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fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 07:27 AM Oct 2022

The responses to my retirement post are a real eye opener.

They verified what I have believed for a very long time. Our work place culture is deranged, toxic, sick.

I was happy to read some people found careers they loved and they do not want to retire. Some doctors love helping people and continue to work. That's a good thing.

Many people lived the same nightmare I lived during my work career. It looks like teachers are dealing with a deranged work place. That is not a good thing.

I was a blue collar worker. I worked many different types of jobs. I noticed a big change in the work place culture between the 70s and 80s. Things have gotten worse since then. Jobs attempted to claim ownership of their employees. They wanted to control, monitor you down to the last minute of the day. Some times jobs wanted to control you when you were not at work .Doing a good job was never good enough which drove me crazy.

During my work career I used to argue with management and the union. I told both of them what you are doing is counter productive. Driving, harassing, the workers hurts productivity. The goal should be to make your workers happy, not miserable. Management and the union were in a constant state of war. What a waste of time and money. Many of the good workers would leave, retire early, quit, get new jobs. How is that good for anybody?

I will not bore with all the details of what happened to me during my work career. I am lucky I am still sane. Here are some examples. Management attempting to steal our pay. Bosses spying on you at work and at home. Setting up workers to fail because the boss didn't like you. The boss didn't like you not because you were a bad worker. The boss didn't like you because you wouldn't kiss their ass.

Forced overtime. Forced to work your days off with no warning. Moving your job to a different city. You can either move or quit. The list goes on and on.

The work place culture over the years became something I could not comprehend. I always saw the workplace, a job, as a partnership. The employer and employee working together to get the job done. My job was to show up on time everyday, do my job correctly and on time. That's it. That became something that was not good enough for the work place in America.

This is why retirement is such a great relief for many people.

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The responses to my retirement post are a real eye opener. (Original Post) fightforfreedom Oct 2022 OP
That is a very clear explanation. I agree totally Walleye Oct 2022 #1
It's the job that makes you smoke and drink. fightforfreedom Oct 2022 #2
Yup, but the drinking only works against you in the end. It's a mine field out there. Joinfortmill Oct 2022 #20
My last job was in a terrible public library XanaDUer2 Oct 2022 #65
I worked in a library like that. murielm99 Oct 2022 #86
Wow. Fortunately, my local library shows no signs wnylib Oct 2022 #97
I think for most people genxlib Oct 2022 #3
Those golden handcuffs are real. Pacifist Patriot Oct 2022 #55
I can totally relate to your experiences. I also worked in a similar environment. walkingman Oct 2022 #4
Thank you for that Honest. post. True Blue American Oct 2022 #13
Yup, unions help the little guy and gal. Joinfortmill Oct 2022 #16
Love this. Joinfortmill Oct 2022 #17
Until It Happens To You FrankTC Oct 2022 #5
True. The workplace can be a very dark place and very bad for your health. Joinfortmill Oct 2022 #15
A toxic work environment almost killed me. Pacifist Patriot Oct 2022 #54
Google "work trauma". I went through that more than once, raccoon Oct 2022 #76
It can simply eat you up, nibble by nibble, little bite by little bite. calimary Oct 2022 #98
I worked for a SHIT company for 20 years. I am so happy running my own now... Ferrets are Cool Oct 2022 #6
I know this is a very serious topic, but cyclonefence Oct 2022 #7
That made me chuckle. Ferrets are Cool Oct 2022 #9
I was surprised to see how anxious people were to share their thoughts and experiences 70sEraVet Oct 2022 #8
You did the same thing my Son did. True Blue American Oct 2022 #18
I think that many middle management managers are treated like a dog, so they feel it necessary Chainfire Oct 2022 #10
While Likely True... ProfessorGAC Oct 2022 #71
i settled down to raise a fam just in time. mopinko Oct 2022 #11
And you sound contented True Blue American Oct 2022 #21
i am but the big thing i chose was to dump my hubs. lol. mopinko Oct 2022 #24
But you made the right decision for you and your family. True Blue American Oct 2022 #67
the kids were grown by the time we divorced, mopinko Oct 2022 #70
I worked in the corporate sector. Very toxic. Need to find at least one mentor to survive. Joinfortmill Oct 2022 #12
Me too. Then I guided my children away from such a career. GoodRaisin Oct 2022 #104
👍 Joinfortmill Oct 2022 #105
👍 Joinfortmill Oct 2022 #106
The reference to teachers caught my attention..I retired 17 years ago. 3Hotdogs Oct 2022 #14
Toxic Teaching Environments.... McKim Oct 2022 #41
Was there ever a time in history when work for most was fulfilling and rewarding? Kaleva Oct 2022 #19
Not for some!:) True Blue American Oct 2022 #22
When I starting working in the 70s the work place was not as toxic. It was more laid back. fightforfreedom Oct 2022 #28
Thanks to ronnie raygun, wildcat striking became illegal SouthernDem4ever Oct 2022 #30
It's changed a lot. Used to be much different and laid back by comparison. Now the "health care" Evolve Dammit Oct 2022 #40
This is why we need True Blue American Oct 2022 #68
yep. I'm a Bernie/Liz supporter so you know where I'm at with universal health care. Evolve Dammit Oct 2022 #72
Think of the thousands of years before child labor laws, unions, social security and duch Kaleva Oct 2022 #43
Life was hard Random Boomer Oct 2022 #38
Life was a struggle and people took what ever work they could get. Kaleva Oct 2022 #47
it's a tired old saw but onethatcares Oct 2022 #60
So right snowybirdie Oct 2022 #23
I turned in my notice at one job wnylib Oct 2022 #100
Work turned to shit when..... jimmil Oct 2022 #25
Whenever I started a new job Mr.Bill Oct 2022 #79
this is my 3rd week of retirement littlewolf Oct 2022 #26
From a female point of view- milestogo Oct 2022 #27
I believe you. fightforfreedom Oct 2022 #31
I became an expert at handling sexual harrassment malaise Oct 2022 #36
Ha! That is great. And the reference to Bolt made me smile Evolve Dammit Oct 2022 #42
Most of the assholes are terrified of their wives malaise Oct 2022 #48
sounds about right. It's time for more rights for women and I hope we can retain House control to Evolve Dammit Oct 2022 #64
I worked in an office with two men who never stopped talking about milestogo Oct 2022 #51
I loved my profession malaise Oct 2022 #29
Oooo, that sounds like something I would have fun doing. Pacifist Patriot Oct 2022 #56
I'd love to learn more about this. jmbar2 Oct 2022 #62
I would like to know more about this, too! ShazzieB Oct 2022 #74
Lol doctors. carpetbagger Oct 2022 #32
The key to freedom is being able to walk away from a job at all times. The Jungle 1 Oct 2022 #33
Good unions can make a big difference in people lives. fightforfreedom Oct 2022 #34
30 years to the day, I worked in a large factory. multigraincracker Oct 2022 #35
100% correct wendyb-NC Oct 2022 #37
Perspective of an engineer dwayneb Oct 2022 #39
"...giant soulless corporations". That sounds right.... Evolve Dammit Oct 2022 #44
Your post is another example of what I am talking about. fightforfreedom Oct 2022 #45
Engineer here too Johnny2X2X Oct 2022 #50
Union! True Blue American Oct 2022 #69
This is a true story. fightforfreedom Oct 2022 #52
Tom Smykowski in "Office Space" resonated with me. Pinback Oct 2022 #46
Must have seen it at least 10 times malaise Oct 2022 #57
Office Space - in my top 10 dwayneb Oct 2022 #94
I've dealt with similar issues. I totally feel you The Third Doctor Oct 2022 #49
I worked as a computer programmer SouthernLiberal Oct 2022 #53
When I got out of the military after 20+ years, Farmer-Rick Oct 2022 #58
Good post. fightforfreedom Oct 2022 #63
The worst, scariest thing that happened to me at work was this. fightforfreedom Oct 2022 #59
I dealt with many of the same issues at my old job Woodwizard Oct 2022 #61
Work most certainly is toxic for a lot of people. Perhaps even most. Jedi Guy Oct 2022 #66
"Management and the union were in a constant state of war." LudwigPastorius Oct 2022 #73
The Episcopal Priest this morning says he's ready to retire - again. SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2022 #75
I don't feel so alone in my experience because you shared your story. Alwaysna Oct 2022 #77
I worked for a liberal organization whose work I support. Yet I had a very bad boss who wanted to CTyankee Oct 2022 #78
Your first job ymetca Oct 2022 #80
I'm close to retirement. BradBo Oct 2022 #81
My workplace is deranged. Hoping to retire within 5 years. onecaliberal Oct 2022 #82
Mine was deranged, too XanaDUer2 Oct 2022 #83
It is incredibly difficult to get through. onecaliberal Oct 2022 #84
when I hear fellow Booomers saying younger workers aren't as "loyal" Skittles Oct 2022 #85
Soon as I hit 62, I'm out of the workforce. Xolodno Oct 2022 #87
I for one loved your post. I'm sorry that others aren't being supportive. Shipwack Oct 2022 #88
I was stuck in teaching due to health insurance... BigmanPigman Oct 2022 #89
Work is a toxic, draining thing to do. Aussie105 Oct 2022 #90
I, too, am waiting to become myself again XanaDUer2 Oct 2022 #107
The "greed is good" snot Oct 2022 #91
Most jobs suck NJCher Oct 2022 #92
Even those of us who like helping people are having difficulty now. I'm a Physical Therapist and at LT Barclay Oct 2022 #93
I liked all my jobs. Cracklin Charlie Oct 2022 #95
I'm still working part-time after 50... JoeOtterbein Oct 2022 #96
I hear ya! A lot of my fellow teachers were mad at me becaue I spoke up when our contract Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2022 #99
Actually, in a lot of ways, it got better for women between the late fifties when I first joined appleannie1 Oct 2022 #101
I loved working - still busy at 83 dem in texas Oct 2022 #102
Japan is horribly worse. betsuni Oct 2022 #103

Walleye

(31,025 posts)
1. That is a very clear explanation. I agree totally
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 07:40 AM
Oct 2022

I remember when I was working and filling out forms for the health insurance and they charged you $50 more a month for smoking. And I would always say something like, “hell, it’s the job that kills you”

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
2. It's the job that makes you smoke and drink.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 07:48 AM
Oct 2022

So many people I worked with over the years would head straight to the bar after work. That's how they dealt with the stress. They would drink everyday. Many of them have died young. I was a weekend warrior during my work career. I would party on the weekends to blow off steam.

XanaDUer2

(10,677 posts)
65. My last job was in a terrible public library
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 11:15 AM
Oct 2022

Public library working conditions a book could be written about

this particular job, lots of staff talk about their prodigious drinking. Beer, wine, tequila. Only job i ever had where my Kris Kringle wanted booze as their gift. Smokers on staff, which is rare. Hints at drug use. It was a terrible environment. Glad I'm out

murielm99

(30,741 posts)
86. I worked in a library like that.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 06:15 PM
Oct 2022

It was not the staff, it was the board. I was the director, and I quit. The asshole board president did not know what to do, and I did not help him. The place continues to go downhill, twenty years later. Not all libraries are like that.

wnylib

(21,466 posts)
97. Wow. Fortunately, my local library shows no signs
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 10:09 PM
Oct 2022

of being like that. I don't work there and never have, but from what I can see, their employees are sober, knowledgeable, very helpful and courteous, and offer a lot of services to the public. They create a friendly, pleasant atmosphere for adults, children, and teens and have several programs geared to each group.

I am there so often that one time when I left a pair of gloves and called from home to ask about them, the employee on the phone used my name when telling me that there was a pair turned in at the desk which might be mine (they were). I asked how she knew who I was and she said that she recognized my voice.

genxlib

(5,528 posts)
3. I think for most people
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 07:58 AM
Oct 2022

That continuing to work is a financial reality. And so people tell themselves that things aren’t as bad as they seem in order to get through.

I know lots of people with defined retirement benefits and health care plans who can retire quite happily. But I see others that are watching 401ks like a hawk (if they are lucky enough to have them) and hanging on until Medicare kicks in.

No doubt that our work culture is broken and skewed towards subsistence rather than really living. But the reality is that it goes beyond culture into structural realities that keep people in those situations.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
55. Those golden handcuffs are real.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 10:23 AM
Oct 2022

I had to find a way to survive a toxic environment until I could secure a new job for almost three years because of college tuition obligations.

walkingman

(7,618 posts)
4. I can totally relate to your experiences. I also worked in a similar environment.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 08:09 AM
Oct 2022

I retired in 2003 at the age of 52 and will celebrate my 20th anniversary of retirement next year. I was a union member (still a retired member) for 25 of my 33 years. All in all it was a great experience. I am thankful for the help that myunion gave me in helping me get transfers a couple of times over that period and also for the leadership of two of our Local Presidents.

I took a technical position (salaried) after several years of declining the offer with the stipulation that I would not have any direct reports. I did so with the expectation of increasing my pension. That lasted for a couple of years and it was probably the best experience of my work life - I reported directly to the national director who was an exception person....a mentor. He finally talked me into taking an operations role with responsibility for the Houston, Austin, San Antonio area. It was good mainly because I had worked with all of the people for years and knew them well. A little bit more traveling but all in all good.

Let me regress a little....in my early 20's I was not a dependable employee. I was attending college at night (paid for by the company tuition refund program) and my primary focus was school and chasing women. I was not dependable and were it not for one manager would have been fired. But I finished school, found my sweetheart (married now 44 years), and became serious about work. The reason I bring this up is because I always remembered it in dealing with my direct reports later in my career.

Union wise - we had 2-3 strikes over those 25 years. I think the longest was about 4-6 months. I was financially prepared and I kind of looked at them as some time off....confident that we would settle and have improvements when returning to work. Walked lots of picket lines and actually met Jesse Jackson once when he participated in one of our strikes.

Mgmt wise - as the years progressed I got more responsibility, first area mgr, then regional mgr, and then right before retirement several regions which covered most of the western US.

I could go on and on but will shut up except to say that their are good employees both union and mgmt that get caught up in the corporate effort to succeed. It is a dog eat dog world on both sides of the equation. Most problems are a direct result of individual employees both mgmt and union. Union wise - I think people should do their job, take initiative, and do it to the best of their ability. Mgmt wise - respect your direct reports, give them the tools they need to be successful, and then get the hell out of the way. Micro-managing never works.

Anyway - Congrats on your retirement - maybe we can tell some more "war stories" as time goes by.

Remember this - life is like a roll of toilet paper - the closer you get to the end the faster it goes.

Peace and Love ☮

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
13. Thank you for that Honest. post.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 08:54 AM
Oct 2022

Both my husband and son were Union members. My Son was lucky enough to be in a very rare Enginners Union. He became a Business Agent, but gave it up because he had to defend too many bad employees, plus handling his duties designing machines for the auto industry.

As companies were sold to foreigners, Unions became weaker he watched the workers on the floo be persuaded to take less and less, he was so frustrated he managed to get his 30 years/55 in he retired.

Neither one resorted to drinking. My husband smoked,he died of a fast acting cancer. The Doctor said chemicals from WW 2, Omaha Beach chemicals caused it. I never heard him complain, he was too busy making good money to support his family, send them to College. But he also enjoyed his work, making sure his machines were running.

My family still benefits from Union membership. I am also a lousy typist, but SC hates me,too!

FrankTC

(210 posts)
5. Until It Happens To You
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 08:20 AM
Oct 2022

Most people have no idea how miserable it can be to work under hostile supervision. Day after day under the scrutiny of someone who wants you to fail, wants you gone, seemingly hates you and everything about you -- someone who will craft subtly impossible assignments and excoriate you for not doing the impossible -- for whom nothing you can do will suffice . . . . Nowadays maybe this situation isn't so dire, because there are alternative jobs out there. But in the past, if you lost a job you could be swirling for months around the abyss of total loss. And to find out that in our at-will-employment culture, you have very few rights, very few protections. And nobody much cares. All the more galling because you can find yourself at the mercy of a dark-triad, personality-disordered boss purely by chance, by no fault of your own . . . . Well, that's capitalism for ya. Retirement looks pretty good in comparison, even if not in the lap of luxury.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
54. A toxic work environment almost killed me.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 10:22 AM
Oct 2022

Literally.

If I hadn't gotten free I honestly believe I was months away from hospitalization. An unholy trinity that included my boss and two peers changed a job I loved and thought I would retire from into a hellish nightmare. The promotion of a covert narcissist revealed my boss' real personality. I thought he was a decent person until it became painfully obvious he was as bad as the narcissist he promoted.

raccoon

(31,111 posts)
76. Google "work trauma". I went through that more than once,
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 04:40 PM
Oct 2022

And it is miserable.

Thank dog, I am retired now.

calimary

(81,269 posts)
98. It can simply eat you up, nibble by nibble, little bite by little bite.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 10:24 PM
Oct 2022

Wears you down, exhausts you, and can eat away at your confidence and your emotional wellbeing rather relentlessly.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,106 posts)
6. I worked for a SHIT company for 20 years. I am so happy running my own now...
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 08:27 AM
Oct 2022

being your own boss is fantastic!!!

cyclonefence

(4,483 posts)
7. I know this is a very serious topic, but
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 08:37 AM
Oct 2022

your post reminded me of the Bob & Ray routine where Ray is a "free-lance toll taker," moving his booth from road to road.

70sEraVet

(3,503 posts)
8. I was surprised to see how anxious people were to share their thoughts and experiences
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 08:37 AM
Oct 2022

I would have liked to have held MORE jobs, to have done different things. But I had one job that demanded ALL of my time, and while I didn't make a lot of money, I made just enough that I was too afraid to start over at something that may not have paid as well.
For me, retirement was the answer. I am busy in the American Legion, do a bit of historical research for the local African American community, rehabbing a beautiful old Victorian home after years of neglect.....

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
18. You did the same thing my Son did.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 09:04 AM
Oct 2022

Finding all kinds of projects he loves to do. Remodeling the house they built 20 years ago, building furniture, redoing his 48 Chevy, gardening,computing, fixing things for me. Helping others.

His wife retired, too when she saw how much he liked it. A Food Scientist, she freezes, makes jams and jellies.


Me? I exercise at the pool, enjoy my many friends, take care of a 2 story house. Hire others to do my outside work.

Chainfire

(17,542 posts)
10. I think that many middle management managers are treated like a dog, so they feel it necessary
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 08:39 AM
Oct 2022

to pass it on.

I had two very good jobs in my career and a half dozen piss-poor jobs. Both of the really good jobs were in very small companies where my supervisor was also the owner, or one step below the owner. I found that the larger the organization, the worse the supervision, and I believe that is because blowhards and ass kissers tend to rise to to positions of power. One common trait of ass kissers is that they demand that their subordinates kiss their asses too.

Working hard, being a good producer, getting along with other staff, being at work, every day and on time, didn't matter as much as puffing up the supervisor and always being a yes man.

ProfessorGAC

(65,044 posts)
71. While Likely True...
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 01:50 PM
Oct 2022

...what separates the good from the bad middle managers is avoiding that.
Take the bullets for the team. Defend your charges.
I had it pretty good. For at least 35 years, I had good upper management to whom I reported and they gave me a lot of freedom t set my own agenda.
The occasional "Why is this taking so long?" I'd get, I would defend.
I'd pass it on to the person(s) on that project but without pressuring. I believed they'd want to know, but I wouldn't make them change their activities. I might ask for a published milestone table & schedule to keep the wolves at bay, but no yelling or berating. I found that would almost certainly be counterproductive.
I wasn't that worried as the 8 of us averaged bottom line delivery of 8 to 20 times what it cost the company to emoy us. We were an indirect profit center, not a cost center.
We keep generating cash, they leave me alone. Then, I leave my folks alone to do what they do.

mopinko

(70,111 posts)
11. i settled down to raise a fam just in time.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 08:42 AM
Oct 2022

last couple jobs- apprentice carpenter. got through the 3 yrs of school, but couldnt take the job site bullshit. they still cant get women to stick in hard hat jobs. even though a bunch of us started a nonprofit that still does good work today.

switched to cooking in a couple very nice restaurants. back then you could climb the ladder. i was taking the rungs 2 at a time, but i was pg w #2, w 2nd hubs, and #1 went into a tail spin. i loved those jobs, but i know the industry has changed quite a bit.
ate out last night and had to pull the manger over and the way out. 3 bartenders, 10 occupied barstool, and i had to wave my hands to get a drink, and again to order some food. put the menu on the edge of the bar, and still had to raise my voice.
worse part was 2 of them were pretty young ladies taking right into each other's faces. me- ya know, it's dangerous out here, and those girls talking like that could easily got taken the wrong way, and someone gets hurt.
not sure he appreciated my advice, but if i was young, behind a bar any where would be the last job i'd take.

happy urban farmer and aspiring writer and singer. no bosses.

mopinko

(70,111 posts)
24. i am but the big thing i chose was to dump my hubs. lol.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 09:15 AM
Oct 2022

mom was the hardest job i ever did. a partner would have been good, but i didnt get that. i got someone who did everything he could to trip me up and piss on my dreams.
luckily, we built shit, and i took most of it.

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
67. But you made the right decision for you and your family.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 12:11 PM
Oct 2022

Lived with it. And accepted the responsibility of your decision. You proved you could do it alone. Now you can be proud of yourself.

I thought I could not make it by myself when my husband died, but I proved to myself and everyone else I could do quite well. You did, too.

mopinko

(70,111 posts)
70. the kids were grown by the time we divorced,
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 01:41 PM
Oct 2022

a common theme. they all discovered they had a dad when i dumped him, cuz he had no friends. lol.

GoodRaisin

(8,923 posts)
104. Me too. Then I guided my children away from such a career.
Mon Oct 24, 2022, 04:46 AM
Oct 2022

I wanted them to enjoy their work life. Work consumes too much of your life to allow it to become a miserable experience.

3Hotdogs

(12,382 posts)
14. The reference to teachers caught my attention..I retired 17 years ago.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 08:55 AM
Oct 2022

The enjoyment from the job began to decline in the 80's. It was at that time, boards and administrators began to feel a need to "tighten up." That meant more papa work and more meetings, for the sake of having meetings. I left in '87.

From there, I went into real estate. For five years, I made more money than my teaching salary. Then the bottom fell out of the local market. I left there and went into a job selling recycling services. Again, shitloads of money. But our customer base moved to southern states with lower environmental and labor pressures.

So.... try teaching again. This time, in an urban district. The first five years were rewarding. Then the state lowered funding and I was transferred to a school in the poorest part of the city. Four months later, I left.. the day after a shooting outside my classroom window.



It took me about two years to settle into a routine of retirement.

Next week, I turn 80. Tonight I will post some more of my reflections about that.

McKim

(2,412 posts)
41. Toxic Teaching Environments....
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 09:54 AM
Oct 2022

Toxic teaching environments have hurt me so. I only recovered after years of volunteer work where they treat you better. Being a teaching in this society is a ticket to hell, basically. I loved the kids and the families. The constant churning of new ideas and curriculum from administrators who had to show how they were making change meant constantly learning new programs. These were sometimes good and sometimes change for the sake of change and ending up to be bad for kids.

Kaleva

(36,304 posts)
19. Was there ever a time in history when work for most was fulfilling and rewarding?
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 09:04 AM
Oct 2022

So I don't see why the responses would be an eye opener.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
28. When I starting working in the 70s the work place was not as toxic. It was more laid back.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 09:21 AM
Oct 2022

My father worked in a meat packing plant during the 50s, 60's. Back breaking work. He never complained. One day I asked him how in the hell could he do that job for so many years.

He said, we had a good union and the president of the company was a hell of a nice guy. He told me the president would come down to the docks and talk with the workers. Ask how things were at home. How are your kids doing. If you need anything let me know.

He said the union president was a full blooded Italian who did not take any shit. If a boss mistreated a worker he would pull all the workers off the docks. The president of the company would come down and settle things

Times have changed.

Evolve Dammit

(16,733 posts)
40. It's changed a lot. Used to be much different and laid back by comparison. Now the "health care"
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 09:53 AM
Oct 2022

piece keeps millions afraid to leave their crappy, stressful job.

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
68. This is why we need
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 12:16 PM
Oct 2022

Universal Health care. The ACA LEFT TOO MANY GAPS IN THE 40 and 50 years olds. That would have been fixed if people had not voted for Trump and Republicans and their 50 votes to kill health care. Saved by one brave Republican, John McCain in his last vote.

Kaleva

(36,304 posts)
43. Think of the thousands of years before child labor laws, unions, social security and duch
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 09:56 AM
Oct 2022

I had a great grandfather who was sold by his mother as she couldn't support her family after her husband died. My great grandfather lived in the barn with the animals and worked for years to earn his freedom

I live in an area that was known for copper mines. No benefits, long hours and always in debt to the mining company which owned the homes and stores. If a miner died and his family lived in a company house, his wife had two weeks to marry another miner or she and her children would be evicted.

Random Boomer

(4,168 posts)
38. Life was hard
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 09:50 AM
Oct 2022

It's difficult to take solace from someone else's hardships, but you nailed it. Modern life is a picnic compared to the hardships of the previous approximately 10,000 years. The vast majority of people were agricultural workers, backbreaking work and entirely dependent on the weather. Bad crop years meant famine and there were always taxes to be paid.

You have to go back all the way to hunter/gatherer life to find a lifestyle that wasn't composed of grueling labor.

onethatcares

(16,168 posts)
60. it's a tired old saw but
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 10:28 AM
Oct 2022

if you find something you like to do, you'll never work a day in your life.

Trust me, I am the worst employee ever but I work for myself fairly well.

Been retired since 2015 it seems that everyday is Saturday.

snowybirdie

(5,227 posts)
23. So right
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 09:13 AM
Oct 2022

I quit and retired in my 50s because of sexism. My new male assistant made $20,000 more than me when hired. Left and so glad. Never looked back!

wnylib

(21,466 posts)
100. I turned in my notice at one job
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 10:39 PM
Oct 2022

because, when my boss was demoted (gambling addict who missed too much work), the bulk of his work fell to me and the rest was divvied up between two male employees who got raises for the extra work. I did not get a promotion or pay raise for the extra load dumped on me.

The manager of another department in the company that my work was related to was concerned about me leaving. When I told him why, he was appalled at the blatant sexism and offered me a job in his department since I already knew the work there. Got an immediate, substantial raise and remained there until I married and relocated for my husband's job.

The manager who had refused to promote me or give me a raise was replaced shortly after my transfer to the other department.



jimmil

(629 posts)
25. Work turned to shit when.....
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 09:18 AM
Oct 2022

the corporate structure between management and staff turned into an adversarial relationship. I always went by the old saying, "If it was fun they wouldn't pay you."

Mr.Bill

(24,294 posts)
79. Whenever I started a new job
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 04:54 PM
Oct 2022

and people asked me if I liked my new job, I said I didn't like it at all, that's why they have to pay me to do it.

littlewolf

(3,813 posts)
26. this is my 3rd week of retirement
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 09:18 AM
Oct 2022

it is great ...

I have had 3 jobs ...

military 20 and 14 days ... and it wasn't work I loved it.

DOC Dept. of corrections 10 years
(this was the only JOB I had )

DoD contractor
16 years and I loved it ..

but now ... all the jobs I put off till I had time
I can do now ... its great ...

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
27. From a female point of view-
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 09:19 AM
Oct 2022

I have experienced most of those things too. But the worst part of being in the workforce is having to deal with sexual harassment. The problem is everywhere, and even though companies handle it better than they used to, the victim often ends up being fired or quitting.

Even with remote work, there is still some denigration of women. It will be a relief when I retire.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
31. I believe you.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 09:30 AM
Oct 2022

The worst place I have ever witnessed women being sexual harassed was in the Army. I could not believe it. I literally could not take a woman to the movie theater on post. Soldiers would sexually harass her right in front of me. I won't tell you what they said to her and me.

malaise

(269,004 posts)
36. I became an expert at handling sexual harrassment
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 09:45 AM
Oct 2022

I’d tell the harassers that as long as they didn’t mind me calling their wives about an office affair, we could have a discussion.
They ran faster than Usain Bolt and stayed away from me.
I passed on the tactic to younger colleagues.

malaise

(269,004 posts)
48. Most of the assholes are terrified of their wives
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 10:00 AM
Oct 2022

mostly because of the real cost of divorce- they have no respect for women - period. 😀😀😀

Evolve Dammit

(16,733 posts)
64. sounds about right. It's time for more rights for women and I hope we can retain House control to
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 11:09 AM
Oct 2022

fight back against the MAGA/ Q/ Christo-Fascist/ deranged onslaught.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
51. I worked in an office with two men who never stopped talking about
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 10:15 AM
Oct 2022

their glory days in college. They would talk about women they had sex with in graphic detail. One of them said he suffered from TMA (too much ass). I wanted to puke.

I hated going to work. I didn't think I would get anywhere complaining about it because they were supposedly having a private conversation and not talking to me.

malaise

(269,004 posts)
29. I loved my profession
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 09:24 AM
Oct 2022

but I also love retirement. I work when I feel like working and choose projects on my own terms.

For the record, lots of academic publishers pay a reasonable fee for book reviews.
They like you if you send reviews promptly.

jmbar2

(4,887 posts)
62. I'd love to learn more about this.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 10:31 AM
Oct 2022

My whole career was writing training and curriculum. My job experiences are similar to those described above, so I retired early, but financially it was a bad idea. I've been scraping by ever since.

I still love to read and write. How do you get writing gigs doing reviews?

Thanks!

ShazzieB

(16,399 posts)
74. I would like to know more about this, too!
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 04:19 PM
Oct 2022

English major and former librarian here. This would be right up my alley!

carpetbagger

(4,391 posts)
32. Lol doctors.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 09:32 AM
Oct 2022

I'm a doctor, will be reassigned to another set of duties in a week because another doc burned out and retired early. I have about 1570 days until I can take a postponed retirement. Then I just have to find a country where I can afford the health care until I get my retirement benefits 5 years later.

I love helping people, but that's a side perk to my job, which is typing and clicking boxes.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
33. The key to freedom is being able to walk away from a job at all times.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 09:34 AM
Oct 2022

If you can't walk away you are owned and the company knows it.
Make sure your company knows you will leave.
One time management was pumping a friend of mine cause they knew I was unhappy. The boss asks: But he won't leave?
My friend says he has done it before.
Ask questions about another company to people you know report to the boss.
Tell that same person you are sending out resumes.
One time I had long hair. I got it cut.
Start taking half days in the middle of the week off.
Take the morning off and come in all spruced up.
Ask how long your healthcare coverage lasts after separation.
Check you PTO time.
Take some of your tools home.
The safety guy always hangs around use him as a telephone.
This also works well just before review time.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
34. Good unions can make a big difference in people lives.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 09:40 AM
Oct 2022

I wish more Americans understood this. Many Americans are terrified of unions. Their jobs suck, low pay, mention the word union they react like you are threatening them. It's strange.

multigraincracker

(32,684 posts)
35. 30 years to the day, I worked in a large factory.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 09:44 AM
Oct 2022

Was able to retire at age 52. It was a large shop with about 3,000 hourly workers split up by a couple of shifts.
Most couldn't afford to retire because they had families and debt. I didn't have either and socked away some money and had no bills.
After one year I had pretty good jobs, only because I had perfect attendance and knew how to type. I did have some ups and downs, got fired 3 times. Two of those they caught me just as I got to the door and gave me my job back and one time the company called me at home 3 days later and gave me my job back. Made me feel needed.
Went back to college part time and that made work a piece of cake. I got to ignore every one because I had my nose stuck in a book.
Had to fight the company and the Union a few times, but grateful to both. Still pay my dues and buy the product.
Best advice I can give anyone retiring is to keep moving.

dwayneb

(768 posts)
39. Perspective of an engineer
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 09:51 AM
Oct 2022

I am a mechanical engineer and worked in both the automotive (body design) and aerospace (jet engines), for the largest OEMs.

While I loved developing safe and reliable products, and I enjoyed working with incredibly talented people - I hated working for these giant soulless corporations.

I saw a huge change from the late 70's. We are now expected to take on twice the volume of work that we did back then. Design automation software didn't do a thing to improve the quality of life of the average engineer. In fact it made it worse as we are now expected to be tied to a computer screen hour after endless hour, juggling multiple programs.

Most of the jobs I had required 60 hours a week or more to complete the assignments well - the idea of a 40 hour a week job in engineering is simply a pipe dream. At the end of a week, you are completely exhausted, mentally and physically. Things get missed. People get beaten down until they are forced to take short cuts.

It's no surprise that we end up with disasters like Boeing's 737-MAX design fiasco, and hundreds of people needlessly killed. Boeing was squeezing every minute, every dime they could out of the engineers that were responsible for that system.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
45. Your post is another example of what I am talking about.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 09:58 AM
Oct 2022

Things changed starting in the late 70's and especially in the 80's. Everything became micro managed. Save a dollar anywhere you can. Gut the work force. Force remaining workers to pick up the slack for the same pay. Harass, threaten them so they will comply. Destroy unions. Control your workers.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
50. Engineer here too
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 10:10 AM
Oct 2022

I don’t work a ton of OT, but others around me do. In threads like these, I always come back to the fact that I am an engineer with a BS and a Masters, I do just fine. But I still don’t do as well as my dad did in the 80s and 90s as a skilled trade auto worker. My dad got to retire at 62, I’ll probably still be working at 67.

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
69. Union!
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 12:26 PM
Oct 2022

My son wanted to buy a Buick, then found out that model was made in China. Said all he could think of was not one UAW worker worked on that car.

Things are changing now with the chips and parts shortages. Plus Biden including they be made in the US. We are getting the new INTEL factory.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
52. This is a true story.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 10:16 AM
Oct 2022

Years ago I was working a fast paced warehouse job. I was the freight shipper. I would ship out orders worth over 100,000 dollars. Lots of heavy equipment. You had to be careful or you could get hurt badly. I was injured badly one time. Luckily I recovered.

Management wanted us to go faster which was impossible. We were already maxed out.

They called us into the training room to show us a video of people attempting to build a house in record time. A large number of people built an entire house in like 4 hours and no one got hurt they said. I knew the video was a con job.

I got in trouble because during the video I yelled out, What a bunch of bullshit. Everyone in the room broke out laughing, except the boss.

Pinback

(12,155 posts)
46. Tom Smykowski in "Office Space" resonated with me.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 09:59 AM
Oct 2022

If you’ve seen the movie, you’ll remember him — hilarious supporting character played by Richard Riehle. The lead character, Peter, encounters Tom after he’s been partially paralyzed in a car accident. Tom tells Peter he’s ecstatic because, even though he’s rigged up with a huge metal bracket to stabilize his head and neck, he’s on permanent disability now and no longer has to work.

Employment is just that bad for many people, which is not so hilarious in real life.

In the excellent TV series Reservation Dogs, Bear’s Mom tells her sister she’d love to have “a small accident, nothing too serious, but enough to put me in the hospital for a few days. I just need a break.” Her sister says, “Oh, you mean like a vacation?”

Work is such a constant crushing psychological weight for so many Americans that illness and disability can actually seem like a rescue. Now, that is truly sick.

dwayneb

(768 posts)
94. Office Space - in my top 10
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 09:06 PM
Oct 2022

Have seen it numerous times and it is a perfect parody of the modern American workplace. Sure it's a little dated now in 2022 but I still get a good laugh out of it.

If you think the American corporate workplace is brutal try working for a Japanese automaker for a while. I used to work for one of them as an R&D engineer. You quickly learn that for the Japanese, work is life. We used to joke about how the senior management back in Japan thought about us as "lazy Americans", although we were all working 50-60 hours a week or more in some departments.

The Third Doctor

(241 posts)
49. I've dealt with similar issues. I totally feel you
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 10:06 AM
Oct 2022

Living in a right to work state and working in a non union company is a trial. No matter how good or stalwart worker it's not enough. In a few years I was working 2 or more times harder and the pay did not reflect that. If a manager abuses his power nothing was done about it. If you have a ongoing physical issue they smell blood in the water. There was a bit of age discrimination too.

SouthernLiberal

(407 posts)
53. I worked as a computer programmer
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 10:19 AM
Oct 2022

I loved the work. Clearly it was what I was meant to do. I worked for 33 years for a company where everything depended on who your manager was. I had some great managers, and a few horrid ones. The last two, were really good, and let me work from home. And then, my job went away. The company could get programmers in India cheaper. And they even knew the right programming language. What they didn't know, couldn't know, is the details of the system we were working on. Thirty-three years of experience matters. But as someone pointed out, the programmers in India could get it wrong three times and still cost less than me.

Farmer-Rick

(10,175 posts)
58. When I got out of the military after 20+ years,
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 10:27 AM
Oct 2022

I was shocked to see that civilian jobs were so much like the military.

In the military you know you are available 24/7. It's the nature of the job. War and conflicts can come up at any time. So, you were kind of on call all the time.

But you got paid for it for the most part. You got great retirement benefits, 100% medical coverage even after retiring, and for your family. Plus there were housing allowances, isolation pay, hazardous pay and uniform allowances, 30 day paid leave, that all added to your paycheck. You also got medals and awards for doing a good job in a difficult situation. And they still fed you and housed you when you went on deployment.

But civilian jobs for the most part provided none of these things except for some lousy medical plans. But the bosses still acted as if they owned you 24/7. They give you a boring job with bad pay and no benefits and expect you to come in all hours with no pay increases or bonuses to cover your costs.

They make you travel with little or no reimbursement. And claim your not a team player when you refuse to work off the clock.

They constantly worked at lowering your pay and seemed more interested in bullying you then in getting the job done.

I had three jobs after getting out of the military. But they were so horrible, I quit and went into farming the property I had just boughten.

I just don't understand why anyone puts up with the crap from civilian bosses. It's not like they are in the military. No one will die and a ship won't sink if you take 2 hours instead of 1 to finish the report.

The civilian jobs out there are awful. Years ago, when I first came to DU, someone told me there was no such thing as a crappy job. That you are lucky to have a job and get paid at all. Let me tell you, all you have now a days is crappy jobs.

If you can, work for yourself, join a workers co-op or start a union. That's the only way to survive this capitalist hell.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
59. The worst, scariest thing that happened to me at work was this.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 10:27 AM
Oct 2022

A boss for no reason decided to harass me while my mother was dying. Till this day I don't know why. I was showing up for work everyday on time and doing my job. It was hard. He knew my mother was dying and yet he had no empathy. You can get hurt doing that shit.

There are some things in life you don't do. This was one of them. Luckily I went to my family doctor and told him what was happening. He couldn't believe it. He pulled me out of work for a month. He knew I needed a break.

Woodwizard

(844 posts)
61. I dealt with many of the same issues at my old job
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 10:30 AM
Oct 2022

It started out great, we were a small company in the early 90's and grew fast I had a dream job designing furniture building the prototypes and improving production, then they got big greedy and overconfident. They timed every task for the production workers to the point of swiping out to go to the bathroom.

I quit in 2004 and started my own shop was tough the first few years but my wife and I are good with money and debt I will retire when I choose if ever, I like what I do and it keeps me going. I been putting away retirement ever since I have worked so it will be a choice.

We have friends that have nothing planned and some who have raided retirement accounts for short term problems.

Jedi Guy

(3,191 posts)
66. Work most certainly is toxic for a lot of people. Perhaps even most.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 11:52 AM
Oct 2022

I've recently started to sympathize a lot with the so-called "anti-work movement" when I hadn't before. I think a better term would be the "anti-bullshit-at-work movement" though. Two of my dad's favorite sayings are "that's why they call it work and not play" and "life's rough, get a helmet." While both expressions are somewhat heartless, they're also true in many ways. The difference for me comes down to, "is this reasonable or is this bullshit?"

I had a brawl with my boss over bullshit just recently. My partner in crime on the day shift has been out for surgery since early September. In the time he's been gone, another supervisor got vacation time and my boss took some herself. She declined my vacation request on the grounds that we didn't have "coverage." I called her out on it and, after fighting a battle, got what I wanted. Sometimes you just have to stand up for yourself and be willing to take a few lumps if your boss is the vengeful sort. Depends entirely on whether that hill is valuable enough to die on.

It's clear that Covid opened a lot of people's eyes and those impacts are still being felt in the workplace, as is the desire for many people to work remotely. I've done so since early 2018 and I love it. I left my last job because they took it away and most of my old team ended up doing likewise. Because management wanted us under their eye/thumb, they lost a lot of great people in the service of their power trip.

In making that move, I stepped into a supervisory role for the first time in my life. I've had some legendarily terrible bosses in my work life, and I swore to myself I would never become like they were. A supervisor's job should be making his or her employees' lives better and easier. I'm there to support them, not police them. That mindset hasn't always been popular among my bosses, but my team consistently hits their targets when others don't. I can't take credit for all or even most of it since they're the ones doing the work, though. My people work harder for me because I've earned their loyalty and respect. That's how it should be, far as I'm concerned.

LudwigPastorius

(9,148 posts)
73. "Management and the union were in a constant state of war."
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 04:03 PM
Oct 2022

After reading your description of your terrible work environment, it sounds like the union was trying to change that.

I wonder why you say that was "counter productive"?

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,120 posts)
75. The Episcopal Priest this morning says he's ready to retire - again.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 04:34 PM
Oct 2022

After working as an accountant for most of his life, he became a priest. I think he's 69 years old. I'm nearly 75 and still singing for my dessert.

Alwaysna

(574 posts)
77. I don't feel so alone in my experience because you shared your story.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 04:42 PM
Oct 2022

I haven't worked since 1998. I was 39 at that time & had suffered years with arthritis in the spine (diagnosed at age 15). I was disabled but not enough to prove it. As it turned out I had an "oopsies" pregnancy. My spouse was disabled (profound deafness). I stayed home with baby & we lived on his SSD. At age 44 we had another baby. Spouse has passed 6 years ago from a stroke. I'm very fortunate to have these two kids as we all live together and they've helped me through several painful surgeries. They are now 19 & 23 years. I've tried to explain to them the different dangerous work I did that aggravated the condition & how these corporations treat their workers awful. I don't know if they believe me or not. At the last job they provided a very basic health insurance. Mine only covered me as I couldn't afford to cover my kids. Later it was discovered the company deducted premiums from workers pay but did not pay for the insurance. Then they went out of business & there wasn't any recourse for these workers to get their pay back. They were stuck with medical bills
and out a sizable chunk of their pay. I haven't been to upset about these workers as they were the source of much of the sexual harassment aimed at me. Karma.lol.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
78. I worked for a liberal organization whose work I support. Yet I had a very bad boss who wanted to
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 04:45 PM
Oct 2022

rid of the older staff member ("dead wood&quot . Of course, she would (and did) get sued eventually but I had planned my retirement to when I could collect a more liberal SS payment. It made sense to me and I did my job. But I was one of the "old staff" she wanted to replace because she wanted younger, cheaper staff that she could control better.

She made impossible demands and when you didn't achieve her unreasonable goals she could say "well, she didn't make her goal."

One older staff member sued her and altho the details of the case were not known, we all knew it was outright age discrimination. There was a pattern.

Of course, she went too far and the organization's Board of Directors fired her. This was after I had retired but I was relieved and gratified that my suspicions about her were correct.

ymetca

(1,182 posts)
80. Your first job
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 05:08 PM
Oct 2022

teaches you the "lesson" that Democracy stops at the door. Welcome to the machine! A top-down controlled hierarchy, designed specifically to use you as a "human resource" --a disposable widget, easily replaceable. No democracy no how, unless there is some modicum of union "interference", which must be ruthlessly stamped out!

Silly me, I dreamed that the whole point of technological innovation was the elimination of work entirely. All the rote, repetitive tasks required to survive handled by intelligent machines. That's the bill of sale anyway.

So, where's the Big Reward to all of us for collectively making that happen? Answer: siphoned off by the 1%.

A worthy read, folks:

The Abolition of Work

BradBo

(531 posts)
81. I'm close to retirement.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 05:11 PM
Oct 2022

But my workplace improved just a bit. A number of right wing, anti-vaxx MAGAs were forced to leave because they are such believers in stupidity.

XanaDUer2

(10,677 posts)
83. Mine was deranged, too
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 05:32 PM
Oct 2022

You'd tell family, friends, doctors, and they'd be incredulous. It was something you had to experience. I'm still getting daily texts from workers left behind. As in you-wouldn't-believe-what-happened-today texts...yup. I KNOW

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
85. when I hear fellow Booomers saying younger workers aren't as "loyal"
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 06:01 PM
Oct 2022

who can fucking blame them? They saw how their parents and grandparents were treated.

Xolodno

(6,395 posts)
87. Soon as I hit 62, I'm out of the workforce.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 06:16 PM
Oct 2022

When I hit 55, going to move into one of those 55+ retirement communities. Or buy an RV and live on the road, we haven't decided yet. Maybe both?

White collar job here, plenty in the 401k and have two pensions. I looked at finishing off my career in the company I spent during my college years, I knew they have a reputation for low pay...but once they told me the max salary, it was obvious, I'm not going to go back when I have other companies on the outside willing to give me more.

I recently took what I thought was a lateral at a non-profit. First day on the job I'm told the hiring manager will not be my direct report, instead I will report directly to VP of finance. At my 90 day review with HR, they asked if I was open to moving up. My response, "Sure, but its kind of early to talk about that". I'm thinking my title just might change at 180 days. President of the company is already forwarding reports to me to validate the numbers on and have to work on an auditing project next week. Plus side, I'm enjoying it because I no longer work 10+ hours a day, stressful issues are gone, wondering if its "your turn" to get a bad review despite doing an amazing job and of course, no more corporate politics.

Shipwack

(2,162 posts)
88. I for one loved your post. I'm sorry that others aren't being supportive.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 07:22 PM
Oct 2022

I find this very odd, it must be an American culture thing. I remember when I retired from the Navy and took a couple of months off before my next job. One of my friends was horrified that I was content to do "nothing” for eight weeks. She said she would feel awful if she didn’t have a job. : :

I doubt I’ll ever be able to retire. Life circumstances have prevented me from saving much, and even with my Navy pension I’m currently struggling to make ends meet. Things are going to improve eventually, but I don’t ever see myself not holding a job. I like my job, but not enough that I want to do it til the day I die.

BigmanPigman

(51,593 posts)
89. I was stuck in teaching due to health insurance...
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 07:44 PM
Oct 2022

My job almost physically killed me but I needed it for the health insurance. It is a Catch-22 thing sort of. You need health insurance but your job makes you sick so you need to stay at the sick job. Insane!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17277070

Aussie105

(5,397 posts)
90. Work is a toxic, draining thing to do.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 07:46 PM
Oct 2022

Only in retirement do you realize you have been unseeing to that fact all that time.

The "love" for a job lasts maybe 3 to 5 years, the next 30 or so are a drudge that kills brain cells.

Retired 10 years now, took me about 5 years to become myself again. I'm not alone in that.


snot

(10,529 posts)
91. The "greed is good"
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 07:51 PM
Oct 2022

and every (hu)man for themselves mentality inaugurated with Reagan has done tremendous damage to pretty much everyone who's not sociopathic enough to actively exploit other people. Psychically and socially as well as economically. And so have the displaced blame for it all, and all the other repercussions.

NJCher

(35,675 posts)
92. Most jobs suck
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 08:41 PM
Oct 2022

And am I ever glad I can work for myself because I love my job as director of school gardens/community gardens. Believe me, I had plenty of jobs I hated. I have this contract, however, and they keep renewing it, and I love it.

However, I thought I would mention the following as a refreshing change of pace. It is in reference to your comment:

I used to argue with management and the union. I told both of them what you are doing is counter productive. Driving, harassing, the workers hurts productivity. The goal should be to make your workers happy, not miserable.

On some of my jobs, I did just that. I worked for a very large international company, privately-owned, who hired me to give recognition to the achievement of their employees. They funded a monthly internal magazine that I wrote and edited, and every article about was about some achievement of their people at work (the company employed around 13,000 at this particular location). The stories didn't have to be work-related, either. While one of my stories might be about an employee who worked with Al Gore on a health committee in DC, another was about a woman who worked in cat rescue on her time off.

I will never forget something she told me. She was a tall, red-headed, vivacious woman with an opinion on everything. She told me she could spot who would be good in cat rescue in the first few minutes of meeting them. She then described herself, LOL. They would be "Tall, opinionated..."

It was great to interview these employees about their work and after-work pursuits and publish stories about them. The recognition meant something to them. One, a doctor entering her sixties, told me she had sent the story to her mother. Mom was almost 90!

On two other jobs I had, I was hired to go around to locations and show managers how to give back to their communities. We had a fund set up where the managers could tap into to donate to local causes. In addition to the financial donations, we would set up fundraisers, based on inquiries made of us through community organizations. That was a fun job, too. I always liked dealing with issues that gave people satisfaction and that made them feel like their company wasn't just a profit seeking entity, sucking everything everywhere dry.

Of course, the companies had image motives for paying for me to do this. In the former situation, the company was privately owned and did not want to lose their people to publicly owned corporations that might give them stock options, for example.

In the latter, they were going to be donating the money anyway, so why not hire me and get a little extra public recognition for it when I was able to get the event publicized?



LT Barclay

(2,603 posts)
93. Even those of us who like helping people are having difficulty now. I'm a Physical Therapist and at
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 08:43 PM
Oct 2022

my current job I'm treated like a fast food worker. Not that they should be treated like that either, but that is what a Doctorate level degree has earned me.
Neither of my last 2 jobs was any better. I'm going to try again. I have an interview on Wednesday.

Stress is a killer, but stress is the management tool of choice in the American workplace.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
95. I liked all my jobs.
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 09:24 PM
Oct 2022

And most of my bosses.
But, I LOVE being retired!

Congratulations on your promotion to a life of leisure.

JoeOtterbein

(7,701 posts)
96. I'm still working part-time after 50...
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 09:32 PM
Oct 2022

...very long years in the food service biz.

Same problems, just lots of different stories.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
99. I hear ya! A lot of my fellow teachers were mad at me becaue I spoke up when our contract
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 10:33 PM
Oct 2022

was violated by a mandatory Saturday in-service day administrators had no right to require. Of course, many teachers hated unions of any kind.

I have had some reason to criticize unions--allowing certain workers to do very little work, even to steal, but overall, unions are good for workers, and, good for management unless they are greedy bastards who don't care one bit about their workers as human beings.

appleannie1

(5,067 posts)
101. Actually, in a lot of ways, it got better for women between the late fifties when I first joined
Sun Oct 23, 2022, 11:07 PM
Oct 2022

the work force and the late eighties when I started my own small business. When I first started working women made a lot less an hour than men even though they both did the exact same job. In 1965 I was a waitress in a high end restaurant where business men came for lunch either to sit together and eat, drink and make merry over lunch or brought their clients to feed them over a "working" lunch. It was the type place where you took a tray of salad dressings to the table to dress the salads to the diner's liking. The rolls were always warm and covered with a white linen napkin in a wicker basket. The large silver trays we carried on our shoulders were heavy and held a lot of food in covered plates to stay hot. I had 6 tables of 4 and 4 tables of two. The boss usually sat at the bar until lunch and then would go to the kitchen to help oversee food going out. Sometimes on the edge of just plain drunk. There were people seated at all my tables. I came into the kitchen, put 4 salads for one table, the dressing tray and just finished filling 4 baskets with warm rolls when I hear "Hey bitch". I looked up as I started out the swinging door. He was looking at me. I said "Are you talking to me?" He said "yes, get your ass over here and pick up this food". I dropped my tray on the floor in the doorway (making it impossible for other girls in the kitchen to go out to their tables) and said "Pick it up yourself" and walked out of the restaurant taking my book with me. No one knew where any orders went or how much money the tables already eating would owe. But that was common for a working woman. That and pats where you did not want touched or a boss sliding passed you as you bent over doing your job. Your only option was to quit and try somewhere else or put up with it. If, like me, you had kids to feed, it was tough luck. And then you could not own anything unless a man signed for it. Same with a credit card.

dem in texas

(2,674 posts)
102. I loved working - still busy at 83
Mon Oct 24, 2022, 04:33 AM
Oct 2022

I stayed home with my 3 kids until they were all in school. My husband held two jobs, I babysat and sewed for people, all to bring in money to the family. When the last kid went in 1st grade, I started to school to study accounting. We borrowed one thousand dollars to pay for my tuition and books plus to buy me an old beat up car to drive, That paid off in spades. I after one year of school, I took a job as a bookkeeper while still going to school in the evenings. I only had one job with a bad boss and after a few months, I quit. Never had any sexual harassment problems, I think having a big, tough husband kept the creeps away.

My husband and I have been married 64 years. We always function as a team and we balance each other; I'd want to be cautious, he'd want to be bold, we'd argue and work it out.

I continued to go to school off and on over the years, When the web came in, I went to school, studied web design and programming. We started selling on Ebay and I set up 2 websites where we sold antiques and collectibles. My husband retired at 62, I kept working until age 65, but had been ready to quit for several years, but felt a loyalty to my boss because he was so good to me.

I am now 82 and my husband is 85. He is almost blind and I have to walk with a cane, so it's hard for us to get out.

That said, I closed down my main website when Covid hit 2 years ago. We have a booth in an antique mall, trying to knockdown $1,000 a month on that. I make jewelry and sell in our booth along with antiques and collectibles. My son and his wife are helping us with the booth. I've sold on Etsy (my jewelry) and it has done well there, it's just a pain to go to the post office. I looking into solving the mailing problem.

Life has been a big adventure and I feel so blessed every morning when open eyes.

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