizing protest, and now this sovereign state we can overturn your vote if we want to BS.

dwayneb

(768 posts)
18. Stupid. Easily manipulated.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 10:01 AM
Oct 2022

It is not that they are crazy.

When people do not have critical thinking skills, and they are exposed to a propaganda machine like the Fascist Right is operating, it's easy to foist someone like Trump onto a country. We have seen this many times in history, just look at how Hitler came to power.

debm55

(25,214 posts)
25. Hit it spot on. A very high majority of magats are uneducated and listen and watch the constant
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 04:51 PM
Oct 2022

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throb of hate news. You know what I hate---I turn my computer on in the morning and
EVERY single news block is filled with Trump or news relating to Trump. Why is getting all this time? If I wanted to know what trump was up to or what he said, I would watch one the Fascist channels.



RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
20. IMO the threat of Trump and the resultant US if he gained power again is still not recognized
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 10:57 AM
Oct 2022

IMO by many Americans. Far too many Americans can't even be bothered to vote. Far too many Americans can't even seem to comprehend what is going on in the US. And far too many Americans appear to not even have had any education whatsoever in civics for the US.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
32. Well, at least that's something.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 09:49 PM
Oct 2022

However, I am so disappointed that we come to a place where anyone could observe TFG for more than a few minutes and not see him for the sleazy, authoritarian-loving fraud he is.

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