Like rats they scurry once the light is shined on them. This is at an Arizona Drop box

[michael811]

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[Alpeduez21]

1. If you're not ready to literally fight for democracy

then you're not ready to fight for democracy. We are at war ladies and gentlemen. Don't ever forget that and get out the vote. Bloody Kansas was the start of the Civil War not Ft Sumter.

[StormKing]

59. Bravo n/t

[Cha]

2. I like your analogy! TY! mt

[calimary]

111. I do, too. Shine a light!

And send the cockroaches scrambling for cover.

[sop]

5. Report them to the cops for covering up their license plates. That's illegal in Arizona.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

7. Not on private property it's not.

I don't know if this was private property or not, but regardless, they should not have touched that flag as it was on privately owned vehicle.

[haele]

9. Election Drop Boxes are not going to be on private property.

Nor are the parking lots for the state, County, or City property that those drop boxes are going to be located on.
These yahoos are on public property, so their license plates cannot be covered.

Haele

[MarineCombatEngineer]

12. Then you call the police,

not grab it and take it off, that could be considered theft, and a good way to get an ass kicking or worse in this day and age.
They had no right removing that from the license plate, that's for the cops to do.

[Maraya1969]

50. They did it quickly and I'm glad they did. At least those 2 can be identified then. I don't think

anyone would get in trouble for lifting up a flag to see license plates that are purposely being hidden at a voting place.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

52. They weren't on the polling grounds, AZ laws states no firearms within 75'.

You don't touch other people's shit, nor remove it from a vehicle that's not yours, pure and simple, not only is it a crime, in AZ, it's a good way to get hurt or worse.

If the owners of that vehicle wanted to press charges for theft from a vehicle, then they would be facing criminal charges because they had a brain fart at that moment.

[Mr.Mystery]

58. Thanks for making that point. Just because the other side does unethical and illegal s***

doesn’t give our side the right to do it too.

Two wrongs still don’t make a right.

Call the cops and report covered license plates.

[ForgedCrank]

80. I have to

agree with you.
Plus, doxing is a crap thing to do to anyone, and it's dangerous these days. I don't agree with using terrorism or intimidation from anyone.
The videographer in this scene is just as much of a jerk as the people sitting around with guns. They were both employing methods to intimidate others. We are all supposed to be better than this.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

81. Thanks.

That's what some here don't seem to grasp, while it's satisfying to see standing up to intimidation, taking someone else's property without the owner's permission is a crime, pure and simple.

[stopdiggin]

105. you've got another vote on that

keep you hands off other people - an other people's property. And the rules don't change - because you think you're playing for team 'good guys.'

[MrsCoffee]

92. So where was this? The post says Mesa drop box watchers.

Original post:

Link to tweet

According to one of the replies on Twitter these are the same people:

Link to tweet

Arizona law prohibits people from entering the 75-foot limit of a voting location with a weapon, which would be considered an unlawful act of voter intimidation.

A drop box location is considered a voting location.

And they were intimidating people according to this article:

https://www.axios.com/2022/10/23/mesa-arizona-armed-vigilantes-ballot-drop-box


I really don't think you could be more wrong about this whole situation.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

94. There's no doubt that they were verbally intimidating voters and should have been arrested,

my only point here is that you don't touch someone else's property without their permission, that's a crime.

[MrsCoffee]

97. Not if they didn't intend to cause damage.

Can I get arrested for touching someone's car walking past it? How about putting a note under the windowshield wiper?

I mean come on....

[MarineCombatEngineer]

98. So you're saying that I can walk up to someone else's vehicle, remove an item from

it, drop it on the ground and I'm not committing a crime?

This was more than just touching it while walking past, the flag was physically removed by someone who had no permission to remove it by the owner.

Go up to someone's vehicle, remove something from that vehicle while the owner is standing there and no permission to remove said object and see what happens.

[MrsCoffee]

99. LOL yes I'm saying there is no court, no cop, no law that is going to hold these people accountable

for walking up and dropping that flag on the ground. It's not a fixed part of the car or even attached to the car in any real or legal fashion.

The police however may have questions for the people who were covering up their license plate outside a voting location.

100% what I am saying.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

108. Ok, you just keep believing that.

Not only is it a crime, it's a good way to get an ass whoopin here in AZ, I certainly wouldn't attack anyone taking anything as mundane as a flag off of my vehicle without permission, but here in AZ, our RWNJ's more than likely would, so, the smart thing to do is document it, call the cops and keep your hands off of other people's shit or suffer the consequences of your actions.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

54. BTW,

they didn't just lift it, they removed it, which is a crime.

[A HERETIC I AM]

61. Nonsense

The license plate is for making your vehicle publicly identifiable as having paid the required taxes and fees, just like the plate and D.O.T. number on your Pete.

If it's a "crime" then it is one I doubt seriously any cop worth his salt would make a big deal over.

Fuck those assholes, AND their dopey flag covering bullshit. They're intentionally trying to hide their identity because what they are doing is fucking WRONG and they know it.

And before you reiterate that they shouldn't have touched the flag, again I say ...

F U C K . T H O S E . A S S H O L E S!

[MarineCombatEngineer]

64. I don't really care what you say,

they had no right to remove that flag from someone's private vehicle, no matter how you put it, it's still a crime.........period.

If the owner of the vehicle wanted to really push it, they could file a report agreeing to press criminal charges, whatever those may be.

Also, here in AZ, where just about everybody carries, it's not a good idea to take someone else's property, especially right in front of them, that's a damn good way of getting an ass kicking or worse.

Bottom line is don't touch other people's shit without their permission.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

69. LOL.

a bad ass?
No, I'm not, I mind my own business, I don't confront others unless confronted myself, I believe in the peaceful resolution of situations if at all possible, IOW, I'm a very non violent person unless I'm pushed into a corner with no peaceful way out.

I'm not saying what those armed idiots did is ok, far from it, they should have been investigated and arrested for voter intimidation, what I'm saying is that those well meaning activists should not have removed that flag from a vehicle that didn't belong to them, that's theft whether on public or private land, they should have just documented it and called the cops to sort it out.

[Grasswire2]

101. just about everybody carries in AZ?

Wow.
Not going there ever again.

Crazy, crazy!

[MarineCombatEngineer]

109. Here in AZ, we don't need a permit to buy, open carry or conceal carry,

anyone that's not a prohibited person can walk into any firearm store here in AZ and by a handgun as long as they pass the background check, pay for it, walk out and conceal it, nothing illegal about it, no training needed, no classes to take, just buy it and conceal it.

You can also buy and semi auto rifle and open carry that without any permit as long as you obey AZ open carry regs.

How fucking stupid is that?

One of the many reasons I'll soon be relocating to Colorado.

[Doremus]

102. 3981 posts about not touching others' shit without permission.

Yawn.

What do you think about the thugs trying to intimidate people into not voting? Let's see some righteous indignation about that topic if you please.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

110. I've already stated either here or in another thread on this topic, that these fucking idiots

should have been investigated and arrested for attempted intimidation of voters, and prosecuted under State and Fed. statutes.

[kooth]

82. Is it theft, though?

I agree it's not right to touch other people's stuff, but I don't think it is theft, unless they don't give it back. I'm not a legal expert, just my opinion. If it is theft, then I have learned something. In any case, thanks for your posts on this.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

84. You make a great point,

I guess it would be attempted theft or something if the owner's wanted to press charges, which I don't think they will be considering what they were doing.

[Rebl2]

73. Correct

[Magoo48]

103. Always a chance you get a fascist cop these days.

[The Bopper]

107. I love it

When people want you to play by 2 sets rules. They get to act like azzholes and we gotta be Sister Theresa. Nazis don’t deserve the consideration.

[G2theD]

112. How is it considered theft?

She lifted it up to see the plates and when the flag detached she immediately dropped it - before anyone started yelling.
Not saying you are wrong, just curious.

[Demsrule86]

13. Bullshit...it covered the license plate...consider it akin to a citizen's arrest. Those folks need

to be outed so they lose their jobs for criminal behavior.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

14. Nope.

You let the cops sort it out.
A private citizen has no right nor lawful reason to remove that flag from that license plate, it's a good way to get an ass kicking or worse.

[SouthernDem4ever]

16. Isn't that what they are there for?

Oh and I just love the face coverings. F'ing cowards.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

17. They're there to try to trigger a reaction so they can say, see, this is what the left

is all about and these well meaning activists walked right into it and now they could potentially be charged with the crime of theft from a vehicle.

The smart thing would have been to document the covered license plate and call the cops to let them sort it out, not remove it themselves.

[orangecrush]

19. The bully mentality

Is to choose victims you perceive as "weak".

Trump convinced his cult that Democrats are " weak", and therefore easy targets for harassment and bullying.

When someone stands up to them, as with most bullies, they pretend to be the victim.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

21. I couldn't agree more,

but, like I said, those well meaning activists should have just recorded the covered license plate and called the cops, not remove it themselves.

Benedict Donald may have convinced his MAGAt followers to believe that we're weak, but we both know that's far from the truth, we're just more subtle than that and I believe that if and when the fight comes, they'll be shocked at how wrong they were because this old Marine will take as many of them with me as I can.

[DENVERPOPS]

29. BRAVO MCE

[MarineCombatEngineer]

31. +100.

They may get me in the end, but I damn well guarantee that there will be a pile of bodies next to mine.

[orangecrush]

36. I grew up

In the toughest neighborhood of a tough steel mill town near Pittsburgh.

This was in the late '60s through the '70s.

Guys a couple years older than me were going to Vietnam. (I missed it, graduated in 1975.)

One friend was Lance Corporal Chuck W, aka "Okinawa Chuck".

After basic at Paris Island, they sent him to Okinawa. While there, he studied Karate from Okinawan teachers.

Then Vietnam.

He came back with severe PTSD, before they knew what it was.

He disarmed a cop and cuffed him to the police car.

He was taking bars apart.

They put him in the criminally insane ward for 90 days.

Then he died in a high speed police chase in his early 20's.

Chuck's Dad was an Iwo Jima Marine.

I knew other Marines from those days, and didn't fully appreciate how tough those men were till I was older.

I feel today that the Marines have always gotten a raw deal.

It looks like they are working to change that.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

38. +100. nt

[orangecrush]

43. ...

[cab67]

48. Is it illegal in Arizona to cover a license plate when the car is not in operation?

Just curious.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

49. On a public road yes,

but on a private piece of land, no.

[wnylib]

87. Amen! Gray haired old lady here.

Never was in the military, but if it comes to a fight, I'm in. Don't underestimate us. Look what Ukrainian women my age have done to Russians.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

88. Never underestimate the fighting spirit of mom's, grandma's and us older folks, which these MAGAt's

are doing.

[wnylib]

90. Damn right. It's a long time since I held a rifle

(husband was an avid hunter), but I can learn again and always was a good shot. Good throwing arm, too. At the very least, I can be a harmless looking spy.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

91. +100. nt

[orangecrush]

22. ....

[MarineCombatEngineer]

26. We used to laugh at Gomer Pyle USMC,

while it was humorous, it was nothing like reality.

Standing up to bullies is honorable, but don't get caught up in their little games.

[orangecrush]

37. Word

.

[Rebl2]

77. Right!

[Septua]

23. F'ing cowards

That's for certain.

I want to see what they do when someone walks up to put a ballot in the box.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

30. Nothing probably,

AZ law states that no weapons allowed withing 75' of a polling place, so they're probably 75'1" away so they won't get jammed up by the cops.

[cab67]

51. you think they're intelligent enough to know that?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

53. Probably so.

The ironic thing is that this is a very red area of AZ, so the majority of voters probably agree with them.

[Septua]

62. At 75', not a lot of intimidating one can do.

Maybe they're just watching for people showing up with suitcases of ballots to stuff the box or the same person showing up multiple times, as alleged in "2000 Mules."

[MarineCombatEngineer]

67. LOL

these idiots are probably on the lookout for actual mules, all 2000 of them.

[cstanleytech]

70. "on the lookout" How can they see anything though since they have their head up their asses?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

79. LOL,

yeah, there is that.

[DBoon]

104. maybe hauling borax from Death Valley?

[Rebl2]

75. Should have

reminded him we don’t have to wear masks anymore.

[Rebl2]

74. Call the police then

Let the police deal with it. Tell the police you felt intimidated by them as you went to vote.

[budkin]

63. Wrong

What they are doing is illegal.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

65. What am I wrong about?

Are you saying that someone can come up to a vehicle they don't own and remove something from it without the permission of the owner?

Tell me what state/city/county allows that?

[mymomwasright]

72. An additional Jarhead perspective

Just putting "two-cents" in! How about just going up to the driver's side windshield and getting their VIN number? It's just as good as a plate number for ID.
I wholeheartedly agree that everyone needs to be cautious (but not timid) with these people!

[MarineCombatEngineer]

76. Exactly.

Filming someone's vehicle VIN number is perfectly legal as long as they don't touch the vehicle, after all, there is no expectation of privacy in public.

[plimsoll]

93. You're correct and that's where unequal enforcement gets its play.

If a liberal were to "monitor" a drop box in a heavily red area to watch for felons (and there's every reason to suspect that given January 6) would the police enforce the laws when the proud boys and oath keepers beat the monitors to shit? So, yeah you are right, but once again the rightwing thugs are protected, but not bound by the law.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

95. Sadly, you are correct. nt

[CaliforniaHoustonian]

86. Good 1

[druidity33]

25. The license number was visible...

through that flimsy nylon flag anyway. No need to remove it.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

27. +100. nt

[MarineCombatEngineer]

34. +100. nt

[druidity33]

40. If you look at the video...

the numbers and letters are visible enough before she touches the flag that she could've just paused for a second and then written the license number down later. No need to waft.

[sop]

4. Republicans believe threats and guns are political discourse.

[Fullduplexxx]

6. Very brave when they're hiding

[aeromanKC]

8. 99A9CDA

[ShazzieB]

10. I really feel for those who have to deal with this form of insanity.

The form of insanity I'm talking about is Extreme Election Fraud Paranoia Syndrome, which is spread by a virus I call Trumpus Orangeanus. The syndrome is evidently endemic to swing states.

Nobody should have to deal with this in order to vote. Anyone who has to put up with it has my heartfelt sympathy.

[James48]

15. This insanity isn't limited to just red states.

There are whackos everywhere.

[llmart]

11. How is this not voter intimidation?

I suppose the Arizona cops just look the other way. I can't tell from this dark video where the drop box is though, and how close they are to it.

[BigmanPigman]

18. Fucking bastards!

I need to sing the song "I HATE REPUBLICANS" for the next 5 minutes to relieve my angst (with windows closed of course since my GOP neighbor said "Shut up, bitch" last time I sang it with the windows open).

[paleotn]

20. Don't get physical, fascist trash.

We can get physical too.

[Tetrachloride]

24. .. to protect against all enemies, foreign and domestic

touching the flag covering the license plate? i sure would not object to a close look. or just wait them out.

[calimary]

28. I wonder if we should start standing guard AT the drop boxes?

I'd actually be willing to take a shift. My work's done for the weekend.

[Septua]

32. I'd like to see a team of Democrats...

..set up a tent right beside the MAGA assholes and have a big sign that says "Voter Protection Squad".

[MarineCombatEngineer]

35. +100. nt

[cbabe]

39. Voter intimidation is a felony. Federal, not state, offense.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217277706

How to report voter intimidation.

FBI hotline.
Yes!

And if you see voter intimidation, which includes #MAGA supporters filming voters or standing around with guns in voting areas, including drop box places, report these crimes asap:

Call the FBI at: 1-800-CALL-FBI

Call the Election Protection Hotline at: 1-866-OUR-VOTE

Also call ACLU.

[pandr32]

42. Thank you

[aggiesal]

47. If anyone interferes with your ability to vote, do the following ...

[cbabe]

56. Thanks! Make this an op?

[bringthePaine]

41. last refuge of the DEGENERATE LOSERS - pay 'em no mind (they hate that too)

[IronLionZion]

45. Plenty of people have reported them to police

It really should be police dispersing them from the area since they are harassing voters. I wouldn't touch their stuff or get close to them.

[Iggo]

57. Some of those who work forces...(n/t)

[DemocraticPatriot]

60. They should be dealt with as you would deal with a rat.

This means what you think it means.

However, I didn't say it out loud...

[Emile]

66. Governor Doug Ducey must be weak on crime or he would have ordered the arrests

of these thugs!

[Emile]

71. Hiding their license plate number, lol.

[SYFROYH]

78. I suspect we'll see a lot of this as amateur activists collide

Hopefully no one gets hurt.

[SCantiGOP]

83. I'd like to report a crime!

>>She touched my flag that was covering my license plate.
Did she damage it?
>>No.
Did she steal it?
>>No.
So what was the crime?
>>She touched it.
We don’t have time for this. We’re actually real police, not militia wanna-be’s who call 9-1-1 because someone hurt their feelings.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

85. They didn't just touch it,

they physically removed it from the vehicle, but I think you're correct as far as the cops are concerned, and considering what those armed idiots were doing, I don't think they want the cops involved.

[XanaDUer2]

89. why are they allowed to do this? Nt

[RobinA]

96. I Don't Get

what they are trying to accomplish. I just walk up and put my FULLY DATED envelope in the box. They don't know how I'm voting. Or, for that matter, how many ballots I have in my hand. These people need a hobby.

[MrsCoffee]

100. They are hoping that some people will be intimidated into not walking up to the box.

Not stopping their cars. Not getting out.

Not voting.

[stopdiggin]

106. you're correct. And those of us that are saying

"doesn't intimidate me!" - are probably correct from our own (non marginal) perspectives. Hell, I'll invite those crackers to start some nonsense as I'm marching straight up to the box. On the other hand - it wouldn't take me but about five seconds to construct a scenario of someone who doesn't want the attention (or potential risk it might bring, be it to self or possibly others).

[Skittles]

113. where I live the cops would not put up with that shit for one second

seriously